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>From: "rafeeq hasan" <rafeeqhasan@hotmail.com> >To: bakhtiar13@hotmail.com, teenbeat27@aol.com, >thestrongestmanalive@hotmail.com, dokeefe@wesleyan.edu, >gabrielcyr@hotmail.com, gfxmith@aol.com, harelshapira@hotmail.com, >hshapira@midway.uchicago.edu, johnpatrickleary@yahoo.com, >jpleary@midway.uchicago.edu, julietib@eden.rutgers.edu, >bakhtiar@midway.uchicago.edu, kimmer9123@aol.com, kacasady@uchicago.edu, >lindadaugustyn@avenew.com, m_waggaman@hotmail.com, src@uchicago.edu, >betasarah@yahoo.com, jonathancwu@hotmail.com >Subject: Fwd: Revenge Comes Home >Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 07:40:55 -0500 > > > >Revenge Comes Home > >By Sonia Shah > > > > >"What are you looking at, terrorist bitch?" > >So said a surly gentleman on a Manhattan-bound subway >to my sister, who violated the rules of >overcrowded-island etiquette by stealing a glance at >him as he discussed the pros and cons of prejudice. > >Ordinarily, racist slurs would make her angry. As it >was, having just watched stricken people jump from >burning towers to their certain deaths, her eyes >filled with tears and she hurried off the train. > >A few days later, some thugs visited my cousin's >convenience store/gas station, demanding "Where are >you people from?" and "Why don't you have a flag up?" >My cousin rushed out and bought two gigantic flags and >installed them prominently on his house and the store. > >At least five South Asian or Middle Eastern Americans >have been slain so far and dozens of incidents of >harassment, intimidation, and terror have been >reported, against Arab-Americans, Muslims, Sikhs, >Pakistanis, and other South and West Asians, according >to the Asian Pacific American Legal Center. In Mesa, >Arizona, a Sikh man was shot, the suspect shouting "I >stand for America all the way" as he was handcuffed. >In Los Angeles, an Egyptian American man was shot; a >Persian woman was beaten; a gun was shoved into >another woman's face; a Spanish-speaking woman was >attacked after being told "you foreigners caused all >this trouble!"; and another was attacked after being >told "America is only for white people." In San >Francisco, a bag of blood was thrown on the doorstep >of an immigrant-services center. In Chicago, 300 >people waving flags and shouting "USA! USA!" tried to >march into a mosque; a firebomb was tossed into an >Arab-American community center; and a Morrocan man was >attacked with a machete. In New York, two Pakistanis >were killed on Coney Island, a Sikh man was attacked >with a baseball bat; two others attacked with a >paint-ball gun; another was fired upon with rubber >bullets; a taxi driver was pulled out of his cab and >beaten; and a Pakistani woman was chased by a car, >whose driver threatened to kill her for "destroying my >country." In Cleveland, a Sikh temple was attacked >with lit bottles of gasoline. In Tulsa, a Pakistani >was beaten by three men. In Dallas, a Pakistani grocer >was shot dead; elsewhere in the state shots and >firebombs were lobbed at mosques, and a Molotov >cocktail was thrown at the Islamic Society building. > >There have been others. Most of those who suffer such >attacks won't report them. They'll just hide, lay low, >wear baseball caps or bindis, as the Indian >consul-general advised, and pray they won't be >targeted again. As word spreads, their friends and >families will do the same. Even my liberal family says >I shouldn't take my small boys to the anti-war >rallies, because they have brown skin, hair and eyes, >and even Muslim names. What if they are targeted? What >if someone throws a rock? > >Hate crimes hotlines have been set up, and I hope >anyone who witnesses or suffers harassment or violence >will use them, at least so this wave of violence can >be accurately recorded for posterity. For anti-Asian >violence organizations, calling these episodes of >domestic terror "hate crimes" is tragically >understated. For the news media and administration >officials, however, it is offensively, dangerously >hypocritical. These are not just isolated acts >committed by crazed individuals, driven mad by fear >and trauma. This wave of violence is a necessary >extension of today's warmongering patriotism as >defined by our political and media elites. > >"There is only one way to begin to deal with people >like this," said former Secretary of State Lawrence >Eagleburger on CNN, "and that is you have to kill some >of them even if they are not immediately directly >involved in this thing." "People like this need to >feel pain," said National Review editor Rich Lowry in >the Washington Post. "This is no time to be precious >about locating the exact individuals directly involved >in this particular terrorist attack," wrote syndicated >columnist Ann Coulter in the New York Daily News. > >In other words, indiscriminate revenge, whether on >millions of Afghans or against some random brown >person on the subway, is what flag-waving patriots >must do. "They" need to be punished, commentators say, >whoever "they" may be. On a recent episode of PBS's >Newshour with Jim Lehrer, even the learned >commentators couldn't or wouldn't distinguish between >Arabs, Muslims, Afghans (who are not Arabs), >fundamentalists, and terrorists. All were just simply >"they." > >It must be clear to most now. "We" are white. "They" >are brown. "They" celebrated--not only in Palestine, >as the news media would have us believe, but also in >Pakistan, in Nigeria, and elsewhere. This is taken as >evidence of their inhumanity. But of course when the >jocks in the sports bar in my old neighborhood cheered >when Scud missiles hit Iraq years ago, that was good >old red-blooded Americanism in action. "They" hate >"us" not because of our government's violence and >arrogance, but because?well, because "we" are so damn >great. Because we are so modern, so advanced, so free, >and so rich. > >How sad to have to say that all of this is nothing >compared to the carnage of the plane attacks, and will >be entirely insignificant compared to the massive, >sustained slaughter of innocent people that Bush is >threatening. Bush's tepid response to the wave of >anti-Asian violence at home was to say that the >perpetrators should be "ashamed" of themselves. >Ashamed? Like how you feel when you steal a cookie >from a baby? Like how you feel when you think you >might be reproached? Will Bush be "ashamed" when his >bombs kill, maim, and further impoverish desperate >men, women and children in South and West Asia? > >POLLS PAINT PUBLIC OPINION RED > >And who is this "we" who hate some unspecified, brown >"them" so much and are so willing to forego all the >rules and procedures usually insisted upon (for even >the most disgusting, murderous American thug) in order >to hunt "them" down and kill them?whoever "they" are? > >A spate of polls paid for and trumpeted by the >warmongering news media in the two weeks following the >September 11th attacks told us who. They are us. > >But these polls asked loaded questions to handfuls of >people who by any measure were still in shock. Their >"findings" intensified in each re-telling, as >reporters referred to them in their articles, >columnists referred to the articles, and letter >writers referred to the columnists. The sense of >widespread blood-thirst calcified into a basic truism >rationalizing the rush to war. > >Although most news reports on public support for war >simply cited "numerous polls" or some such, most >referred to the two ongoing, nationally representative >polling efforts on this topic--by CBS News/New York >Times and by Gallup/CNN/USA Today. Both circumscribed >and contained people's potential responses to paint a >portrait of a vengeful, angry America, one that will >support Bush's war in South Asia and not >coincidentally, sell a few newspapers too. > >Questions aren't neutral. Their timing and wording >reveal the questioners' expectations and assumptions. >Gallup's and CBS News's crude questions seem designed >to gauge the extent of U.S. rage and vengeance and >couldn't have captured a complex, nuanced perspective >even if they wanted to. > >For instance, on the dark evening of the attacks >themselves, CBS pollsters called 402 shell-shocked >people and asked them the following incendiary >questions. "Are these attacks another Pearl Harbor? >they wanted to know. "Should the U.S. retaliate even >if innocent people are killed?" About 6 in 10 said >yes, 2 said no, and 2 said?well whatever they said >went unrecorded. Then the interviewers went on to goad >people into apportioning blame--at least toward the >two immediate culprits they could think of. "Should >U.S. intelligence have known about the attacks?" they >asked. "Could the attacks have been prevented by >tighter airport security?" And then, click, interview >over. The "findings"--two-thirds of Americans want >retaliation even if innocents are killed, as they put >it--were trumpeted eagerly. "America Wants >Retaliation" their headline proclaimed. > >The next day, our intrepid pollsters bothered another >638 people. Do you feel bad? Do you feel angry? >Horrified? Or shocked? pollsters asked. Assuming each >respondent picked just one answer (a big assumption, >unilluminated by CBS's poll website), about 80 percent >felt one of those ways. > >So how did the other 20 percent feel? Nobody asked. >(How about scared? How about sad? That's how I felt.) > >About 25 percent said they were angry, and despite the >fact that pollsters had no idea how many people would >have said they were angry the previous day (it's >within the realm of possibility that some portion of >Americans are always angry)--CBS announced that >"Americans are no longer shocked, they're angry." >Seventy-one percent wanted retaliation, they found. > >Over the next two days--Thursday September 13 and >Friday September 14--our pollsters again took to the >phones. They demanded answers from 959 people. They >asked essentially the same questions, except this time >they added a new one. > >"Are Arab Americans more sympathetic to terrorists?" >they wanted to know. > >Twenty-seven percent said yes, CBS noted ominously. > >(But this is a meaningless question, by itself. Which >terrorists? Irish ones? Sympathetic how? Like they >know how to pronounce their names? Like they know >where they are coming from? Like they'd give them >loads of cash and their passport? What?) > >The Gallup Organization, "one of the world's leading >management consulting firms" according to their >website, in partnership with USA Today and CNN have >also been conducting ongoing much-cited national >polling. They asked much the same questions that CBS >did, with much the same results, but they also wanted >to know how many people attended memorial services, >cried, displayed a flag, or prayed in response to the >attacks. > >How many wrote letters to their editors? How many gave >flowers to their Muslim neighbors? How many attended >peace rallies? Gallup won't say. The unasked goes >unanswered. > >Since my whole argument here is that these polls are >worse than useless, it may not be fair to note one >underreported finding. When asked whether the U.S. >should act immediately against known terrorists or >only against those responsible, over sixty percent >said that only the proven perpetrators should be >targeted. > >Doesn't that just blow all the other findings about >wanting war, indiscriminate revenge, and all the rest >of it out of the water? > >Gallup's and CBS News' numbers frighten me. But I'm >going to try not to make much of them either way. As a >statistician friend of mine who used to work at Harris >Polls says, "polling companies burn through hundreds >if not thousands of phone numbers to get the sample >sizes they need. But there is probably good reason to >think people who refuse to participate, who aren't >home, who don't answer the phone, who don't have >phones would respond quite differently from those >people who do participate." > >"In other words the samples are not truly >representative of the American public," he says. > >That's good to hear. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! >Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com >

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quoted 4 lines was beaten by three men. In Dallas, a Pakistani grocer

> >was beaten by three men. In Dallas, a Pakistani grocer > >was shot dead; elsewhere in the state shots and > >firebombs were lobbed at mosques, and a Molotov > >cocktail was thrown at the Islamic Society building.

One of these incidents actually took place in Denton, my home of 21 years. People, let's try to keep it reasonable out there, okay? I'll do the best I can if you will too. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Welp, Now you international cats can really see what America is about....it's all theory and no practice! Yeah those damn G-boys came to our Masjid and we do security. Why did they send this pip-squeak? I should have took his Desert Eagle when he was lunching. Him and his buddy couldnt catch a common cold(dont worry Hime, only you'll see this....cuz I am kicked off the list from posting). Rest assured if you come my way with it, U'll be like swiss cheese my friend........:) ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Hime Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:44 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Fwd: Revenge Comes Home

quoted 4 lines was beaten by three men. In Dallas, a Pakistani grocer

> >was beaten by three men. In Dallas, a Pakistani grocer > >was shot dead; elsewhere in the state shots and > >firebombs were lobbed at mosques, and a Molotov > >cocktail was thrown at the Islamic Society building.

One of these incidents actually took place in Denton, my home of 21 years. People, let's try to keep it reasonable out there, okay? I'll do the best I can if you will too. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 09:37 PM 9/25/2001 -0500, Omar Hackett wrote:

quoted 14 lines Welp,

>Welp, > >Now you international cats can really see what >America is about....it's all theory and no practice! > >Yeah those damn G-boys came to our Masjid and we >do security. Why did they send this pip-squeak? >I should have took his Desert Eagle when he >was lunching. Him and his buddy couldnt catch >a common cold(dont worry Hime, only you'll see >this....cuz I am kicked off the list from posting). > >Rest assured if you come my way with it, U'll be >like swiss cheese my friend........:)

What the fuck does that blather mean? I'm not trying to retort or insult you, I'm just really curious about what the hell you think you're trying to say. ... baffled. - wells oliver [wells@submute.net] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

1st, I am very sorry list, he banned me from posting so I really didnt think this would hit the list, it did, and its my apology. All caps for seriousness: THIS WILL BE THE LAST POST THAT IS NOT MUSICALLY RELATED BY ME, TO THE LIST (that's my promise).....and I do apologize. Okay Wells, let me make for better english so you may know. Well, as you may know, the sharp rise in hate crimes is no coincidence. White cats have been destorying everything from Lives to property, unjustly but hey they dont see it that way! So, we do security for our Masjid here in Indy(Bishop, did you hear that Mr. X-marine, come my friend). Two feds show up and come harassing various Muslims. So they're waiting for some other guy to come out, by his car(we were trying to assist them)........The G-boys(FBI) is waiting for some time, but he basically falls to sleep cuz the guy goes right beside him and gets in his car(one of those simultaneous turning type of things). So the guy is sitting in his car warming it up, and the Fed is still lunching...he finally looks again, sees the guy and approaches him. I am 10ft away thinking, "why this pip-squeak ass g-boy with a plaid jacket(miss-matched to no end) is lunching serious and if he pulls out his iron(a Desert Eagle 40 caliber) I am taking that muthafucka!(just my thought, but the incident is real). I know they can use this email for evidence, but hey they could set me up for anything, so I am just sick in the head or I really dont fear em, personally, it both cuz I am very salty. Worst, a woman was attacked by 2 dudes, 2 other cats got jumped and beat badly, numerous kids have been beaten by other kids, save the African American kids, my Aunt has been harassed and she's African American, AND cuz my pops has always been radical, they, the G-boys decide to pay him a visit to his house. Now our people have had to endure this stuff for 200 years. The gaul they have to come to our doors questioning us! Harassing us, spying, trying to get snitches, letting the angry skinheads go on our women and children(and its much worse but I am winded from doing all this typing). Oh, and some cats from suburbia were headed to our Mosque to kill but the cops got there first and one cop died while these young kids sqooze away on AK-47s). Yep this is America alright. Now who is the terrorist? I am telling you I'd rather talk about this other people place tho......geez it's hot. The end.... Np) Midnight Rendevous, Other People Place ----- Original Message ----- From: wells Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 1:30 AM To: Omar Hackett; Andrew Hime; idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Fwd: Revenge Comes Home At 09:37 PM 9/25/2001 -0500, Omar Hackett wrote:

quoted 14 lines Welp,

>Welp, > >Now you international cats can really see what >America is about....it's all theory and no practice! > >Yeah those damn G-boys came to our Masjid and we >do security. Why did they send this pip-squeak? >I should have took his Desert Eagle when he >was lunching. Him and his buddy couldnt catch >a common cold(dont worry Hime, only you'll see >this....cuz I am kicked off the list from posting). > >Rest assured if you come my way with it, U'll be >like swiss cheese my friend........:)

What the fuck does that blather mean? I'm not trying to retort or insult you, I'm just really curious about what the hell you think you're trying to say. ... baffled. - wells oliver [wells@submute.net] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Omar Hackett wrote:

quoted 2 lines So, we do security for our Masjid here in Indy (Bishop,

>So, we do security for our Masjid here in Indy (Bishop, >did you hear that Mr. X-marine, come my friend).

---- Yeah, I am an ex-marine. So what?? Why don't you kiss my ass and leave me the hell outta your posts, or do you want to start that dumb-ass off-list flaming war again?? I'm not even part of the stupid thread that you are writing about. Why don't you stick to what you know...which isn't anything about me, to be sure. Sick of your posts, -somrux. (yes, somrux. my name is not bishop) ---- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 5 lines (dont worry Hime, only you'll see

> > (dont worry Hime, only you'll see > > this....cuz I am kicked off the list from posting). > > no, unfortunatly, that's not true, > were all reading this...

I managed to see it, but it was a quirk of luck - he's on my blocked senders list. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org