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So there's been a lot of talk about the new dvd. But nobody has really commented on the music. How are the new tracks? Are they comparable to any of their past work? I hope they're not like anything from that miserable Confield album. Thanks.

when i get the dvd one way or another...the first i will do is to skip the 3 audio tracks and go straight to the vids. only the third track got maybe 3 min.of interest the rest is really just noise with a rythm ..just another tired release from ae. amber is still the best they ever done

quoted 10 lines Quoting "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@PremiereRadio.com>:

> Quoting "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@PremiereRadio.com>: > > > So there's been a lot of talk about the new dvd. But nobody has really > > commented on the music. > > > > How are the new tracks? Are they comparable to any of their past work? I > > hope they're not like anything from that miserable Confield album. > > > > Thanks. >

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Has anyone else picked up on how people how say Amber is their best usually fail to appreciate ae? I think these people are rather stubborn or uncurious or lacking in patience to listen to the later ae, which imo are always evolutions, and offer many more interesting things than in Amber. basically I think amber lovers are narrowminded. On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Peter Heide wrote:

quoted 27 lines when i get the dvd one way or another...the first i will do is to skip the 3 audio

> when i get the dvd one way or another...the first i will do is to skip the 3 audio > tracks and go straight to the vids. > > only the third track got maybe 3 min.of interest the rest is really just noise with a rythm > ..just another tired release from ae. > > amber is still the best they ever done > > > > > Quoting "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@PremiereRadio.com>: > > > > > So there's been a lot of talk about the new dvd. But nobody has really > > > commented on the music. > > > > > > How are the new tracks? Are they comparable to any of their past work? I > > > hope they're not like anything from that miserable Confield album. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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wouldnt it be more logical to assume that different people simply have different tastes? just because someone doesnt like 'new' autechre tracks doesnt mean that they narrowminded or deficient of hearing or something. they may just not be into it. it _is_ drastically different. On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 kingmob@nmt.edu wrote:

quoted 45 lines Has anyone else picked up on how people how say Amber is their best

> Has anyone else picked up on how people how say Amber is their best > usually fail to appreciate ae? I think these people are rather stubborn > or uncurious or lacking in patience to listen to the later ae, which imo > are always evolutions, and offer many more interesting things than in > Amber. basically I think amber lovers are narrowminded. > > > > On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Peter Heide wrote: > > > when i get the dvd one way or another...the first i will do is to skip the 3 audio > > tracks and go straight to the vids. > > > > only the third track got maybe 3 min.of interest the rest is really just noise with a rythm > > ..just another tired release from ae. > > > > amber is still the best they ever done > > > > > > > > > Quoting "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@PremiereRadio.com>: > > > > > > > So there's been a lot of talk about the new dvd. But nobody has really > > > > commented on the music. > > > > > > > > How are the new tracks? Are they comparable to any of their past work? I > > > > hope they're not like anything from that miserable Confield album. > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > Hooray for Pokey! > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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I'm thinking more along the lines of musical appreciation, not tastes. People will say that Amber is the best they've done and the rest aren't quality, and I think that is narrowminded. I realize that the Grapes of Wrath is a masterpiece but it is far from my favorite Steinbeck, its down there with Raise the Moon or whatever that propaganda piece he did for the government is called. On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Department of Coffee Procurement wrote:

quoted 62 lines wouldnt it be more logical to assume that different people simply have

> wouldnt it be more logical to assume that different people simply have > different tastes? just because someone doesnt like 'new' autechre tracks > doesnt mean that they narrowminded or deficient of hearing or something. > they may just not be into it. it _is_ drastically different. > > On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 kingmob@nmt.edu wrote: > > > Has anyone else picked up on how people how say Amber is their best > > usually fail to appreciate ae? I think these people are rather stubborn > > or uncurious or lacking in patience to listen to the later ae, which imo > > are always evolutions, and offer many more interesting things than in > > Amber. basically I think amber lovers are narrowminded. > > > > > > > > On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Peter Heide wrote: > > > > > when i get the dvd one way or another...the first i will do is to skip the 3 audio > > > tracks and go straight to the vids. > > > > > > only the third track got maybe 3 min.of interest the rest is really just noise with a rythm > > > ..just another tired release from ae. > > > > > > amber is still the best they ever done > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@PremiereRadio.com>: > > > > > > > > > So there's been a lot of talk about the new dvd. But nobody has really > > > > > commented on the music. > > > > > > > > > > How are the new tracks? Are they comparable to any of their past work? I > > > > > hope they're not like anything from that miserable Confield album. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > Hooray for Pokey! > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > -- > "The use of solar energy has not been opened up because the oil > industry does not own the sun." -Ralph Nader > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Here's a reply to the message "re: [idm] new autechre - amberlovers don't actually like the real ae it seems" written on Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:18:16 -0600 (MDT):

quoted 2 lines Has anyone else picked up on how people how say Amber is their best

>Has anyone else picked up on how people how say Amber is their best >usually fail to appreciate ae?

Not really. "Amber" is my favourite Autechre album, yet "Confield" is my second favourite and I really dig the stuff on "Gantz Graf". So, where do I sit on your sliding scale between narrow- and open-mindedness?

quoted 3 lines I think these people are rather stubborn or uncurious or lacking in

>I think these people are rather stubborn or uncurious or lacking in >patience to listen to the later ae, which imo are always evolutions, and >offer many more interesting things than in Amber.

Well, you're missing out a whole lot of other possibilities there. After the likes of their "Artificial Intelligence" tracks, "Incunabula" and "Anti", I was already hooked on their sound. "Amber" was a very highly-anticipated Warp release. It was very much a case of 'the right album at the right time'. Arriving in November 1994, its gloriously warm cover (fluffy pink sand dunes), silver typography and more melodic, spacious production values, contrasted nicely with the harsh English winter of that year. For me, "Amber" is just as important a part of Autechre's ever-evolving style as the likes of "Confield" or "Chiastic Slide". "Tri Repetae" built on "Amber" just as "Amber" built on "Incunabula". I can't really see what all the fuss is about.

quoted 1 line basically I think amber lovers are narrowminded.

>basically I think amber lovers are narrowminded.

And suggesting that all people who enjoy "Amber" are narrow-minded *isn't* a narrow-minded attitude? My own personal theory for why "Amber" remains largely overlooked is that most Autechre fans came on board when "Tri Repetae++" was released in the States (just my own personal observation based on postings in this list around that time). Those who enjoyed this went back to "Incunabula" and found a much raw version of the Autechre sound they loved, but when they tried out "Amber", it didn't quite seem to fit in with the others. Then again, some people just don't like it -- but that's as valid a reaction as liking it. And so what if someone who enjoys "Amber" doesn't enjoy "Confield"? That doesn't in any way diminish their ability to enjoy good music. On my CD player this week: Electric Birds - "Gradations" G-Man - "Avanti" Jello - "Voile" Yagya - "The Rhythm of Snow" -- Mark Stevens http://www.insertdisc.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 12:18 PM 7/23/2002 -0600, you wrote:

quoted 5 lines Has anyone else picked up on how people how say Amber is their best

>Has anyone else picked up on how people how say Amber is their best >usually fail to appreciate ae? I think these people are rather stubborn >or uncurious or lacking in patience to listen to the later ae, which imo >are always evolutions, and offer many more interesting things than in >Amber. basically I think amber lovers are narrowminded.

They're very different albums sonically and aesthetically, so it's not really surprising. Amber is very similar to older-school IDM, like much of the stuff on Warp at the time. B12, Nightmares on Wax, etc. I do think it is a little myopic why anyone would think that the next autechre releases would sound like anything they've done in the past -- the only reason to pick them up, as a fan, is to see where they're going in the future. And that's sort of a different approach to enjoying an artist. Lots of times people follow an artist because the output has a consistent sound, rather than a consistent techique or signature 'weirdness.' Plenty of people buy an artist's or band's new album because they want more of the same; they really like the sound they heard before. Sometimes it just isn't the case, and Autechre are a case in point -- their stuff has "evolved" on each album, taking bits from the previous and expanding on those, rather than taking new bits and combining them with old consistently. I'm not drawing a comparison to Autechre and The Beatles, but they have the same camps -- people who like early Beatles don't tend to like older Beatles, and vice versa. They're different styles and types of music. Of course the albums in the middle tend to bridge the gap, but there aren't a lot of fans who like everything. I don't think it's very productive for either side, however, to claim that an album is "crappy" or "miserable" without providing a reason (for others to make an educated decision on their own). That's just trolling. derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- with lather thingy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

There's no peace to be made between the Amber/Tri Repetae fans and Confield lovers. The only answer that remains is for both sides to murder each others' children, bomb buses, and constantly yammer about how they're right and the other side is being unreasonable. We want to see blood. I mean, it's really worth fighting over, you fanboy cocksuckers, I'm not kidding. I mean, it's a great verbal argument, too, but don't you see that after SEVENTEEN BILLION REPETITIONS OF THE SAME EPISODE, it's time to escalate? Take it to the next level, or 'evolve' or whatever. Tom P.S. I find it hard to believe that anybody was being RUDE and BRAYING LIKE A JACKASS at an Autechre concert. That's INCONCEIVABLE. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org