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i apparently missed this but there's a rumour going about that mr ken downie of the black dog fame recently went on a homophobic rant equating homosexuals to pedophiles, anyone have any more information on this? if true i feel like this needs to get discussed. Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings

No, but if true this will literally break my heart :( On 17:31, Tue, 22 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 10 lines i apparently missed this but there's a rumour going about that mr ken

> i apparently missed this but there's a rumour going about that mr ken > downie of the black dog fame recently went on a homophobic rant equating > homosexuals to pedophiles, anyone have any more information on this? > if true i feel like this needs to get discussed. > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > >

same here, i'd really like to make sure it actually happened before jumping to conclusions Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote:

quoted 14 lines No, but if true this will literally break my heart :(

> No, but if true this will literally break my heart :( > > On 17:31, Tue, 22 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> i apparently missed this but there's a rumour going about that mr ken >> downie of the black dog fame recently went on a homophobic rant equating >> homosexuals to pedophiles, anyone have any more information on this? >> if true i feel like this needs to get discussed. >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >> >>

Say it ain't so! On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote:

quoted 14 lines No, but if true this will literally break my heart :(

> No, but if true this will literally break my heart :( > > On 17:31, Tue, 22 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> i apparently missed this but there's a rumour going about that mr ken >> downie of the black dog fame recently went on a homophobic rant equating >> homosexuals to pedophiles, anyone have any more information on this? >> if true i feel like this needs to get discussed. >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >> >>

i dunno i can't believe it would be totally counter to everything he's said in the past Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Chris Bellevie <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 19 lines Say it ain't so!

> Say it ain't so! > > On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> No, but if true this will literally break my heart :( >> >> On 17:31, Tue, 22 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> i apparently missed this but there's a rumour going about that mr ken >>> downie of the black dog fame recently went on a homophobic rant equating >>> homosexuals to pedophiles, anyone have any more information on this? >>> if true i feel like this needs to get discussed. >>> >>> Clint Anderson >>> Systems Engineer >>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>> >>> >

if someone is trying to spread untrue rumors about ken to tank their album sales or something that's just messed up Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 32 lines i dunno i can't believe it

> i dunno i can't believe it > would be totally counter to everything he's said in the past > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > > > On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Chris Bellevie <c.bellevie@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Say it ain't so! >> >> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> No, but if true this will literally break my heart :( >>> >>> On 17:31, Tue, 22 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> i apparently missed this but there's a rumour going about that mr ken >>>> downie of the black dog fame recently went on a homophobic rant equating >>>> homosexuals to pedophiles, anyone have any more information on this? >>>> if true i feel like this needs to get discussed. >>>> >>>> Clint Anderson >>>> Systems Engineer >>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>> >>>> >> >

Indeed... On 17:52, Tue, 22 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 44 lines if someone is trying to spread untrue rumors about ken to tank their album

> if someone is trying to spread untrue rumors about ken to tank their album > sales or something that's just messed up > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > > > On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> i dunno i can't believe it >> would be totally counter to everything he's said in the past >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >> >> >> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Chris Bellevie <c.bellevie@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Say it ain't so! >>> >>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> No, but if true this will literally break my heart :( >>>> >>>> On 17:31, Tue, 22 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> i apparently missed this but there's a rumour going about that mr ken >>>>> downie of the black dog fame recently went on a homophobic rant equating >>>>> homosexuals to pedophiles, anyone have any more information on this? >>>>> if true i feel like this needs to get discussed. >>>>> >>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >

Where did you hear this? And to unintentionally sidetrack this, I'm curious, have the band ever commented on the level of input each has member has? Do they all work jointly, or is it more in the vein of BD of days gone by where individual's tracks were included? On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:51 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 44 lines if someone is trying to spread untrue rumors about ken to tank their album

> if someone is trying to spread untrue rumors about ken to tank their album > sales or something that's just messed up > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > > > On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> i dunno i can't believe it >> would be totally counter to everything he's said in the past >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >> >> >> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Chris Bellevie <c.bellevie@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Say it ain't so! >>> >>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> No, but if true this will literally break my heart :( >>>> >>>> On 17:31, Tue, 22 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> i apparently missed this but there's a rumour going about that mr ken >>>>> downie of the black dog fame recently went on a homophobic rant equating >>>>> homosexuals to pedophiles, anyone have any more information on this? >>>>> if true i feel like this needs to get discussed. >>>>> >>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >

Once again I'm kicking myself for not screenshotting it, someone had posted a message about getting the two new black dog albums today in World's Greatest Electronic Music Albums group iirc and on it a guy was saying "oh gee, i don't know, ken downie recently went off on a huge rant on facebook about homosexual men being pedophiles and a bunch of his pals jumped on the band wagon" now of course that FB post is deleted, there's nothing on the Black Dog group, and i'm not a facebook friend with Ken Downie i just sort of freaked out when i saw that because maybe i'm a little too personally invested in the black dog and it would really break my heart so, i just wanted to hear right away that it's all bullshit Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:54 AM, Chris Bellevie <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 56 lines Where did you hear this?

> Where did you hear this? > > And to unintentionally sidetrack this, I'm curious, have the band ever > commented on the level of input each has member has? Do they all work > jointly, or is it more in the vein of BD of days gone by where individual's > tracks were included? > > On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:51 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> if someone is trying to spread untrue rumors about ken to tank their >> album sales or something that's just messed up >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >> >> >> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> i dunno i can't believe it >>> would be totally counter to everything he's said in the past >>> >>> >>> Clint Anderson >>> Systems Engineer >>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Chris Bellevie <c.bellevie@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Say it ain't so! >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> No, but if true this will literally break my heart :( >>>>> >>>>> On 17:31, Tue, 22 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> i apparently missed this but there's a rumour going about that mr ken >>>>>> downie of the black dog fame recently went on a homophobic rant equating >>>>>> homosexuals to pedophiles, anyone have any more information on this? >>>>>> if true i feel like this needs to get discussed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

It was me that posted the message about wanting the new albums - I don't know the guy that responded that well, only from music via FB so can't vouch for the likelihood of authenticity unfortunately. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint Anderson" <clinta@gmail.com> To: "Chris Bellevie" <c.bellevie@gmail.com> Cc: "Ed Tyler" <hekula@googlemail.com>, "IDM" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, 22 May, 2018 17:57:51 Subject: Re: ken downie of the black dog -- homophobic rant? Once again I'm kicking myself for not screenshotting it, someone had posted a message about getting the two new black dog albums today in World's Greatest Electronic Music Albums group iirc and on it a guy was saying "oh gee, i don't know, ken downie recently went off on a huge rant on facebook about homosexual men being pedophiles and a bunch of his pals jumped on the band wagon" now of course that FB post is deleted, there's nothing on the Black Dog group, and i'm not a facebook friend with Ken Downie i just sort of freaked out when i saw that because maybe i'm a little too personally invested in the black dog and it would really break my heart so, i just wanted to hear right away that it's all bullshit Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:54 AM, Chris Bellevie <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 56 lines Where did you hear this?

> Where did you hear this? > > And to unintentionally sidetrack this, I'm curious, have the band ever > commented on the level of input each has member has? Do they all work > jointly, or is it more in the vein of BD of days gone by where individual's > tracks were included? > > On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:51 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> if someone is trying to spread untrue rumors about ken to tank their >> album sales or something that's just messed up >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >> >> >> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> i dunno i can't believe it >>> would be totally counter to everything he's said in the past >>> >>> >>> Clint Anderson >>> Systems Engineer >>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Chris Bellevie <c.bellevie@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Say it ain't so! >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> No, but if true this will literally break my heart :( >>>>> >>>>> On 17:31, Tue, 22 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> i apparently missed this but there's a rumour going about that mr ken >>>>>> downie of the black dog fame recently went on a homophobic rant equating >>>>>> homosexuals to pedophiles, anyone have any more information on this? >>>>>> if true i feel like this needs to get discussed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

That would freak me out too, just would never, ever expect that, although I guess that it's not anything I have ever actually seen him comment on at all in anyway. But BD is something personally really invested in (I actually still had and just handed down to my son the BD live cassette Ken sent me years ago that I dubbed for free for anyone on the list) On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 79 lines Once again I'm kicking myself for not screenshotting it, someone had

> Once again I'm kicking myself for not screenshotting it, someone had > posted a message about getting the two new black dog albums today in > World's Greatest Electronic Music Albums group iirc > and on it a guy was saying "oh gee, i don't know, ken downie recently went > off on a huge rant on facebook about homosexual men being pedophiles and a > bunch of his pals jumped on the band wagon" > now of course that FB post is deleted, there's nothing on the Black Dog > group, and i'm not a facebook friend with Ken Downie > i just sort of freaked out when i saw that because maybe i'm a little too > personally invested in the black dog and it would really break my heart so, > i just wanted to hear right away that it's all bullshit > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > > > On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:54 AM, Chris Bellevie <c.bellevie@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Where did you hear this? >> >> And to unintentionally sidetrack this, I'm curious, have the band ever >> commented on the level of input each has member has? Do they all work >> jointly, or is it more in the vein of BD of days gone by where individual's >> tracks were included? >> >> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:51 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> if someone is trying to spread untrue rumors about ken to tank their >>> album sales or something that's just messed up >>> >>> >>> Clint Anderson >>> Systems Engineer >>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> i dunno i can't believe it >>>> would be totally counter to everything he's said in the past >>>> >>>> >>>> Clint Anderson >>>> Systems Engineer >>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Chris Bellevie <c.bellevie@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Say it ain't so! >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> No, but if true this will literally break my heart :( >>>>>> >>>>>> On 17:31, Tue, 22 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> i apparently missed this but there's a rumour going about that mr >>>>>>> ken downie of the black dog fame recently went on a homophobic rant >>>>>>> equating homosexuals to pedophiles, anyone have any more information on >>>>>>> this? >>>>>>> if true i feel like this needs to get discussed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

Apparently it was on his Facebook profile, if anyone has him on their friends list then maybe it's still there? On 22 May 2018 18:08, "Chris Bellevie" <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 89 lines That would freak me out too, just would never, ever expect that, although

> That would freak me out too, just would never, ever expect that, although > I guess that it's not anything I have ever actually seen him comment on at > all in anyway. But BD is something personally really invested in (I > actually still had and just handed down to my son the BD live cassette Ken > sent me years ago that I dubbed for free for anyone on the list) > > On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Once again I'm kicking myself for not screenshotting it, someone had >> posted a message about getting the two new black dog albums today in >> World's Greatest Electronic Music Albums group iirc >> and on it a guy was saying "oh gee, i don't know, ken downie recently >> went off on a huge rant on facebook about homosexual men being pedophiles >> and a bunch of his pals jumped on the band wagon" >> now of course that FB post is deleted, there's nothing on the Black Dog >> group, and i'm not a facebook friend with Ken Downie >> i just sort of freaked out when i saw that because maybe i'm a little too >> personally invested in the black dog and it would really break my heart so, >> i just wanted to hear right away that it's all bullshit >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >> >> >> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:54 AM, Chris Bellevie <c.bellevie@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Where did you hear this? >>> >>> And to unintentionally sidetrack this, I'm curious, have the band ever >>> commented on the level of input each has member has? Do they all work >>> jointly, or is it more in the vein of BD of days gone by where individual's >>> tracks were included? >>> >>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:51 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> if someone is trying to spread untrue rumors about ken to tank their >>>> album sales or something that's just messed up >>>> >>>> >>>> Clint Anderson >>>> Systems Engineer >>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> i dunno i can't believe it >>>>> would be totally counter to everything he's said in the past >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Chris Bellevie <c.bellevie@gmail.com >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Say it ain't so! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> No, but if true this will literally break my heart :( >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 17:31, Tue, 22 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i apparently missed this but there's a rumour going about that mr >>>>>>>> ken downie of the black dog fame recently went on a homophobic rant >>>>>>>> equating homosexuals to pedophiles, anyone have any more information on >>>>>>>> this? >>>>>>>> if true i feel like this needs to get discussed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

anyways unless someone hears more about this ,please assume it's totally bullshit and false and my apologies for bringing it up in the first place Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 2:27 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 95 lines Apparently it was on his Facebook profile, if anyone has him on their

> Apparently it was on his Facebook profile, if anyone has him on their > friends list then maybe it's still there? > > On 22 May 2018 18:08, "Chris Bellevie" <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: > >> That would freak me out too, just would never, ever expect that, although >> I guess that it's not anything I have ever actually seen him comment on at >> all in anyway. But BD is something personally really invested in (I >> actually still had and just handed down to my son the BD live cassette Ken >> sent me years ago that I dubbed for free for anyone on the list) >> >> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Once again I'm kicking myself for not screenshotting it, someone had >>> posted a message about getting the two new black dog albums today in >>> World's Greatest Electronic Music Albums group iirc >>> and on it a guy was saying "oh gee, i don't know, ken downie recently >>> went off on a huge rant on facebook about homosexual men being pedophiles >>> and a bunch of his pals jumped on the band wagon" >>> now of course that FB post is deleted, there's nothing on the Black Dog >>> group, and i'm not a facebook friend with Ken Downie >>> i just sort of freaked out when i saw that because maybe i'm a little >>> too personally invested in the black dog and it would really break my heart >>> so, i just wanted to hear right away that it's all bullshit >>> >>> >>> Clint Anderson >>> Systems Engineer >>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:54 AM, Chris Bellevie <c.bellevie@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Where did you hear this? >>>> >>>> And to unintentionally sidetrack this, I'm curious, have the band ever >>>> commented on the level of input each has member has? Do they all work >>>> jointly, or is it more in the vein of BD of days gone by where individual's >>>> tracks were included? >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:51 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> if someone is trying to spread untrue rumors about ken to tank their >>>>> album sales or something that's just messed up >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> i dunno i can't believe it >>>>>> would be totally counter to everything he's said in the past >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Chris Bellevie < >>>>>> c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Say it ain't so! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No, but if true this will literally break my heart :( >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 17:31, Tue, 22 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i apparently missed this but there's a rumour going about that mr >>>>>>>>> ken downie of the black dog fame recently went on a homophobic rant >>>>>>>>> equating homosexuals to pedophiles, anyone have any more information on >>>>>>>>> this? >>>>>>>>> if true i feel like this needs to get discussed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>

Well as long as I stirred the shit I might as well follow through with the shit show. From one user: im getting oddness too, think someone may have deleted something?? but just to stop conspiricy stories, i happen to still have it in another tab. it was me, it was real, I cant tell you if its still there, because he blocked me, but go back to the 17 or 18/12/2017 and see if its still there. his exact comment was along the line of "Gay men are cancer for kids" i think, if i recall, it was all based on a case of an adopted child being killed by the adopted parent ? which descended into a new world order, trump love-in with a huge "all gay men are paedophiles and murder kids" twist. As a gay guy, i was quite open in arguing with him, he lost it, posted a load of stuff on my personal page (we were FB friends), then deleted it all and blocked me. i shoudl add, i wasnt intending to shit stir either, its water under the bridge, it was a comment on a FB friends post, which happened to be in this group, about the new BlackDog album, which i made the comment on, in passing. its not like ive got some axe to grind as such But, re:above, yes i can seperate artist from art,but when said artist has attacked you personally online, and it becomes personal, that does tend to colour your view. its not an abstract concept. I -am - a huge fan of the early black dog stuff, I bought it all , BYTES was my go to album for a good while, i loved that stuff, I still do, nothings changed there --- he deleted the lot. it certainly isn't me that's posting it to the IDM list, but at the same time, i'm not going to deny it happend, because it did i dont have grabs etc because he deleted the personal stuff he posted on my page (i woke up to a wodge of notifications of page posts) and blocked me. I do have the message i sent, to someone who knows him, who i dont want to involve in this, asking if they wanted to check on Ken, make sure he was ok, was this out of character etc, but i'm not about to share that and drag someone into year and a bit old drama! Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 6:21 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 109 lines anyways unless someone hears more about this ,please assume it's totally

> anyways unless someone hears more about this ,please assume it's totally > bullshit and false and my apologies for bringing it up in the first place > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > > > On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 2:27 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Apparently it was on his Facebook profile, if anyone has him on their >> friends list then maybe it's still there? >> >> On 22 May 2018 18:08, "Chris Bellevie" <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> That would freak me out too, just would never, ever expect that, >>> although I guess that it's not anything I have ever actually seen him >>> comment on at all in anyway. But BD is something personally really invested >>> in (I actually still had and just handed down to my son the BD live >>> cassette Ken sent me years ago that I dubbed for free for anyone on the >>> list) >>> >>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Once again I'm kicking myself for not screenshotting it, someone had >>>> posted a message about getting the two new black dog albums today in >>>> World's Greatest Electronic Music Albums group iirc >>>> and on it a guy was saying "oh gee, i don't know, ken downie recently >>>> went off on a huge rant on facebook about homosexual men being pedophiles >>>> and a bunch of his pals jumped on the band wagon" >>>> now of course that FB post is deleted, there's nothing on the Black Dog >>>> group, and i'm not a facebook friend with Ken Downie >>>> i just sort of freaked out when i saw that because maybe i'm a little >>>> too personally invested in the black dog and it would really break my heart >>>> so, i just wanted to hear right away that it's all bullshit >>>> >>>> >>>> Clint Anderson >>>> Systems Engineer >>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:54 AM, Chris Bellevie <c.bellevie@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Where did you hear this? >>>>> >>>>> And to unintentionally sidetrack this, I'm curious, have the band ever >>>>> commented on the level of input each has member has? Do they all work >>>>> jointly, or is it more in the vein of BD of days gone by where individual's >>>>> tracks were included? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:51 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> if someone is trying to spread untrue rumors about ken to tank their >>>>>> album sales or something that's just messed up >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> i dunno i can't believe it >>>>>>> would be totally counter to everything he's said in the past >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Chris Bellevie < >>>>>>> c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Say it ain't so! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No, but if true this will literally break my heart :( >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 17:31, Tue, 22 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> i apparently missed this but there's a rumour going about that mr >>>>>>>>>> ken downie of the black dog fame recently went on a homophobic rant >>>>>>>>>> equating homosexuals to pedophiles, anyone have any more information on >>>>>>>>>> this? >>>>>>>>>> if true i feel like this needs to get discussed. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >

Just listened through all of Black Daisy Wheel stream on Bandcamp and really like it quite a bit. It's really hard to separate the music from comments like that :( On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 8:01 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 172 lines Well as long as I stirred the shit I might as well follow through with the

> Well as long as I stirred the shit I might as well follow through with the > shit show. > > > > From one user: > im getting oddness too, think someone may have deleted something?? but > just to stop conspiricy stories, i happen to still have it in another tab. > > it was me, it was real, > > I cant tell you if its still there, because he blocked me, > but go back to the 17 or 18/12/2017 and see if its still there. > his exact comment was along the line of "Gay men are cancer for kids" > i think, if i recall, it was all based on a case of an adopted child being > killed by the adopted parent ? > > which descended into a new world order, trump love-in with a huge "all gay > men are paedophiles and murder kids" twist. > > As a gay guy, i was quite open in arguing with him, he lost it, posted a > load of stuff on my personal page (we were FB friends), then deleted it all > and blocked me. > > i shoudl add, i wasnt intending to shit stir either, its water under the > bridge, it was a comment on a FB friends post, which happened to be in this > group, about the new BlackDog album, which i made the comment on, in > passing. > > its not like ive got some axe to grind as such > > But, re:above, yes i can seperate artist from art,but when said artist has > attacked you personally online, and it becomes personal, that does tend to > colour your view. its not an abstract concept. > > I -am - a huge fan of the early black dog stuff, I bought it all , BYTES > was my go to album for a good while, i loved that stuff, I still do, > nothings changed there > --- > he deleted the lot. > it certainly isn't me that's posting it to the IDM list, but at the same > time, i'm not going to deny it happend, because it did > > i dont have grabs etc because he deleted the personal stuff he posted on > my page (i woke up to a wodge of notifications of page posts) and blocked > me. > > I do have the message i sent, to someone who knows him, who i dont want to > involve in this, asking if they wanted to check on Ken, make sure he was > ok, was this out of character etc, > but i'm not about to share that and drag someone into year and a bit old > drama! > > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > > > On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 6:21 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> anyways unless someone hears more about this ,please assume it's totally >> bullshit and false and my apologies for bringing it up in the first place >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >> >> >> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 2:27 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Apparently it was on his Facebook profile, if anyone has him on their >>> friends list then maybe it's still there? >>> >>> On 22 May 2018 18:08, "Chris Bellevie" <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> That would freak me out too, just would never, ever expect that, >>>> although I guess that it's not anything I have ever actually seen him >>>> comment on at all in anyway. But BD is something personally really invested >>>> in (I actually still had and just handed down to my son the BD live >>>> cassette Ken sent me years ago that I dubbed for free for anyone on the >>>> list) >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Once again I'm kicking myself for not screenshotting it, someone had >>>>> posted a message about getting the two new black dog albums today in >>>>> World's Greatest Electronic Music Albums group iirc >>>>> and on it a guy was saying "oh gee, i don't know, ken downie recently >>>>> went off on a huge rant on facebook about homosexual men being pedophiles >>>>> and a bunch of his pals jumped on the band wagon" >>>>> now of course that FB post is deleted, there's nothing on the Black >>>>> Dog group, and i'm not a facebook friend with Ken Downie >>>>> i just sort of freaked out when i saw that because maybe i'm a little >>>>> too personally invested in the black dog and it would really break my heart >>>>> so, i just wanted to hear right away that it's all bullshit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:54 AM, Chris Bellevie <c.bellevie@gmail.com >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Where did you hear this? >>>>>> >>>>>> And to unintentionally sidetrack this, I'm curious, have the band >>>>>> ever commented on the level of input each has member has? Do they all work >>>>>> jointly, or is it more in the vein of BD of days gone by where individual's >>>>>> tracks were included? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:51 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> if someone is trying to spread untrue rumors about ken to tank their >>>>>>> album sales or something that's just messed up >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i dunno i can't believe it >>>>>>>> would be totally counter to everything he's said in the past >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Chris Bellevie < >>>>>>>> c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Say it ain't so! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No, but if true this will literally break my heart :( >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 17:31, Tue, 22 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> i apparently missed this but there's a rumour going about that >>>>>>>>>>> mr ken downie of the black dog fame recently went on a homophobic rant >>>>>>>>>>> equating homosexuals to pedophiles, anyone have any more information on >>>>>>>>>>> this? >>>>>>>>>>> if true i feel like this needs to get discussed. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >

:-( Double mega fail! Thanks for the update, disappointing stuff there. On 18:13, Thu, 24 May 2018 Chris Bellevie, <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 179 lines Just listened through all of Black Daisy Wheel stream on Bandcamp and

> Just listened through all of Black Daisy Wheel stream on Bandcamp and > really like it quite a bit. It's really hard to separate the music from > comments like that :( > > On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 8:01 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Well as long as I stirred the shit I might as well follow through with >> the shit show. >> >> >> >> From one user: >> im getting oddness too, think someone may have deleted something?? but >> just to stop conspiricy stories, i happen to still have it in another tab. >> >> it was me, it was real, >> >> I cant tell you if its still there, because he blocked me, >> but go back to the 17 or 18/12/2017 and see if its still there. >> his exact comment was along the line of "Gay men are cancer for kids" >> i think, if i recall, it was all based on a case of an adopted child >> being killed by the adopted parent ? >> >> which descended into a new world order, trump love-in with a huge "all >> gay men are paedophiles and murder kids" twist. >> >> As a gay guy, i was quite open in arguing with him, he lost it, posted a >> load of stuff on my personal page (we were FB friends), then deleted it all >> and blocked me. >> >> i shoudl add, i wasnt intending to shit stir either, its water under the >> bridge, it was a comment on a FB friends post, which happened to be in this >> group, about the new BlackDog album, which i made the comment on, in >> passing. >> >> its not like ive got some axe to grind as such >> >> But, re:above, yes i can seperate artist from art,but when said artist >> has attacked you personally online, and it becomes personal, that does tend >> to colour your view. its not an abstract concept. >> >> I -am - a huge fan of the early black dog stuff, I bought it all , BYTES >> was my go to album for a good while, i loved that stuff, I still do, >> nothings changed there >> --- >> he deleted the lot. >> it certainly isn't me that's posting it to the IDM list, but at the same >> time, i'm not going to deny it happend, because it did >> >> i dont have grabs etc because he deleted the personal stuff he posted on >> my page (i woke up to a wodge of notifications of page posts) and blocked >> me. >> >> I do have the message i sent, to someone who knows him, who i dont want >> to involve in this, asking if they wanted to check on Ken, make sure he was >> ok, was this out of character etc, >> but i'm not about to share that and drag someone into year and a bit old >> drama! >> >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >> >> >> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 6:21 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> anyways unless someone hears more about this ,please assume it's totally >>> bullshit and false and my apologies for bringing it up in the first place >>> >>> >>> Clint Anderson >>> Systems Engineer >>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 2:27 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Apparently it was on his Facebook profile, if anyone has him on their >>>> friends list then maybe it's still there? >>>> >>>> On 22 May 2018 18:08, "Chris Bellevie" <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> That would freak me out too, just would never, ever expect that, >>>>> although I guess that it's not anything I have ever actually seen him >>>>> comment on at all in anyway. But BD is something personally really invested >>>>> in (I actually still had and just handed down to my son the BD live >>>>> cassette Ken sent me years ago that I dubbed for free for anyone on the >>>>> list) >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Once again I'm kicking myself for not screenshotting it, someone had >>>>>> posted a message about getting the two new black dog albums today in >>>>>> World's Greatest Electronic Music Albums group iirc >>>>>> and on it a guy was saying "oh gee, i don't know, ken downie recently >>>>>> went off on a huge rant on facebook about homosexual men being pedophiles >>>>>> and a bunch of his pals jumped on the band wagon" >>>>>> now of course that FB post is deleted, there's nothing on the Black >>>>>> Dog group, and i'm not a facebook friend with Ken Downie >>>>>> i just sort of freaked out when i saw that because maybe i'm a little >>>>>> too personally invested in the black dog and it would really break my heart >>>>>> so, i just wanted to hear right away that it's all bullshit >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:54 AM, Chris Bellevie < >>>>>> c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Where did you hear this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And to unintentionally sidetrack this, I'm curious, have the band >>>>>>> ever commented on the level of input each has member has? Do they all work >>>>>>> jointly, or is it more in the vein of BD of days gone by where individual's >>>>>>> tracks were included? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:51 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> if someone is trying to spread untrue rumors about ken to tank >>>>>>>> their album sales or something that's just messed up >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i dunno i can't believe it >>>>>>>>> would be totally counter to everything he's said in the past >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Chris Bellevie < >>>>>>>>> c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Say it ain't so! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> No, but if true this will literally break my heart :( >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 17:31, Tue, 22 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> i apparently missed this but there's a rumour going about that >>>>>>>>>>>> mr ken downie of the black dog fame recently went on a homophobic rant >>>>>>>>>>>> equating homosexuals to pedophiles, anyone have any more information on >>>>>>>>>>>> this? >>>>>>>>>>>> if true i feel like this needs to get discussed. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >

i wouldn't hold aphex or someone to any kind of political standard, but martin and richard made it clear many times that the black dog is a political animal now, with the titles of their albums and tracks, their blog and twitter posts, etc if you have a homophobic third member, you need to be open about that Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote:

quoted 185 lines :-( Double mega fail! Thanks for the update, disappointing stuff there.

> :-( Double mega fail! Thanks for the update, disappointing stuff there. > > On 18:13, Thu, 24 May 2018 Chris Bellevie, <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Just listened through all of Black Daisy Wheel stream on Bandcamp and >> really like it quite a bit. It's really hard to separate the music from >> comments like that :( >> >> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 8:01 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Well as long as I stirred the shit I might as well follow through with >>> the shit show. >>> >>> >>> >>> From one user: >>> im getting oddness too, think someone may have deleted something?? but >>> just to stop conspiricy stories, i happen to still have it in another tab. >>> >>> it was me, it was real, >>> >>> I cant tell you if its still there, because he blocked me, >>> but go back to the 17 or 18/12/2017 and see if its still there. >>> his exact comment was along the line of "Gay men are cancer for kids" >>> i think, if i recall, it was all based on a case of an adopted child >>> being killed by the adopted parent ? >>> >>> which descended into a new world order, trump love-in with a huge "all >>> gay men are paedophiles and murder kids" twist. >>> >>> As a gay guy, i was quite open in arguing with him, he lost it, posted a >>> load of stuff on my personal page (we were FB friends), then deleted it all >>> and blocked me. >>> >>> i shoudl add, i wasnt intending to shit stir either, its water under the >>> bridge, it was a comment on a FB friends post, which happened to be in this >>> group, about the new BlackDog album, which i made the comment on, in >>> passing. >>> >>> its not like ive got some axe to grind as such >>> >>> But, re:above, yes i can seperate artist from art,but when said artist >>> has attacked you personally online, and it becomes personal, that does tend >>> to colour your view. its not an abstract concept. >>> >>> I -am - a huge fan of the early black dog stuff, I bought it all , BYTES >>> was my go to album for a good while, i loved that stuff, I still do, >>> nothings changed there >>> --- >>> he deleted the lot. >>> it certainly isn't me that's posting it to the IDM list, but at the same >>> time, i'm not going to deny it happend, because it did >>> >>> i dont have grabs etc because he deleted the personal stuff he posted on >>> my page (i woke up to a wodge of notifications of page posts) and blocked >>> me. >>> >>> I do have the message i sent, to someone who knows him, who i dont want >>> to involve in this, asking if they wanted to check on Ken, make sure he was >>> ok, was this out of character etc, >>> but i'm not about to share that and drag someone into year and a bit old >>> drama! >>> >>> >>> >>> Clint Anderson >>> Systems Engineer >>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 6:21 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> anyways unless someone hears more about this ,please assume it's >>>> totally bullshit and false and my apologies for bringing it up in the first >>>> place >>>> >>>> >>>> Clint Anderson >>>> Systems Engineer >>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 2:27 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Apparently it was on his Facebook profile, if anyone has him on their >>>>> friends list then maybe it's still there? >>>>> >>>>> On 22 May 2018 18:08, "Chris Bellevie" <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That would freak me out too, just would never, ever expect that, >>>>>> although I guess that it's not anything I have ever actually seen him >>>>>> comment on at all in anyway. But BD is something personally really invested >>>>>> in (I actually still had and just handed down to my son the BD live >>>>>> cassette Ken sent me years ago that I dubbed for free for anyone on the >>>>>> list) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Once again I'm kicking myself for not screenshotting it, someone had >>>>>>> posted a message about getting the two new black dog albums today in >>>>>>> World's Greatest Electronic Music Albums group iirc >>>>>>> and on it a guy was saying "oh gee, i don't know, ken downie >>>>>>> recently went off on a huge rant on facebook about homosexual men being >>>>>>> pedophiles and a bunch of his pals jumped on the band wagon" >>>>>>> now of course that FB post is deleted, there's nothing on the Black >>>>>>> Dog group, and i'm not a facebook friend with Ken Downie >>>>>>> i just sort of freaked out when i saw that because maybe i'm a >>>>>>> little too personally invested in the black dog and it would really break >>>>>>> my heart so, i just wanted to hear right away that it's all bullshit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:54 AM, Chris Bellevie < >>>>>>> c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Where did you hear this? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And to unintentionally sidetrack this, I'm curious, have the band >>>>>>>> ever commented on the level of input each has member has? Do they all work >>>>>>>> jointly, or is it more in the vein of BD of days gone by where individual's >>>>>>>> tracks were included? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:51 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> if someone is trying to spread untrue rumors about ken to tank >>>>>>>>> their album sales or something that's just messed up >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> i dunno i can't believe it >>>>>>>>>> would be totally counter to everything he's said in the past >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Chris Bellevie < >>>>>>>>>> c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Say it ain't so! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com >>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> No, but if true this will literally break my heart :( >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 17:31, Tue, 22 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> i apparently missed this but there's a rumour going about that >>>>>>>>>>>>> mr ken downie of the black dog fame recently went on a homophobic rant >>>>>>>>>>>>> equating homosexuals to pedophiles, anyone have any more information on >>>>>>>>>>>>> this? >>>>>>>>>>>>> if true i feel like this needs to get discussed. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>

This, 100%. On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 11:04 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 202 lines i wouldn't hold aphex or someone to any kind of political standard, but

> i wouldn't hold aphex or someone to any kind of political standard, but > martin and richard made it clear many times that the black dog is a > political animal now, with the titles of their albums and tracks, their > blog and twitter posts, etc > if you have a homophobic third member, you need to be open about that > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > > > On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> :-( Double mega fail! Thanks for the update, disappointing stuff there. >> >> On 18:13, Thu, 24 May 2018 Chris Bellevie, <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Just listened through all of Black Daisy Wheel stream on Bandcamp and >>> really like it quite a bit. It's really hard to separate the music from >>> comments like that :( >>> >>> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 8:01 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Well as long as I stirred the shit I might as well follow through with >>>> the shit show. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From one user: >>>> im getting oddness too, think someone may have deleted something?? but >>>> just to stop conspiricy stories, i happen to still have it in another tab. >>>> >>>> it was me, it was real, >>>> >>>> I cant tell you if its still there, because he blocked me, >>>> but go back to the 17 or 18/12/2017 and see if its still there. >>>> his exact comment was along the line of "Gay men are cancer for kids" >>>> i think, if i recall, it was all based on a case of an adopted child >>>> being killed by the adopted parent ? >>>> >>>> which descended into a new world order, trump love-in with a huge "all >>>> gay men are paedophiles and murder kids" twist. >>>> >>>> As a gay guy, i was quite open in arguing with him, he lost it, posted >>>> a load of stuff on my personal page (we were FB friends), then deleted it >>>> all and blocked me. >>>> >>>> i shoudl add, i wasnt intending to shit stir either, its water under >>>> the bridge, it was a comment on a FB friends post, which happened to be in >>>> this group, about the new BlackDog album, which i made the comment on, in >>>> passing. >>>> >>>> its not like ive got some axe to grind as such >>>> >>>> But, re:above, yes i can seperate artist from art,but when said artist >>>> has attacked you personally online, and it becomes personal, that does tend >>>> to colour your view. its not an abstract concept. >>>> >>>> I -am - a huge fan of the early black dog stuff, I bought it all , >>>> BYTES was my go to album for a good while, i loved that stuff, I still do, >>>> nothings changed there >>>> --- >>>> he deleted the lot. >>>> it certainly isn't me that's posting it to the IDM list, but at the >>>> same time, i'm not going to deny it happend, because it did >>>> >>>> i dont have grabs etc because he deleted the personal stuff he posted >>>> on my page (i woke up to a wodge of notifications of page posts) and >>>> blocked me. >>>> >>>> I do have the message i sent, to someone who knows him, who i dont want >>>> to involve in this, asking if they wanted to check on Ken, make sure he was >>>> ok, was this out of character etc, >>>> but i'm not about to share that and drag someone into year and a bit >>>> old drama! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Clint Anderson >>>> Systems Engineer >>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 6:21 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> anyways unless someone hears more about this ,please assume it's >>>>> totally bullshit and false and my apologies for bringing it up in the first >>>>> place >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 2:27 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Apparently it was on his Facebook profile, if anyone has him on their >>>>>> friends list then maybe it's still there? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 22 May 2018 18:08, "Chris Bellevie" <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> That would freak me out too, just would never, ever expect that, >>>>>>> although I guess that it's not anything I have ever actually seen him >>>>>>> comment on at all in anyway. But BD is something personally really invested >>>>>>> in (I actually still had and just handed down to my son the BD live >>>>>>> cassette Ken sent me years ago that I dubbed for free for anyone on the >>>>>>> list) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Once again I'm kicking myself for not screenshotting it, someone >>>>>>>> had posted a message about getting the two new black dog albums today in >>>>>>>> World's Greatest Electronic Music Albums group iirc >>>>>>>> and on it a guy was saying "oh gee, i don't know, ken downie >>>>>>>> recently went off on a huge rant on facebook about homosexual men being >>>>>>>> pedophiles and a bunch of his pals jumped on the band wagon" >>>>>>>> now of course that FB post is deleted, there's nothing on the Black >>>>>>>> Dog group, and i'm not a facebook friend with Ken Downie >>>>>>>> i just sort of freaked out when i saw that because maybe i'm a >>>>>>>> little too personally invested in the black dog and it would really break >>>>>>>> my heart so, i just wanted to hear right away that it's all bullshit >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:54 AM, Chris Bellevie < >>>>>>>> c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Where did you hear this? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And to unintentionally sidetrack this, I'm curious, have the band >>>>>>>>> ever commented on the level of input each has member has? Do they all work >>>>>>>>> jointly, or is it more in the vein of BD of days gone by where individual's >>>>>>>>> tracks were included? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:51 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> if someone is trying to spread untrue rumors about ken to tank >>>>>>>>>> their album sales or something that's just messed up >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Clint Anderson < >>>>>>>>>> clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> i dunno i can't believe it >>>>>>>>>>> would be totally counter to everything he's said in the past >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Chris Bellevie < >>>>>>>>>>> c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Say it ain't so! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Ed Tyler < >>>>>>>>>>>> hekula@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> No, but if true this will literally break my heart :( >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17:31, Tue, 22 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> i apparently missed this but there's a rumour going about >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that mr ken downie of the black dog fame recently went on a homophobic rant >>>>>>>>>>>>>> equating homosexuals to pedophiles, anyone have any more information on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if true i feel like this needs to get discussed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >

Agreed. On 19:05, Thu, 24 May 2018 Chris Bellevie, <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 207 lines This, 100%.

> This, 100%. > > On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 11:04 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> i wouldn't hold aphex or someone to any kind of political standard, but >> martin and richard made it clear many times that the black dog is a >> political animal now, with the titles of their albums and tracks, their >> blog and twitter posts, etc >> if you have a homophobic third member, you need to be open about that >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >> >> >> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> :-( Double mega fail! Thanks for the update, disappointing stuff there. >>> >>> On 18:13, Thu, 24 May 2018 Chris Bellevie, <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Just listened through all of Black Daisy Wheel stream on Bandcamp and >>>> really like it quite a bit. It's really hard to separate the music from >>>> comments like that :( >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 8:01 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well as long as I stirred the shit I might as well follow through with >>>>> the shit show. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From one user: >>>>> im getting oddness too, think someone may have deleted something?? but >>>>> just to stop conspiricy stories, i happen to still have it in another tab. >>>>> >>>>> it was me, it was real, >>>>> >>>>> I cant tell you if its still there, because he blocked me, >>>>> but go back to the 17 or 18/12/2017 and see if its still there. >>>>> his exact comment was along the line of "Gay men are cancer for kids" >>>>> i think, if i recall, it was all based on a case of an adopted child >>>>> being killed by the adopted parent ? >>>>> >>>>> which descended into a new world order, trump love-in with a huge "all >>>>> gay men are paedophiles and murder kids" twist. >>>>> >>>>> As a gay guy, i was quite open in arguing with him, he lost it, posted >>>>> a load of stuff on my personal page (we were FB friends), then deleted it >>>>> all and blocked me. >>>>> >>>>> i shoudl add, i wasnt intending to shit stir either, its water under >>>>> the bridge, it was a comment on a FB friends post, which happened to be in >>>>> this group, about the new BlackDog album, which i made the comment on, in >>>>> passing. >>>>> >>>>> its not like ive got some axe to grind as such >>>>> >>>>> But, re:above, yes i can seperate artist from art,but when said artist >>>>> has attacked you personally online, and it becomes personal, that does tend >>>>> to colour your view. its not an abstract concept. >>>>> >>>>> I -am - a huge fan of the early black dog stuff, I bought it all , >>>>> BYTES was my go to album for a good while, i loved that stuff, I still do, >>>>> nothings changed there >>>>> --- >>>>> he deleted the lot. >>>>> it certainly isn't me that's posting it to the IDM list, but at the >>>>> same time, i'm not going to deny it happend, because it did >>>>> >>>>> i dont have grabs etc because he deleted the personal stuff he posted >>>>> on my page (i woke up to a wodge of notifications of page posts) and >>>>> blocked me. >>>>> >>>>> I do have the message i sent, to someone who knows him, who i dont >>>>> want to involve in this, asking if they wanted to check on Ken, make sure >>>>> he was ok, was this out of character etc, >>>>> but i'm not about to share that and drag someone into year and a bit >>>>> old drama! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 6:21 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> anyways unless someone hears more about this ,please assume it's >>>>>> totally bullshit and false and my apologies for bringing it up in the first >>>>>> place >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 2:27 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Apparently it was on his Facebook profile, if anyone has him on >>>>>>> their friends list then maybe it's still there? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 22 May 2018 18:08, "Chris Bellevie" <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That would freak me out too, just would never, ever expect that, >>>>>>>> although I guess that it's not anything I have ever actually seen him >>>>>>>> comment on at all in anyway. But BD is something personally really invested >>>>>>>> in (I actually still had and just handed down to my son the BD live >>>>>>>> cassette Ken sent me years ago that I dubbed for free for anyone on the >>>>>>>> list) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Once again I'm kicking myself for not screenshotting it, someone >>>>>>>>> had posted a message about getting the two new black dog albums today in >>>>>>>>> World's Greatest Electronic Music Albums group iirc >>>>>>>>> and on it a guy was saying "oh gee, i don't know, ken downie >>>>>>>>> recently went off on a huge rant on facebook about homosexual men being >>>>>>>>> pedophiles and a bunch of his pals jumped on the band wagon" >>>>>>>>> now of course that FB post is deleted, there's nothing on the >>>>>>>>> Black Dog group, and i'm not a facebook friend with Ken Downie >>>>>>>>> i just sort of freaked out when i saw that because maybe i'm a >>>>>>>>> little too personally invested in the black dog and it would really break >>>>>>>>> my heart so, i just wanted to hear right away that it's all bullshit >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:54 AM, Chris Bellevie < >>>>>>>>> c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Where did you hear this? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And to unintentionally sidetrack this, I'm curious, have the band >>>>>>>>>> ever commented on the level of input each has member has? Do they all work >>>>>>>>>> jointly, or is it more in the vein of BD of days gone by where individual's >>>>>>>>>> tracks were included? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:51 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> if someone is trying to spread untrue rumors about ken to tank >>>>>>>>>>> their album sales or something that's just messed up >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Clint Anderson < >>>>>>>>>>> clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> i dunno i can't believe it >>>>>>>>>>>> would be totally counter to everything he's said in the past >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Chris Bellevie < >>>>>>>>>>>> c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Say it ain't so! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Ed Tyler < >>>>>>>>>>>>> hekula@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, but if true this will literally break my heart :( >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17:31, Tue, 22 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i apparently missed this but there's a rumour going about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that mr ken downie of the black dog fame recently went on a homophobic rant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equating homosexuals to pedophiles, anyone have any more information on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if true i feel like this needs to get discussed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >

Not that he's exactly on most people's radar, but it's hard to imagine there would (apparently) not be any mention of it anywhere on the Internet.

quoted 10 lines i apparently missed this but there's a rumour going about that mr ken

> i apparently missed this but there's a rumour going about that mr ken > downie of the black dog fame recently went on a homophobic rant > equating homosexuals to pedophiles, anyone have any more information > on this? > if true i feel like this needs to get discussed. > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >

yeah i asked them on FB, the question was deleted immediately without response

I've just tweeted them to ask whether this is all a bad joke by someone... On 22:14, Thu, 24 May 2018 Chris Bellevie, <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 9 lines Ouch. :(

> Ouch. :( > > On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> yeah i asked them on FB, the question was deleted immediately without >> response >> >> >

"no idea what you are talking about." I've offered to forward this thread. On 22:21, Thu, 24 May 2018 Ed Tyler, <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote:

quoted 13 lines I've just tweeted them to ask whether this is all a bad joke by someone...

> I've just tweeted them to ask whether this is all a bad joke by someone... > > On 22:14, Thu, 24 May 2018 Chris Bellevie, <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Ouch. :( >> >> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> yeah i asked them on FB, the question was deleted immediately without >>> response >>> >>> >>

Sounds like they could care less? I'm pretty much done with this shit Talk about post truth On Thu, May 24, 2018, 4:31 PM Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote:

quoted 20 lines "no idea what you are talking about."

> "no idea what you are talking about." > > I've offered to forward this thread. > > On 22:21, Thu, 24 May 2018 Ed Tyler, <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> I've just tweeted them to ask whether this is all a bad joke by someone... >> >> On 22:14, Thu, 24 May 2018 Chris Bellevie, <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Ouch. :( >>> >>> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> yeah i asked them on FB, the question was deleted immediately without >>>> response >>>> >>>> >>>

Whoever deals with their Twitter then said they had just got home hence hadn't seen anything online. Chris mentioned the FB group posts to them to. I'm hoping a rebuttal/explanation might appear, guess we'll see... On 22:57, Thu, 24 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 28 lines Sounds like they could care less?

> Sounds like they could care less? > I'm pretty much done with this shit > Talk about post truth > > > On Thu, May 24, 2018, 4:31 PM Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> "no idea what you are talking about." >> >> I've offered to forward this thread. >> >> On 22:21, Thu, 24 May 2018 Ed Tyler, <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> I've just tweeted them to ask whether this is all a bad joke by >>> someone... >>> >>> On 22:14, Thu, 24 May 2018 Chris Bellevie, <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Ouch. :( >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> yeah i asked them on FB, the question was deleted immediately without >>>>> response >>>>> >>>>> >>>>

ok well from the dog itself The Black Dog <https://www.facebook.com/theblackdogma/?rc=p> Ken isn’t and never has been homophobic. that's more what i was hoping for Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote:

quoted 38 lines Whoever deals with their Twitter then said they had just got home hence

> Whoever deals with their Twitter then said they had just got home hence > hadn't seen anything online. > > Chris mentioned the FB group posts to them to. > > I'm hoping a rebuttal/explanation might appear, guess we'll see... > > On 22:57, Thu, 24 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sounds like they could care less? >> I'm pretty much done with this shit >> Talk about post truth >> >> >> On Thu, May 24, 2018, 4:31 PM Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> "no idea what you are talking about." >>> >>> I've offered to forward this thread. >>> >>> On 22:21, Thu, 24 May 2018 Ed Tyler, <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I've just tweeted them to ask whether this is all a bad joke by >>>> someone... >>>> >>>> On 22:14, Thu, 24 May 2018 Chris Bellevie, <c.bellevie@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ouch. :( >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> yeah i asked them on FB, the question was deleted immediately without >>>>>> response >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>

So you basically spent several days and posts detracting from the list by going on a witch hunt for nothing, hmmm? ________________________________ From: Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 5:25:16 PM To: Ed Tyler Cc: Chris Bellevie; Chris Taylor; Zombiefly; IDM Subject: Re: ken downie of the black dog -- homophobic rant? ok well from the dog itself The Black Dog<https://www.facebook.com/theblackdogma/?rc=p> Ken isn’t and never has been homophobic. that's more what i was hoping for Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com<mailto:hekula@googlemail.com>> wrote: Whoever deals with their Twitter then said they had just got home hence hadn't seen anything online. Chris mentioned the FB group posts to them to. I'm hoping a rebuttal/explanation might appear, guess we'll see... On 22:57, Thu, 24 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com<mailto:clinta@gmail.com>> wrote: Sounds like they could care less? I'm pretty much done with this shit Talk about post truth On Thu, May 24, 2018, 4:31 PM Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com<mailto:hekula@googlemail.com>> wrote: "no idea what you are talking about." I've offered to forward this thread. On 22:21, Thu, 24 May 2018 Ed Tyler, <hekula@googlemail.com<mailto:hekula@googlemail.com>> wrote: I've just tweeted them to ask whether this is all a bad joke by someone... On 22:14, Thu, 24 May 2018 Chris Bellevie, <c.bellevie@gmail.com<mailto:c.bellevie@gmail.com>> wrote: Ouch. :( On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com<mailto:clinta@gmail.com>> wrote: yeah i asked them on FB, the question was deleted immediately without response

apparently apologies i got triggered apologies to the guy who flipped out about beatwife too Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 6:36 PM, c. jones <coda27@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 62 lines So you basically spent several days and posts detracting from the list by

> So you basically spent several days and posts detracting from the list by > going on a witch hunt for nothing, hmmm? > ------------------------------ > *From:* Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2018 5:25:16 PM > *To:* Ed Tyler > *Cc:* Chris Bellevie; Chris Taylor; Zombiefly; IDM > *Subject:* Re: ken downie of the black dog -- homophobic rant? > > ok well > > from the dog itself > > The Black Dog <https://www.facebook.com/theblackdogma/?rc=p> Ken isn’t > and never has been homophobic. > > that's more what i was hoping for > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > > > On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Whoever deals with their Twitter then said they had just got home hence > hadn't seen anything online. > > Chris mentioned the FB group posts to them to. > > I'm hoping a rebuttal/explanation might appear, guess we'll see... > > On 22:57, Thu, 24 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > > Sounds like they could care less? > I'm pretty much done with this shit > Talk about post truth > > > On Thu, May 24, 2018, 4:31 PM Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote: > > "no idea what you are talking about." > > I've offered to forward this thread. > > On 22:21, Thu, 24 May 2018 Ed Tyler, <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote: > > I've just tweeted them to ask whether this is all a bad joke by someone... > > On 22:14, Thu, 24 May 2018 Chris Bellevie, <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ouch. :( > > On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > > yeah i asked them on FB, the question was deleted immediately without > response > > > >

depends who you believe.... On 25 May 2018 at 00:37, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 76 lines apparently

> apparently > apologies > i got triggered > apologies to the guy who flipped out about beatwife too > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > > > On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 6:36 PM, c. jones <coda27@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> So you basically spent several days and posts detracting from the list by >> going on a witch hunt for nothing, hmmm? >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2018 5:25:16 PM >> *To:* Ed Tyler >> *Cc:* Chris Bellevie; Chris Taylor; Zombiefly; IDM >> *Subject:* Re: ken downie of the black dog -- homophobic rant? >> >> ok well >> >> from the dog itself >> >> The Black Dog <https://www.facebook.com/theblackdogma/?rc=p> Ken isn’t >> and never has been homophobic. >> >> that's more what i was hoping for >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >> >> >> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> Whoever deals with their Twitter then said they had just got home hence >> hadn't seen anything online. >> >> Chris mentioned the FB group posts to them to. >> >> I'm hoping a rebuttal/explanation might appear, guess we'll see... >> >> On 22:57, Thu, 24 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Sounds like they could care less? >> I'm pretty much done with this shit >> Talk about post truth >> >> >> On Thu, May 24, 2018, 4:31 PM Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> "no idea what you are talking about." >> >> I've offered to forward this thread. >> >> On 22:21, Thu, 24 May 2018 Ed Tyler, <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> I've just tweeted them to ask whether this is all a bad joke by someone... >> >> On 22:14, Thu, 24 May 2018 Chris Bellevie, <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ouch. :( >> >> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> yeah i asked them on FB, the question was deleted immediately without >> response >> >> >> >> >

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we should always take the more famous person's word for it Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 6:38 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 89 lines depends who you believe....

> depends who you believe.... > > On 25 May 2018 at 00:37, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> apparently >> apologies >> i got triggered >> apologies to the guy who flipped out about beatwife too >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >> >> >> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 6:36 PM, c. jones <coda27@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> So you basically spent several days and posts detracting from the list >>> by going on a witch hunt for nothing, hmmm? >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2018 5:25:16 PM >>> *To:* Ed Tyler >>> *Cc:* Chris Bellevie; Chris Taylor; Zombiefly; IDM >>> *Subject:* Re: ken downie of the black dog -- homophobic rant? >>> >>> ok well >>> >>> from the dog itself >>> >>> The Black Dog <https://www.facebook.com/theblackdogma/?rc=p> Ken isn’t >>> and never has been homophobic. >>> >>> that's more what i was hoping for >>> >>> >>> Clint Anderson >>> Systems Engineer >>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Whoever deals with their Twitter then said they had just got home hence >>> hadn't seen anything online. >>> >>> Chris mentioned the FB group posts to them to. >>> >>> I'm hoping a rebuttal/explanation might appear, guess we'll see... >>> >>> On 22:57, Thu, 24 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Sounds like they could care less? >>> I'm pretty much done with this shit >>> Talk about post truth >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 24, 2018, 4:31 PM Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote: >>> >>> "no idea what you are talking about." >>> >>> I've offered to forward this thread. >>> >>> On 22:21, Thu, 24 May 2018 Ed Tyler, <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I've just tweeted them to ask whether this is all a bad joke by >>> someone... >>> >>> On 22:14, Thu, 24 May 2018 Chris Bellevie, <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Ouch. :( >>> >>> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> yeah i asked them on FB, the question was deleted immediately without >>> response >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > ---------------------------------------- > not sent from an iDevice > ---------------------------------------- >

Thanks Clint! On 25 May 2018 00:52, "Clint Anderson" <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: we should always take the more famous person's word for it Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 6:38 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 89 lines depends who you believe....

> depends who you believe.... > > On 25 May 2018 at 00:37, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> apparently >> apologies >> i got triggered >> apologies to the guy who flipped out about beatwife too >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >> >> >> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 6:36 PM, c. jones <coda27@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> So you basically spent several days and posts detracting from the list >>> by going on a witch hunt for nothing, hmmm? >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2018 5:25:16 PM >>> *To:* Ed Tyler >>> *Cc:* Chris Bellevie; Chris Taylor; Zombiefly; IDM >>> *Subject:* Re: ken downie of the black dog -- homophobic rant? >>> >>> ok well >>> >>> from the dog itself >>> >>> The Black Dog <https://www.facebook.com/theblackdogma/?rc=p> Ken isn’t >>> and never has been homophobic. >>> >>> that's more what i was hoping for >>> >>> >>> Clint Anderson >>> Systems Engineer >>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Whoever deals with their Twitter then said they had just got home hence >>> hadn't seen anything online. >>> >>> Chris mentioned the FB group posts to them to. >>> >>> I'm hoping a rebuttal/explanation might appear, guess we'll see... >>> >>> On 22:57, Thu, 24 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Sounds like they could care less? >>> I'm pretty much done with this shit >>> Talk about post truth >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 24, 2018, 4:31 PM Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote: >>> >>> "no idea what you are talking about." >>> >>> I've offered to forward this thread. >>> >>> On 22:21, Thu, 24 May 2018 Ed Tyler, <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I've just tweeted them to ask whether this is all a bad joke by >>> someone... >>> >>> On 22:14, Thu, 24 May 2018 Chris Bellevie, <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Ouch. :( >>> >>> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> yeah i asked them on FB, the question was deleted immediately without >>> response >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > ---------------------------------------- > not sent from an iDevice > ---------------------------------------- >

depends who you CHOOSE to believe^^ ________________________________ De : Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> Envoyé : vendredi 25 mai 2018 10:11 À : Clint Anderson Cc : Zombiefly; coda27@hotmail.com; Chris Bellevie; Chris Taylor; IDM Objet : Re: ken downie of the black dog -- homophobic rant? Thanks Clint! On 25 May 2018 00:52, "Clint Anderson" <clinta@gmail.com<mailto:clinta@gmail.com>> wrote: we should always take the more famous person's word for it Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 6:38 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com<mailto:zombiefly@gmail.com>> wrote: depends who you believe.... On 25 May 2018 at 00:37, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com<mailto:clinta@gmail.com>> wrote: apparently apologies i got triggered apologies to the guy who flipped out about beatwife too Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 6:36 PM, c. jones <coda27@hotmail.com<mailto:coda27@hotmail.com>> wrote: So you basically spent several days and posts detracting from the list by going on a witch hunt for nothing, hmmm? ________________________________ From: Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com<mailto:clinta@gmail.com>> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 5:25:16 PM To: Ed Tyler Cc: Chris Bellevie; Chris Taylor; Zombiefly; IDM Subject: Re: ken downie of the black dog -- homophobic rant? ok well from the dog itself The Black Dog<https://www.facebook.com/theblackdogma/?rc=p> Ken isn’t and never has been homophobic. that's more what i was hoping for Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com<mailto:hekula@googlemail.com>> wrote: Whoever deals with their Twitter then said they had just got home hence hadn't seen anything online. Chris mentioned the FB group posts to them to. I'm hoping a rebuttal/explanation might appear, guess we'll see... On 22:57, Thu, 24 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com<mailto:clinta@gmail.com>> wrote: Sounds like they could care less? I'm pretty much done with this shit Talk about post truth On Thu, May 24, 2018, 4:31 PM Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com<mailto:hekula@googlemail.com>> wrote: "no idea what you are talking about." I've offered to forward this thread. On 22:21, Thu, 24 May 2018 Ed Tyler, <hekula@googlemail.com<mailto:hekula@googlemail.com>> wrote: I've just tweeted them to ask whether this is all a bad joke by someone... On 22:14, Thu, 24 May 2018 Chris Bellevie, <c.bellevie@gmail.com<mailto:c.bellevie@gmail.com>> wrote: Ouch. :( On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com<mailto:clinta@gmail.com>> wrote: yeah i asked them on FB, the question was deleted immediately without response -- ---------------------------------------- not sent from an iDevice ----------------------------------------