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On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Sean Horton wrote:

quoted 1 line Can anyone out there recommend a good ripping program (WAV to MP3) for PC?

> Can anyone out there recommend a good ripping program (WAV to MP3) for PC?

I recommend EAC + LAME: EAC (Exact Audio Copy): http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ LAME: http://www.mp3dev.org/mp3/ Word of warning: EAC works *very well* when you can calibrate it to your CD-ROM model. If this can't be accomplished, you'll find yourself with the last second or two of the track being repeated in a skipping sort of fashion. cheers w --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

cdex. http://www.cdex.n3.net/ --- Sean Horton <sean_horton@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 13 lines Can anyone out there recommend a good ripping

> Can anyone out there recommend a good ripping > program (WAV to MP3) for PC? > > Thanks > > > > ^(|_|)^ > > > > >

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cdex isn't nearly as powerful as EAC and nowhere near as high a quality encoding out of the box as LAME here's all the info for cd ripping on the PC you'll need to know: http://mp3.radified.com for Linux gui, GRip: http://www.nostatic.org/grip/ -=dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon" <djresonance@yahoo.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [idm] Ripping question

quoted 43 lines cdex.

> cdex. > > http://www.cdex.n3.net/ > > --- Sean Horton <sean_horton@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Can anyone out there recommend a good ripping > > program (WAV to MP3) for PC? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > ^(|_|)^ > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months > > FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Perhaps, but for someone who doesn't want to have to read through long pages of instructions just to get things setup, cdex is the way to go. I've ripped a ton of cds with cdex and listening to them at 192kbs in my car stereo, I can't tell the difference between the cd and the mp3 90% of the time. --- SE/30 <grindingbassline@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 42 lines cdex isn't nearly as powerful as EAC and nowhere

> cdex isn't nearly as powerful as EAC and nowhere > near as high a quality encoding out of the box as > LAME > > here's all the info for cd ripping on the PC you'll > need to know: > > http://mp3.radified.com > > for Linux gui, GRip: > > http://www.nostatic.org/grip/ > > -=dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brandon" <djresonance@yahoo.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:36 PM > Subject: Re: [idm] Ripping question > > > > cdex. > > > > http://www.cdex.n3.net/ > > > > --- Sean Horton <sean_horton@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Can anyone out there recommend a good ripping > > > program (WAV to MP3) for PC? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > ^(|_|)^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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.....so what does it sound like the other 10% of the time? You shouldn't be able to tell the difference ever unless you have what I call 'gifted ears' :P I'd like to second the EAC recommendation as well. http://www.r3mix.net/ is a good resource for all things mp3 and definitely worth checking out.

quoted 95 lines Perhaps, but for someone who doesn't want to have to

>Perhaps, but for someone who doesn't want to have to >read through long pages of instructions just to get >things setup, cdex is the way to go. I've ripped a >ton of cds with cdex and listening to them at 192kbs >in my car stereo, I can't tell the difference between >the cd and the mp3 90% of the time. > > >--- SE/30 <grindingbassline@hotmail.com> wrote: >> cdex isn't nearly as powerful as EAC and nowhere >> near as high a quality encoding out of the box as >> LAME >> >> here's all the info for cd ripping on the PC you'll >> need to know: >> >> http://mp3.radified.com >> >> for Linux gui, GRip: >> >> http://www.nostatic.org/grip/ >> >> -=dave >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brandon" <djresonance@yahoo.com> >> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [idm] Ripping question >> >> >> > cdex. >> > >> > http://www.cdex.n3.net/ >> > >> > --- Sean Horton <sean_horton@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > > Can anyone out there recommend a good ripping >> > > program (WAV to MP3) for PC? >> > > >> > > Thanks >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ^(|_|)^ >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 >> months >> > > FREE* >> > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> > > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > > For additional commands, e-mail: >> > > idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >> > >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do you Yahoo!? >> > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, >> forms, and more >> > http://tax.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: >> idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > >> > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more >http://tax.yahoo.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Difference schmifference. I guess I live happily in my ignorant world where 192 kbs mp3s ripped in MusicMatch sound just as good as the CDs they come from. I want to run some pepsi/coke taste test shit on you audiophiles who can hear all those imperfections and mp3 artifacts. Are you all hypersensitive to all kinds of sound or just mp3? -Aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: Brandon <djresonance@yahoo.com> Date: Friday, April 4, 2003 1:26 pm Subject: Re: [idm] Ripping question

quoted 99 lines Perhaps, but for someone who doesn't want to have to

> Perhaps, but for someone who doesn't want to have to > read through long pages of instructions just to get > things setup, cdex is the way to go. I've ripped a > ton of cds with cdex and listening to them at 192kbs > in my car stereo, I can't tell the difference between > the cd and the mp3 90% of the time. > > > --- SE/30 <grindingbassline@hotmail.com> wrote: > > cdex isn't nearly as powerful as EAC and nowhere > > near as high a quality encoding out of the box as > > LAME > > > > here's all the info for cd ripping on the PC you'll > > need to know: > > > > http://mp3.radified.com > > > > for Linux gui, GRip: > > > > http://www.nostatic.org/grip/ > > > > -=dave > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brandon" <djresonance@yahoo.com> > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [idm] Ripping question > > > > > > > cdex. > > > > > > http://www.cdex.n3.net/ > > > > > > --- Sean Horton <sean_horton@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Can anyone out there recommend a good ripping > > > > program (WAV to MP3) for PC? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ^(|_|)^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 > > months > > > > FREE* > > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, > > forms, and more > > > http://tax.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax.yahoo.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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On Friday, April 4, 2003, at 01:45 PM, Aaron D Meyers wrote:

quoted 5 lines Difference schmifference. I guess I live happily in my ignorant world

> Difference schmifference. I guess I live happily in my ignorant world > where 192 kbs mp3s ripped in MusicMatch sound just as good as the CDs > they come from. I want to run some pepsi/coke taste test shit on you > audiophiles who can hear all those imperfections and mp3 artifacts. > Are you all hypersensitive to all kinds of sound or just mp3?

as one whose eardrums are badly damaged from loud music in many situations, i can honestly say this: if you cant hear the difference between an mp3 and anything else, you arent paying attention. mp3's, even 192k ones, sound hollow. now, if you're listening to an mp3 and a cd of a _different_track_ side by side, you might think "hey, there isnt any difference." if you listen to the same track on mp3, even 192k, you'll notice the difference without trying too hard. so, go on, try it. 128k - cd is even more obvious. some cd's could theoretically get away with it, as long as they dont have any high highs and low lows.. i guess lots of rock could fall into this area, but it'd still sound a wee bit flat. muck with your tone control on your car stereo much? yeah, mp3's are why. flat-line is where its at, unless your recording is shit. of course, if you're listening through sparkomatics, it'll all sound like ass anyway, and you should ignore this entire post. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I guess you ears aren't too badly damaged if you can hear a noticible difference between a *properly* ripped/encoded mp3 and a cd...

quoted 32 lines Difference schmifference. I guess I live happily in my ignorant world

>> Difference schmifference. I guess I live happily in my ignorant world >> where 192 kbs mp3s ripped in MusicMatch sound just as good as the CDs >> they come from. I want to run some pepsi/coke taste test shit on you >> audiophiles who can hear all those imperfections and mp3 artifacts. >> Are you all hypersensitive to all kinds of sound or just mp3? > >as one whose eardrums are badly damaged from loud music in many >situations, i can honestly say this: > >if you cant hear the difference between an mp3 and anything else, you >arent paying attention. > >mp3's, even 192k ones, sound hollow. now, if you're listening to an >mp3 and a cd of a _different_track_ side by side, you might think >"hey, there isnt any difference." if you listen to the same track on >mp3, even 192k, you'll notice the difference without trying too hard. >so, go on, try it. 128k - cd is even more obvious. > >some cd's could theoretically get away with it, as long as they dont >have any high highs and low lows.. i guess lots of rock could fall >into this area, but it'd still sound a wee bit flat. muck with your >tone control on your car stereo much? yeah, mp3's are why. flat-line >is where its at, unless your recording is shit. > >of course, if you're listening through sparkomatics, it'll all sound >like ass anyway, and you should ignore this entire post. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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On Friday, April 4, 2003, at 02:14 PM, Joe Peterson wrote:

quoted 3 lines I guess you ears aren't too badly damaged if you can hear a noticible

> I guess you ears aren't too badly damaged if you can hear a noticible > difference > between a *properly* ripped/encoded mp3 and a cd...

is this a flame? i cant tell. okay. you're an idm'er. dig through your cd's, find a song that has a wide range of sounds, from high end to low end. now, *properly* rip (what does that mean, anyway? like im going to magically tell the encoder to drop frequencies?) the track to mp3. avoid joint stereo, avoid variable bitrate. 192/44. get a pair of headphones. why headphones? because you can hear whats going on. listen to the cd. listen to the mp3. listen to the cd. listen to the mp3. unless your headphones are shit, your soundcard is shit, and you have everything pumped through a compressor or something, you should notice sounds in the cd that just arent there in the mp3. you'll notice more power in the high end sounds, and more in the low-end sounds. the midrange will have more color to it. if you STILL cant hear a difference.. well.. i feel for you, man. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

read me. http://www.r3mix.net/ --->quality, analysis, myths, critique. quite informative for anyone looking for real data about tests on various types of audio compression.

quoted 41 lines On Friday, April 4, 2003, at 02:14 PM, Joe Peterson wrote:

> >On Friday, April 4, 2003, at 02:14 PM, Joe Peterson wrote: > >> I guess you ears aren't too badly damaged if you can hear a noticible >> difference >> between a *properly* ripped/encoded mp3 and a cd... > >is this a flame? i cant tell. > >okay. you're an idm'er. dig through your cd's, find a song that has a >wide range of sounds, from high end to low end. > >now, *properly* rip (what does that mean, anyway? like im going to >magically tell the encoder to drop frequencies?) the track to mp3. >avoid joint stereo, avoid variable bitrate. 192/44. > >get a pair of headphones. why headphones? because you can hear whats >going on. > >listen to the cd. > >listen to the mp3. > >listen to the cd. > >listen to the mp3. > >unless your headphones are shit, your soundcard is shit, and you have >everything pumped through a compressor or something, you should notice >sounds in the cd that just arent there in the mp3. you'll notice more >power in the high end sounds, and more in the low-end sounds. the >midrange will have more color to it. > >if you STILL cant hear a difference.. well.. i feel for you, man. > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Joe Peterson wrote:

quoted 4 lines read me.

> read me. > http://www.r3mix.net/ --->quality, analysis, myths, critique. quite informative > for anyone looking for real data about tests on various types of audio > compression.

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I have said before but if you really want to put mp3s to the test then electronic music is the way to do it... I've not really tried some of the more aggresive stuff as I'm not that into it myself but I imagine it would really push what is possible... for the best quality mp3s using lame with --alt-preset standard (~200k/s VBR) --alt-preset extreme (~230k/s VBR) --alt-preset insane (320k CBR) These are the best that mp3 can do and should cope fairly well with everything.. For even better handling though try MPC.. its a much better quality codec than mp3 and has few samples that "break" it... its transparent to most people at ~190k/s ... this is true transparency... some of these arkward samples may be able to trouble the codec... if so and you can hear it being troubled then you could help the format by telling the developers which tracks struggle... giving blind tested results... MPC is much better than anything out there at the moment so if compressed music quality is your goal and you can't afford lossless (which is of course perfect) then try it out... www.hydrogenaudio.org is the best site for all of this stuff... Jim

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hypersensitivity and acute audible discernment are two completely different things. but if you're just listening in your car or on your computer... then yes, you may not notice a critical difference. if you listen on your home stereo setup (like say, a pair of Acoustat 2+2s with a Sunfire True MKII sub powered with a pair of Silver 7t amps) then you'll hear a huge difference. yes, mp3 sucks when compared to some more current lossy audio compression methods but we're stuck with it so you might as well use LAME to get everything you can out of it. and the EAC recommendation isn't because it has the ability to correct for read/write offset of cd burners (allowing you to make a truly exact copy), but because of it's ability to *correctly* read even horribly scratched CDs with minimal error. I once broke my only CD of a live performance I recorded IN HALF ! the original copy was lost due to a hard drive failure so i meticulously connected the two halves and let EAC loose on it. 38 HRS ( ! ! ! ) of ripping later, the resulting burned cd had perhaps only a dozen audible pops over the course of the entire CD. that is some relentlessly accurate ripping ! i only use MP3 for my iPod (can't hold enough straight WAV rips on my 5GB for my convenience)... and FLAC for archival. but any audiophile who's done direct comparison between 16/44 CDDA and SACD will tell you that ignorance is certainly not bliss. enjoy -=dave ps- and for the masses... in EAC : "Tools:Copy CD..." yeah, that's really tough :P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron D Meyers" <adm226@nyu.edu> To: "Brandon" <djresonance@yahoo.com> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [idm] Ripping question

quoted 1 line Difference schmifference. I guess I live happily in my ignorant world where 192 kbs mp3s r

> Difference schmifference. I guess I live happily in my ignorant world where 192 kbs mp3s ripped

in MusicMatch sound just as good as the CDs they come from. I want to run some pepsi/coke taste test shit on you audiophiles who can hear all those imperfections and mp3 artifacts. Are you all hypersensitive to all kinds of sound or just mp3?

quoted 114 lines -Aaron

> > -Aaron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brandon <djresonance@yahoo.com> > Date: Friday, April 4, 2003 1:26 pm > Subject: Re: [idm] Ripping question > > > Perhaps, but for someone who doesn't want to have to > > read through long pages of instructions just to get > > things setup, cdex is the way to go. I've ripped a > > ton of cds with cdex and listening to them at 192kbs > > in my car stereo, I can't tell the difference between > > the cd and the mp3 90% of the time. > > > > > > --- SE/30 <grindingbassline@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > cdex isn't nearly as powerful as EAC and nowhere > > > near as high a quality encoding out of the box as > > > LAME > > > > > > here's all the info for cd ripping on the PC you'll > > > need to know: > > > > > > http://mp3.radified.com > > > > > > for Linux gui, GRip: > > > > > > http://www.nostatic.org/grip/ > > > > > > -=dave > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Brandon" <djresonance@yahoo.com> > > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:36 PM > > > Subject: Re: [idm] Ripping question > > > > > > > > > > cdex. > > > > > > > > http://www.cdex.n3.net/ > > > > > > > > --- Sean Horton <sean_horton@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Can anyone out there recommend a good ripping > > > > > program (WAV to MP3) for PC? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ^(|_|)^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 > > > months > > > > > FREE* > > > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, > > > forms, and more > > > > http://tax.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > > http://tax.yahoo.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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i heard. you shouldn't have had all those prunes for breakfast... that was a wet one. -=dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Horton" <sean_horton@hotmail.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [idm] Ripping question

quoted 12 lines I farted

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Maybe this is a so called "self-fulfilling prophecy" ?

quoted 25 lines okay. you're an idm'er. dig through your cd's, find a song that has a

> >okay. you're an idm'er. dig through your cd's, find a song that has a > >wide range of sounds, from high end to low end. > > > >now, *properly* rip (what does that mean, anyway? like im going to > >magically tell the encoder to drop frequencies?) the track to mp3. > >avoid joint stereo, avoid variable bitrate. 192/44. > > > >get a pair of headphones. why headphones? because you can hear whats > >going on. > > > >listen to the cd. > > > >listen to the mp3. > > > >listen to the cd. > > > >listen to the mp3. > > > >unless your headphones are shit, your soundcard is shit, and you have > >everything pumped through a compressor or something, you should notice > >sounds in the cd that just arent there in the mp3. you'll notice more > >power in the high end sounds, and more in the low-end sounds. the > >midrange will have more color to it. > > > >if you STILL cant hear a difference.. well.. i feel for you, man.

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On Saturday, April 5, 2003, at 08:31 AM, Roman Sturm wrote:

quoted 1 line Maybe this is a so called "self-fulfilling prophecy" ?

> Maybe this is a so called "self-fulfilling prophecy" ?

in this thread, we have seen: opinions that state that mp3's suck. examples of how you can truly see how mp3's suck. technical information backing up that, yes, mp3's do suck. and a whole lot of people saying "i cant tell the difference" i shall now give real-world examples that you, YES YOU KIDS, can try at home! zero your eq's first. *avoiding rant stating the intent of musicians for you to listen to stuff as they mix them to begin with* --- autechre: cichli a) original cd all sounds are pretty equalized. no sound takes the foreground. its a general "wall of sound" thing. b) mp3 percussion definitely takes the foreground. the dootdootdoot synth piece sounds overcome by the percussion, and the airy background melody sounds muffled and far off. coil vs elph: philm #1 a) original cd nice low ends, rumbling droning thick bass, squealing high ends. b) mp3 note the distinct lack of bass depth, and a chop of the high-end spectrum. download: seven plagues a) original cd distinct clarity of sounds, no blending of tones b) mp3 lots and lots of muffling. the swish noise on every first and third beat starting around the beginning and continuing till about 1:12 sounds _completely_ different. every time a low end and high end sound are played at the same time, they blend causing weird intra-sound static. --- these were encoded at 192/44/stereo. they sound the same with itunes, mplayer, winamp, etc. now, encode some venetian snares at 128 and listen to the difference. its.. well.. pretty fucking drastic. no low end, tinny high end, and a rather am sounding midrange. dont get me wrong, mp3's are a neat portable music format. the only thing keeping me from getting an ipod or something is finances, and i burn cd's for myself when i go on road trips, but to say the sound quality is comparable is pretty silly. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 10:21 AM 4/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:

quoted 3 lines i shall now give real-world examples that you, YES YOU KIDS, can try at home!

>i shall now give real-world examples that you, YES YOU KIDS, can try at home! > >zero your eq's first.

chiastic slide is another good example. It's especially blatant in Tewe. derek ------- eggytoast.com - eggtastic.com ------- it's in your grocer's freezer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I was skeptical of MP3s for awhile too, although apparently MP3s recorded at 256+ kbps do not have a noticeable difference in sound than that of a CD. I'm drawing that conclusion from a recent study where a few hundred audiophiles were rounded up to see if they could "hear" the difference between CD and MP3. Indeed they could hear a difference...up until 256 kbps. After that they could not tell the difference between MP3 and CD. Currently I use CDex (CDex's default encoder is the Lame encoder). I record at 320 kbps, CBR, auto output samplerate, and very high quality (q=0). Slag Boom Van Loon's Sutjeda track sounds great in this format, as well as most of the other MP3s I have made from CD. The only time I hear a problem is when there is a problem with the disc surface...ie-scratches. My Sennheiser HD 570's don't reveal any problems with MP3s either. A good headphone amp (McCormack)makes these ear cans quite enjoyable. Of course there are audio formats like Super Audio CD (SACD) and DVD-Audio which are superior to both CDs and MP3s...but neither is a format for the masses yet.

quoted 3 lines --alt-preset standard (~200k/s VBR)

> --alt-preset standard (~200k/s VBR) > --alt-preset extreme (~230k/s VBR) > --alt-preset insane (320k CBR)

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