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2001-07-23 21:12Ray Lind (Cafe) RE: [idm] bounce from 313
2001-07-23 21:14Static Beats Re: [idm] bounce from 313
└─ 2001-07-23 21:27Kent williams Re: [idm] bounce from 313
2001-07-23 22:17Mxyzptlk [idm] bounce from 313
└─ 2001-07-23 21:21EggyToast Re: [idm] bounce from 313
2001-07-24 01:33Anig Browl Re: [idm] bounce from 313
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2001-07-23 21:12Ray Lind (Cafe)<<<snip>>> "or bursts of digital noise...extreme digital values...annoying noises in place
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<<<snip>>> "or bursts of digital noise...extreme digital values...annoying noises in place of music" even if this copy-protection scheme was adopted by the smaller labels, wouldn't the above simply enhance the overall musical content of many idm releases? would we even notice the difference? ;) ray
2001-07-23 21:14Static BeatsI was reading this on Slashdot last week. I know that one of the CD's is Snoop Dogg's late
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I was reading this on Slashdot last week. I know that one of the CD's is Snoop Dogg's latest. The title eludes me. I don't know if this will really affect the IDM community. I'm sure there are licensing feels involved with using Macrovision security. What with the margin of profit already being so slim I doubt a vast majority of underground labels are going to follow suit. Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com | Electronic Music For The Mind http://www.shimone.org | Pictures From The Soul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mxyzptlk" <jpklein@telocity.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Cc: <ambient@hyperreal.org>; "samba Marie's Litany" <dirtylist@lists.underworld.net> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 3:17 PM Subject: [idm] bounce from 313
quoted 3 lines > http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1094 > > Of note if you like to make cdrs.
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2001-07-23 21:27Kent williamsFrom the article: "TTR's patents reveal that in the SafeAudio system, "grossly erroneous v
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From the article: "TTR's patents reveal that in the SafeAudio system, "grossly erroneous values," or bursts of digital noise, are added to the signal, forcing a regular CD player, whose error correction can't usually handle such extreme digital hash, to cover the gaps of bad data with data from before and after where the distortion occurs." Heh. What would happen with an Oval or Pole CD? Not only that, this sort of thing would be easy to fix with Sound Forge. If it really is inaudible, then it's only triggering really short bursts of errors to trigger the interpolation algorithm in the CD player. Really short bursts of drastic noise are what Sound Forge kills best. I wouldn't worry too much about it. They'll only do it for the mass market releases. I doubt the piracy prevented would justify the license fees in runs under 10,000. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-23 22:17Mxyzptlkhttp://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1094 Of note if you like to make cdrs. -----------
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http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1094 Of note if you like to make cdrs. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-23 21:21EggyToastAt 05:17 PM 7/23/2001 -0500, you wrote: >http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1094 > >O
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At 05:17 PM 7/23/2001 -0500, you wrote:
quoted 3 lines >http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1094 > >Of note if you like to make cdrs.
Not to bash jeff, because that's the last thing i want to do, but this is actually somewhat old news. Macrovision is the wonderful company responsible for the "no-copy" aspect of many dvd players (they don't work if you plug them through a vcr... or a vcr/tv combo). They've since tried to get their grubby mitts on just about everything, including cds. from the link: "TTR's patents reveal that in the SafeAudio system, "grossly erroneous values," or bursts of digital noise, are added to the signal, forcing a regular CD player, whose error correction can't usually handle such extreme digital hash, to cover the gaps of bad data with data from before and after where the distortion occurs. But when copying the audio file to another device, like a PC's hard disc, the extreme digital values are said to overwhelm the computer's ability to transfer the data properly, leaving annoying noises in place of music." Of course, this only affects those who pop a cd in, hit "rip at 20x" and get a fast wav file. It doesn't stop anyone from actually just recording the thing as its' playing, or doing an analog copy (or 1x). Once again, the only people who can afford the process are those that lose the least money anyways. cheers, /derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- now on the interweb --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-24 01:33Anig BrowlThese digital music security things don't impress me very much. Dedicated copiers will get
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These digital music security things don't impress me very much. Dedicated copiers will get round it in software. Absolute worst case, you can just re-record the audio - with the quality of a/d/a converters these days it won't degrade much. Anig Browl _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org