quoted 9 lines Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 20:52:49 -0800
> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 20:52:49 -0800
> To: <idm@hyperreal.org>
> From: "seeklektek" <eclectic@attbi.com>
> Subject: Re: [idm] RE:Genesis P Orridge, where is he now?
> Message-ID: <356d01c2e52e$92279880$875be40c@obelisk>
>
> From: <info@noiseloop.com>
>
> > Just to put the story straight on some of the misinfo flying around
here,
quoted 9 lines GPO did not have any influence on the acid house scene. He very publicly
> > GPO did not have any influence on the acid house scene. He very publicly
> > tried to jump the bandwagon a bit too late in the day and was extremely
> > unsuccessful.
>
> BULLSHIT on that! Time to seperate 'Signal' from 'Noiseloop'.
>
> Despite what else I may have offered in this thread, I *must* stand up
> for Gen here:
> PTV *more* than influenced the Acid House scene: they made *the* record
that kicked off the
quoted 1 line scene: "To All The Young People", with the Superman label (which pissed
> scene: "To All The Young People", with the Superman label (which pissed
off
quoted 4 lines DC comics).
> DC comics).
>
> Psychic TV were *very* much responsible for the start of Acid House in
> the UK *and* in the US.
The US scene was certainly not kicked off by GPO - that's probably the most
ridiculous thing I ever saw on the idmlist. Try telling that story to
Marshall Jefferson, Larry Heard, Todd Terry, Juan Atkins and many, many
others. The US media has a well-known history of supressing the influence of
black working-class music - please don't be taken in like that.
In the UK it was kicked off by Paul Oakenfold(!) at a club called The Future
in the suburbs of Streatham, followed by Danny Rampling's Shoom. Very soon
after there were a bunch of other nights like Spectrum and The Trip. There
was also one run by the guys from The Advent which I can't remember the name
of right now. This was all around 85-87. The press completely missed the
boat apart from one report in i-D mag which was pretty lame. At this time
GPO was involved in the industrial scene which was self-consciously
'avant-garde' and shocking - it was equal parts interesting and
cringe-inducing. Some of the industrial tunes _were_ big in house clubs -
e.g. Nitzer Ebb's 'Join in the chant' and Front 242's 'Flesh' (which was
later reinvented as a new beat anthem) - though nothing ever by ptv. Clearly
realising that something new was going on that he wasn't involved in, GPO
tried to insinuate himself into it. He might have carried it off if he
hadn't gone around making the absurd claims to the press that he had
invented it all. Everybody knew that the scene was made by the clubs and the
people - not some self-nominated 'inventor of acid house'. The audience for
even the earliest days of that scene was not arty avant-garde middle-class
kids but a very wide range of people who would not have previously been at
the same clubs together. The Residents 'Kaw Liga' was huge because it
sounded just right in that scene - not because it was by The Residents.
quoted 3 lines WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> 'Jack The Tab', the record referred to above, was made by folks ~not ~in
PTV,
quoted 3 lines along with Gen and PTVers: Richard Norris (Grid, Soft Cell)
> along with Gen and PTVers: Richard Norris (Grid, Soft Cell)
> had more to with the production of that record than did Gen. And
> Evil Eddie Richards was in on it, too, IIRC. It's a *fucking* great
record!!!
Yeah I heard some rumour that Richard Norris and Evil Eddie Richards made
that awful album for him and maybe there's a reason they didn't put their
names to it. I think you're probably the first to quote it as one of their
proudest moments. At the time record shops could sell just about anything
with an 'acid house remix' sticker on it but that one never seemed to leave
the shelves. I really tried to like it myself as I was very much into acid
and quite interested in ptv at the time but it was the most obvious cash-in
attempt I came across - it sounded totally fake to me. But each to his own,
I'm just giving you a perspective of someone who was around at the time.
quoted 2 lines Also I
> Also I
> > believe he is completely anti-drug so the jacking up in an alleyway
fears
quoted 7 lines are likely to be groundless.
> > are likely to be groundless.
>
> Anti-drug: HaHaHa!!!!!
>
> You "believe" but you do not *know*.
>
> Gen was ~totally~ down with the lysergics. 'Blue Pyramid' ;)
Well someone else on the list has also put me straight on this. Around 87-88
I was involved in a band project with a guitarist from ptv (not fred
gianelli). He wouldn't even let me smoke a spliff at his house. He told me
he got that from Gen and it was an essential part of ptv (and s+m)
philosophy not to deaden or alter the senses artificially with drugs - they
wanted to get closer to reality. So I guess it's no longer the case. A bit
depressing really, it's one thing I could respect him for.
quoted 4 lines I think it all became a bit marilyn manson for
> > I think it all became a bit marilyn manson for
> > the british.
>
> Irony???? Peter Christopherson directed Marilyn Manson videos. ;)
Gotta pay the bills somehow I suppose. You know they used to design album
covers for a living.
--
ed
http://www.noiseloop.com
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