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2002-01-22 01:27Nintari ManSorry if this is offtopic, but I just discovered this today, and it sounds really cool. --

From:: Nintari Man <nintarispam@nintari.com>
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Date:: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:27:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject:: [idm] Poss. OT: SHN Sound Format

Sorry if this is offtopic, but I just discovered this today, and it sounds really cool. --info-- Shorten (extension .shn) is an audio compression scheme written by Tony Robinson of SoftSound that can compact .wav files without subtracting out any frequencies. It's "lossless"- everything in the original .wav is there, so that full quality is maintained. For many traders of live music, Shorten files (SHNs) therefore have an undisputed advantage over "lossy" MP3-format files. A SHN file made from a WAV is quite a bit larger than the corresponding MP3, with a size perhaps ~50-60% of the orginal WAV. --info-- So, 148 minutes of lossless audio on a standard audio CD!? Sign me up! Why hasn't this caught on? Hardware manufacturers need to get with the program... Mmmm, this would also halve the size of my absurdly large sample archive. Check it: http://www.alumni.umbc.edu/~hamilton/shnfaq.html --- -- - Nintari Man --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2002-01-22 01:54EggyToastAt 08:27 PM 1/21/2002 -0500, Nintari Man wrote: >Sorry if this is offtopic, but I just dis

From:: EggyToast <youn0394@umn.edu>
To:: Nintari Man <nintarispam@nintari.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>, <microsound@hyperreal.org>, <IDM-Making@yahoogroups.com>, <matt@teamtechno.com>, <bill@teamtechno.com>
Date:: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:54:16 -0600
Subject:: Re: [idm] Poss. OT: SHN Sound Format

At 08:27 PM 1/21/2002 -0500, Nintari Man wrote:

quoted 19 lines Sorry if this is offtopic, but I just discovered this today, and it sounds

>Sorry if this is offtopic, but I just discovered this today, and it sounds >really cool. > >--info-- > >Shorten (extension .shn) is an audio compression scheme written by Tony >Robinson of SoftSound that can compact .wav files without subtracting out >any frequencies. It's "lossless"- everything in the original .wav is >there, so that full quality is maintained. For many traders of live music, >Shorten files (SHNs) therefore have an undisputed advantage over >"lossy" MP3-format files. A SHN file made from a WAV is quite a bit larger >than the corresponding MP3, with a size perhaps ~50-60% of the orginal >WAV. > >--info-- > >So, 148 minutes of lossless audio on a standard audio CD!? Sign me >up! Why hasn't this caught on? Hardware manufacturers need to get with the >program...

How would this fit onto a standard audio cd as it stands? Manufacturers would have to modify all of their current hardware in order to play the cd's (much like MP3 cds), making it a worse deal for the average consumer. Only elitist audiophiles (who already believe analog speakers present sound "accurately and without loss") would really worry about losing frequencies that they don't hear. That, and those people who are just anti-mp3 for the sake of being anti, much like people being anti-microsoft just cos it's 'cool' and 'linuxy'. derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2002-01-22 01:46Nintari ManAs it stands, no, it wouldn't work on existing CD players, obviously. ... But, major hardw

From:: Nintari Man <nintarispam@nintari.com>
To:: EggyToast <youn0394@umn.edu>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>, <microsound@hyperreal.org>, <IDM-Making@yahoogroups.com>
Date:: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:46:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Poss. OT: SHN Sound Format
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Poss. OT: SHN Sound Format

As it stands, no, it wouldn't work on existing CD players, obviously. ... But, major hardware manufacturers have been adding support for MP3 and WMA to CD and DVD players. Why not add support for a nice lossless format like this? On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, EggyToast wrote:

quoted 17 lines How would this fit onto a standard audio cd as it stands? Manufacturers

> How would this fit onto a standard audio cd as it stands? Manufacturers > would have to modify all of their current hardware in order to play the > cd's (much like MP3 cds), making it a worse deal for the average > consumer. Only elitist audiophiles (who already believe analog speakers > present sound "accurately and without loss") would really worry about > losing frequencies that they don't hear. > > That, and those people who are just anti-mp3 for the sake of being anti, > much like people being anti-microsoft just cos it's 'cool' and 'linuxy'. > > derek > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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