Whoaaa.
I really apologize clicking that 'submit' button and sending off that really
pretentious statement into the vast and eclectic world of IDMers. My
sincerest apologies for the condescending remark about the indie rock scene.
Comes from somehow being a part of it for too long...
It's all good, everyone is cool in their own little ways. People are people
are people are people. All those imaginary categories they get shoved into
because of the way they dress or talk or smell are just that, imaginary.
Music has nothing to do with it, really.
No need to fret about stuff like that. There is way too much else going on
in this world to fight bloody wars about.
I think nice people are cool =)
peas,
Julia
quoted 120 lines From: Neil Wiernik <neil@techno.ca>
>From: Neil Wiernik <neil@techno.ca>
>To: Josh Bown <josh@undertone.com>
>CC: <idm@hyperreal.org>, <ulia5@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [idm] RE: What do you expect from IDM musicians on stage?
>Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:15:55 -0400 (EDT)
>
>On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Josh Bown wrote:
>
> > OK... I tried to resist... but here comes some sure-to-be flame bait.
> >
> > basically, neither the indie rock scene, nor the raver/IDM scene will
> > survive on their own. Both suck for various reasons including pacifers,
> > drug abuse, repetitive no-talent boring music and shows, baggie pants
> > arrogance, artsyness, mod-squad, cliquey crap fashion police etc....
>
>what kind of black hole are you living in?????
>Since when do IDm listeners wear baggy pants and sport the raver logo on
>thier foreheads??? Pacifiers are commonly found in the RAVE scen nothing
>to do with the IDM or mircosound worlds...
>drug abouse is all over the place just visit any large city....
>nothing is truly repetative but rahter all loops change sublty and its the
>ablity to have large listening ears is what your problem is....
>again baggy pant = ravers not some one whos interested in IDM
>arrogance is found in all part of western culture (in fact one might call
>you arrogant)...
>artsyness what is wrong with this I find creativty to be some thing that
>drives the world as we know it shall we all be couch potatoes???
>I dont know much about clique fashion police but this again is aproblem
>with our culture in the wester world as a whole I wouldnt say its a
>problem with youth subculture per say more a problem of over marketing
>products towards a particular group of people...
>
> >
> > We need to combine forces to create a new art form....
>
>speaking of arrogant statements... who are you arthur kroker??
>
> >
> > I am coming from the indie experimental rock side.
> >
>you would be surprzed how many of us have also!!!
>
> > You are coming from the raver side.
> >
>
>says who???? Ihave zero interest in raves!!!
>Last rave I went to was back in 98
>
> > We need your techno power, trance-induction psychic techniques of
> > synthesis.
> >
>
>drop the trance and add the electro and then your talking...
>oh and that whole psychic shit is bogus!!
>
>
> > You need our musical skills, integrity, cred, emotions and performance.
> >
>says who Im a trains composure in contemporary composition!
>
>
> > Together we can take over the music world!!!!
> >
>
>keep on dreaming...
>
> > kind of like voltron
> >
> > end rant... peace....
> >
>
>personally I would rather see full on bloddy war then whimpy peace and
>full and shit like that!!!
>
>
>Neil..
>
> >
> > > Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 14:47:37 -0700
> > > To: eamitch@learnlink.emory.edu
> > > From: "Julia Matusov" <ulia5@hotmail.com>
> > > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org
> > > Subject: Re: RE: [idm] What do you expect from IDM musicians on stage?
> > > Message-ID: <LAW2-F1370QUUBPcZi700000521@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > God, I never write so much to this list...i barely read it... but what
>the
> > > hell. Coldcut is fucking insane live. Both visually and musically. Its
>one
> > > big yummy treat. I went by myself in San Francisco and thought it was
>one of
> > > the best shows I've ever been to.
> > > I hear you, Erica, on the semi-baggy pants bit :) I hate feeling that
>super
> > > stiff arrogant artsy indie rock feel seeping its way into electronic
>shows.
> > > Thank god it ain't all like that.
> >
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