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2001-08-27 21:00zimbostyrofoam: it was the earth.. (off the point_misser) ..sounds like it samples dm's agent o

From:: zimbo <tofu@falco.kuci.uci.edu>
To:: idm <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:00:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: [idm] samplespotting.

styrofoam: it was the earth.. (off the point_misser) ..sounds like it samples dm's agent orange. (then again, last time i did this i pissed off a band, so maybe not hehe.. my ears might be broke) nice little album this is. chris. aim|cuddlenoise "I suggest you open your bible and let jesus be your party and heaven be your warehouse..." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-08-27 23:31logrey beamhas anyone else heard a blatant AE rippoff in one of fizzarum's tracks??? it's a snippet o

From:: logrey beam <logreybeam@yahoo.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:31:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: [idm] samplespotting.
Reply to:: [idm] samplespotting.

has anyone else heard a blatant AE rippoff in one of fizzarum's tracks??? it's a snippet of some noise between tracks on chaistic slide, that was made into some sort of rhythmic fill used twice(2 times) in this track im speaking of.. unfortunately, i have no idea the track name, the album name, or if it's even truly a fizzarum track:) but i heard it dammit, i swear i did.... _lgb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-08-28 03:04The soul that createsIm sure most of you are familiar with Frontline Assembly....and the side-projects. Bill an

From:: The soul that creates <themourn@yahoo.com>
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Date:: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:04:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: [idm] samplespotting. FLA
Reply to:: Re: [idm] samplespotting.

Im sure most of you are familiar with Frontline Assembly....and the side-projects. Bill and co. rip shit off from damn near everyone....I like to refer to Bill as the "Puff Daddy of 'Industrial' music"...well, now I suppose I'll have to say the "P. Diddy..." Anyways, I know its a tad off subject but...I have heard FLA rip form Aphex Twin, Future Sound Of London, Skinny Puppy, and if i dig out FLA cd's Im sure I could pick out more.... This brings up a question... How do you people personally feel about an artist sampling another artist for use in a song...not for any kind of cover, just stuff like ripping a sound break or a beat and making into a whole new song??? Would this lessen the repect you have for the artist or the song?? I know a similar topic was recently discussed, so please, dont jump on my ass....if you find this post "useless" or just plain stupid...dont waste your time replying. thx. xh --- logrey beam <logreybeam@yahoo.com> wrote:

quoted 19 lines has anyone else heard a blatant AE rippoff in one of

> has anyone else heard a blatant AE rippoff in one of > fizzarum's tracks??? it's a snippet of some noise > between tracks on chaistic slide, that was made into > some sort of rhythmic fill used twice(2 times) in > this > track im speaking of.. unfortunately, i have no idea > the track name, the album name, or if it's even > truly > a fizzarum track:) but i heard it dammit, i swear i > did.... > _lgb > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >

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2001-08-28 04:57SYLK130@aol.comIts a funny subject....some people do better versions than that of the original or bring a

From:: <SYLK130@aol.com>
To:: <themourn@yahoo.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 00:57:20 EDT
Subject:: Re: [idm] samplespotting. FLA

Its a funny subject....some people do better versions than that of the original or bring a new vibe to an already classic track......it also helps spread the music through generations/.....lots of kids now are trying to find out who did the original ........i think thats cool........but the whole blatan sample thing is interesting........either you will like it or not.......but to each his own....king --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-08-28 09:51Ebola 3sampling is great if done CREATIVELY. stealing a hook or looping another's break is weak s

From:: Ebola 3 <andylists@hotmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:51:49 +0000
Subject:: Re: [idm] samplespotting. FLA

sampling is great if done CREATIVELY. stealing a hook or looping another's break is weak sauce. Taking a noise, if using it in a different context, and especially if heavily affected, is okay. Ebola np: Skinny Puppy

quoted 73 lines From: The soul that creates <themourn@yahoo.com>

>From: The soul that creates <themourn@yahoo.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] samplespotting. FLA >Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:04:08 -0700 (PDT) > >Im sure most of you are familiar with Frontline >Assembly....and the side-projects. >Bill and co. rip shit off from damn near everyone....I >like to refer to Bill as the "Puff Daddy of >'Industrial' music"...well, now I suppose I'll have to >say the "P. Diddy..." >Anyways, I know its a tad off subject but...I have >heard FLA rip form Aphex Twin, Future Sound Of London, >Skinny Puppy, and if i dig out FLA cd's Im sure I >could pick out more.... > >This brings up a question... >How do you people personally feel about an artist >sampling another artist for use in a song...not for >any kind of cover, just stuff like ripping a sound >break or a beat and making into a whole new song??? >Would this lessen the repect you have for the artist >or the song?? > >I know a similar topic was recently discussed, so >please, dont jump on my ass....if you find this post >"useless" or just plain stupid...dont waste your time >replying. thx. > >xh >--- logrey beam <logreybeam@yahoo.com> wrote: > > has anyone else heard a blatant AE rippoff in one of > > fizzarum's tracks??? it's a snippet of some noise > > between tracks on chaistic slide, that was made into > > some sort of rhythmic fill used twice(2 times) in > > this > > track im speaking of.. unfortunately, i have no idea > > the track name, the album name, or if it's even > > truly > > a fizzarum track:) but i heard it dammit, i swear i > > did.... > > _lgb > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > > with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >===== >Kounterakt in constant evolution.http://www.kounterakt.cjb.net >("Industrial",Rock, Experimental, I.D.M., DnB hybrid craziness)Circle Of >Anxietyhttp://www.cofanx.cjb.net (should appeal to fans of all sorts of >I.D.M.) > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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2001-08-28 11:19Fabrice ALLARDHi !! I'm Fabrice, live in France (Paris) and I'm quite new on this list. I agree with you

From:: Fabrice ALLARD <fabrice.allard@etherreal.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:19:29 +0200
Subject:: Re: [idm] samplespotting. FLA

Hi !! I'm Fabrice, live in France (Paris) and I'm quite new on this list. I agree with your answer, but it makes me asking some questions. You talk in this thread about FLA. I don't really know this band even if a friend told me to listen to them. But one day I've heard Test Dept. and I've been very surprised to find this music very close from Autechre works. So what do you think of Test Dept. ? Is it known influence from Autechre ? Well, I'm fond of electronica and I like Fizzarum, Funkstorung even if they are copying on Autechre. In fact I don't really see a copy in their works. I wouldn't say that with Brothomstates Ep. where each track refer to an Autechre's track. I like this Ep, but I have some doubts about them... What else... I've seen Styrofoam live in Paris last Saturday and it was wonderfull !! :-) Fabrice A. http://www.etherreal.com (half of this name is a sample from hyperreal) -----Message d'origine----- De : SYLK130@aol.com <SYLK130@aol.com> À : themourn@yahoo.com <themourn@yahoo.com>; idm@hyperreal.org <idm@hyperreal.org> Date : mardi 28 août 2001 06:57 Objet : Re: [idm] samplespotting. FLA

quoted 3 lines Its a funny subject....some people do better versions than that of the

>Its a funny subject....some people do better versions than that of the >original or bring a new vibe to an already classic track......it also helps >spread the music through generations/.....lots of kids now are trying to

find

quoted 9 lines out who did the original ........i think thats cool........but the whole

>out who did the original ........i think thats cool........but the whole >blatan sample thing is interesting........either you will like it or >not.......but to each his own....king > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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2001-08-28 21:03The soul that createsTest Dep. have been around for a long time, and if I understand this correctly, you are wo

From:: The soul that creates <themourn@yahoo.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:03:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: [idm] samplespotting. FLA
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Test Dep. have been around for a long time, and if I understand this correctly, you are wondering if Test Dept. may have been influenced by AE....I dont think so, I wouldn't really even draw any direct connection. xh --- Fabrice ALLARD <fabrice.allard@etherreal.com> wrote:

quoted 69 lines Hi !!

> Hi !! > > I'm Fabrice, live in France (Paris) and I'm quite > new on this list. > I agree with your answer, but it makes me asking > some questions. > > You talk in this thread about FLA. I don't really > know this band even if a > friend told me to listen to them. > But one day I've heard Test Dept. and I've been very > surprised to find this > music very close from Autechre works. > > So what do you think of Test Dept. ? > Is it known influence from Autechre ? > > Well, I'm fond of electronica and I like Fizzarum, > Funkstorung even if they > are copying on Autechre. In fact I don't really see > a copy in their works. > I wouldn't say that with Brothomstates Ep. where > each track refer to an > Autechre's track. I like this Ep, but I have some > doubts about them... > > What else... I've seen Styrofoam live in Paris last > Saturday and it was > wonderfull !! :-) > > Fabrice A. > http://www.etherreal.com (half of this name is a > sample from hyperreal) > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : SYLK130@aol.com <SYLK130@aol.com> > ? : themourn@yahoo.com <themourn@yahoo.com>; > idm@hyperreal.org > <idm@hyperreal.org> > Date : mardi 28 ao?t 2001 06:57 > Objet : Re: [idm] samplespotting. FLA > > > >Its a funny subject....some people do better > versions than that of the > >original or bring a new vibe to an already classic > track......it also helps > >spread the music through generations/.....lots of > kids now are trying to > find > >out who did the original ........i think thats > cool........but the whole > >blatan sample thing is interesting........either > you will like it or > >not.......but to each his own....king > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > >

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2001-08-28 11:27Anig BrowlFrom: The soul that creates <themourn@yahoo.com> > How do you people personally feel about

From:: Anig Browl <anig_browl@yahoo.com>
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Date:: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:27:33 +0100
Subject:: Re: [idm] samplespotting. FLA

From: The soul that creates <themourn@yahoo.com>

quoted 6 lines How do you people personally feel about an artist

> How do you people personally feel about an artist > sampling another artist for use in a song...not for > any kind of cover, just stuff like ripping a sound > break or a beat and making into a whole new song??? > Would this lessen the repect you have for the artist > or the song??

I don't really like it. It can of course be very creative and there are a whole bunch of songs/tracks I've heard where this is used very effectively as a creative device, eg Old Blues Loop Over Breakbeat with Sensitive New Lyrics. And I like a lot of tracks where some identifiable sample is used as a stab/accent - like my treasured copy of Utah Saints' 'Something Good'. But a lot of the time it's just tired and says to me that the sampling artist just did a quick jam/rap/pro tools session over somebody else's proven hit. I particularly don't like it in electronic music, because if I hear the sample-based track I might think it was really cool, be interested in how the artist makes those interesting sounds, etc. etc. I'm always hugely disappointed if I later find that they came from another track/a sample CD. OK I am more of a sound designer than a muso, but I'd be totally embarrassed to use someone else's sounds. I guess I'm saying that samples can make a great garnish on a track, but artists should provide their own main course. The alternative is 'McDonalds music' - proven formula, tastes OK, but after a while you just consume it out of habit. Besides the direct sampling, I'm hearing more and more chart music which is just barely-legal ripping off of older tunes...oh well, you can't legislate good taste. Welcome to capitalism. Anig Browl _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-08-28 20:59The soul that createsIm with you on that... xh --- Anig Browl <anig_browl@yahoo.com> wrote: > From: The soul th

From:: The soul that creates <themourn@yahoo.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:59:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: [idm] samplespotting. FLA
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Im with you on that... xh --- Anig Browl <anig_browl@yahoo.com> wrote:

quoted 55 lines From: The soul that creates <themourn@yahoo.com>

> From: The soul that creates <themourn@yahoo.com> > > > How do you people personally feel about an artist > > sampling another artist for use in a song...not > for > > any kind of cover, just stuff like ripping a sound > > break or a beat and making into a whole new > song??? > > Would this lessen the repect you have for the > artist > > or the song?? > > I don't really like it. It can of course be very > creative and there are a > whole bunch of songs/tracks I've heard where this is > used very effectively > as a creative device, eg Old Blues Loop Over > Breakbeat with Sensitive New > Lyrics. And I like a lot of tracks where some > identifiable sample is used as > a stab/accent - like my treasured copy of Utah > Saints' 'Something Good'. But > a lot of the time it's just tired and says to me > that the sampling artist > just did a quick jam/rap/pro tools session over > somebody else's proven hit. > > I particularly don't like it in electronic music, > because if I hear the > sample-based track I might think it was really cool, > be interested in how > the artist makes those interesting sounds, etc. etc. > I'm always hugely > disappointed if I later find that they came from > another track/a sample CD. > OK I am more of a sound designer than a muso, but > I'd be totally embarrassed > to use someone else's sounds. > > I guess I'm saying that samples can make a great > garnish on a track, but > artists should provide their own main course. The > alternative is 'McDonalds > music' - proven formula, tastes OK, but after a > while you just consume it > out of habit. Besides the direct sampling, I'm > hearing more and more chart > music which is just barely-legal ripping off of > older tunes...oh well, you > can't legislate good taste. Welcome to capitalism. > > Anig Browl > > >

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