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RDJ will always be a single song composer. I love windowlicker and Nanou, but not that damn mathematical song. I love film, and other songs on come to daddy, but hate the rest. RDJ has never been able to create a flowing album, which I think was his downfall. I can listen to MHTRTC all the way through a million times and not skip one song, I can't listen to one aphex album straight through, except maybe SAWI or SAWII. He needs to stop doing this mixed up shit, of going from hardcorse, give me a headache music, to drum and bass, to classical music toned music. Just give it flow richard! Phabian Deatrich np: Mira Calix "sandsings" (remixed by Boards of Canada) p.s. Trent Reznor still sucks!!! (well....not old school NIN) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I like an album thats all over the place...fuck "flowing", that shit gets boring..I personally don't like SAW or SAWII, they bore me... besides...if you don't like it...don't listen to it. and don't diss it because you dont like it(who the fuck are you, the messiah?)...fuck, yer all acting like kids fighting over ice cream. peace: Sprek[1sk] At 05:09 PM 12/16/00 -0500, Colin Weiss wrote:

quoted 19 lines RDJ will always be a single song composer. I love windowlicker and Nanou,

>RDJ will always be a single song composer. I love windowlicker and Nanou, >but not that damn mathematical song. I love film, and other songs on come to >daddy, but hate the rest. RDJ has never been able to create a flowing album, >which I think was his downfall. I can listen to MHTRTC all the way through a >million times and not skip one song, I can't listen to one aphex album >straight through, except maybe SAWI or SAWII. He needs to stop doing this >mixed up shit, of going from hardcorse, give me a headache music, to drum >and bass, to classical music toned music. Just give it flow richard! > >Phabian Deatrich > >np: Mira Calix "sandsings" (remixed by Boards of Canada) > >p.s. Trent Reznor still sucks!!! (well....not old school NIN) > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I'll have to disagree on that one. I think that the Polygon Window and the RDJ albums have a great flow to them. Suprisingly, the Caustic Window disc also flows quite nicely considering it was a compilation of eps. Rob www.componentrecords.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Weiss <squarepusher@mediaone.net> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 5:09 PM Subject: [idm] windowlicker

quoted 20 lines RDJ will always be a single song composer. I love windowlicker and Nanou,

> RDJ will always be a single song composer. I love windowlicker and Nanou, > but not that damn mathematical song. I love film, and other songs on come to > daddy, but hate the rest. RDJ has never been able to create a flowing album, > which I think was his downfall. I can listen to MHTRTC all the way through a > million times and not skip one song, I can't listen to one aphex album > straight through, except maybe SAWI or SAWII. He needs to stop doing this > mixed up shit, of going from hardcorse, give me a headache music, to drum > and bass, to classical music toned music. Just give it flow richard! > > Phabian Deatrich > > np: Mira Calix "sandsings" (remixed by Boards of Canada) > > p.s. Trent Reznor still sucks!!! (well....not old school NIN) > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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i can't pick an aphex twin favorite. but windowlicker would have to be right up there. i also like the 'mike and rich' album. the ending piece is unreal. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line . Just give it flow richard!

>. Just give it flow richard!

i would like to think my own excursions at the process of "sound production" are not that completely different from that of the masters, albeit lacking talent, but im almost positive that they have enough trouble guessing where one track is going to end up, never mind an album. seems kind of demanding of us to expect it, christians dont even demand that much, and their hopes rest in the infalible(not opening a discussion on religion, no no no) to think that autechre knew exactly where the first track to chiastic slide was going, never mind the whole album, would scare the shit out of me. an idea, sure. this of course, as always, imo. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

UHHHH Whta about the RDJ album?!?!?!??! Why wont you fools listen before you type? Come to Daddy was one of the best IDM albums, moreover. SAWII wasnt thematic? Phabian, man, COME ON! If you dont think he flows you obviously have weird taste. Get drunk and listen to it or something, maybe then you'll hear it on 12/17/00 11:17 PM, idm-digest-help@hyperreal.org at idm-digest-help@hyperreal.org wrote:

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> --=====================_14272882==_.ALT > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > I like an album thats all over the place...fuck "flowing", that shit gets > boring..I personally don't like SAW or SAWII, they bore me... > besides...if you don't like it...don't listen to it. and don't diss it > because you dont like it(who the fuck are you, the messiah?)...fuck, yer > all acting like kids fighting over ice cream. > > peace: > Sprek[1sk] > > At 05:09 PM 12/16/00 -0500, Colin Weiss wrote: >> RDJ will always be a single song composer. I love windowlicker and Nanou, >> but not that damn mathematical song. I love film, and other songs on come to >> daddy, but hate the rest. RDJ has never been able to create a flowing album, >> which I think was his downfall. I can listen to MHTRTC all the way through a >> million times and not skip one song, I can't listen to one aphex album >> straight through, except maybe SAWI or SAWII. He needs to stop doing this >> mixed up shit, of going from hardcorse, give me a headache music, to drum >> and bass, to classical music toned music. Just give it flow richard! >> >> Phabian Deatrich >> >> np: Mira Calix "sandsings" (remixed by Boards of Canada) >> >> p.s. Trent Reznor still sucks!!! (well....not old school NIN) >> >>

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I think you're mistaking what someone replied to what I said than to what I actually said. I think SAWII has great flow, and even the RDJ album can be heard in sequential order. I was just saying in general that he doesn't have flow, and for me that's important. I know it's not to all of you. But I hate having a piece of vinyl spinning, then having to go over and flip it cause the last track on one side is piece of dump. I don't have to like all the songs, but they at least SHOULdn't annoy me. They should pass and I shouldn't notice how BAD the music is. Also, I enjoyed the other member who wrote about T. Reznor. He's totally right, all he did was copy ministry and try and associate with good electronic artists, b/c he knew they were dope shit, and he wasn't. Maybe it's just me, but i'm sick of this let's give them platinum status b/c they are innovative. Fuck that.....isn't it about the music. I always use autechre as an example. Incunabula (and even Amber) were amazing albums. There new stuff is still AMAZING (hey it's autechre here), but there new stuff shouldn't be considered better just b/c they achieve new effects no one can do on ep7. Ep7 was pretty good, but doesn't compare to incunabula. Same thing with trent......who cares if he is innovative, his shti is dump. And of course this always leads to kid 606, who has achieved fame by making the most staticy noises and brain bugging effects possible. Fotunately he keeps refining his skills, and is beginning to put out some really good stuff, but about 50% of his music hurts!!! (literally), but of course everyone applauds him b/c no one can make those sounds like he does. There is a difference between pure noise and insanity, and ordered noise and insanity (hrvatski for example). What is it we love about this music? is it the innovation? The genius? or the damn music? I love all the aspects, but when it comes down to it, i'm going to pop in some lexaunculpt over some rdj anyday, b/c andy has fluidity, rhythm, and creates PERFECTION, whereas rdj creates amazing songs, and songs i would play to torture people. If you want innovation, listen to some Lexaunculpt, Takemura, Hrvatski, Metamatics, or Funkstorung. All those artists have sounds only unique to who THEY are. They are innovative since no one can compare to what they do. BUT, they know that in that innovation, they gotta produce good music as well. peace, phabian deatrich np: Metamatics "Spook Tinsel Shoal" - Lee Norris is amazing. This album isn't as good as NeoOuijia, but it's damn good. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:05:27 -0600 To: <idm@hyperreal.org> From: Ian Pojman <ipojman@jmlafferty.com> Subject: Re: windowlicker Message-ID: <B66383D7.22B%ipojman@jmlafferty.com> UHHHH Whta about the RDJ album?!?!?!??! Why wont you fools listen before you type? Come to Daddy was one of the best IDM albums, moreover. SAWII wasnt thematic? Phabian, man, COME ON! If you dont think he flows you obviously have weird taste. Get drunk and listen to it or something, maybe then you'll hear it

In a message dated 12/18/00 1:39:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, woolydogeater@hotmail.com writes: << i would like to think my own excursions at the process of "sound production" are not that completely different from that of the masters, albeit lacking talent, but im almost positive that they have enough trouble guessing where one track is going to end up, never mind an album. seems kind of demanding of us to expect it, christians dont even demand that much, and their hopes rest in the infalible(not opening a discussion on religion, no no no) to think that autechre knew exactly where the first track to chiastic slide was going, never mind the whole album, would scare the shit out of me. an idea, sure. this of course, as always, imo. >> They probably compose the album from start to end and make the songs flow together as they go, they don't plan out each song before hand. What were you saying about christianity? If I understand, you were saying that they expect you to flow as an album? I would think that was more a communistic thought, but then again I like communism, and I am a buddhist, which tells you that it is easy to flow as an album through time and space with positive energy emminating from you. (those darn religions that were made by the devil to try and distract your beliefs from that of an empirical person's nightmare....) IMHO of course MÅ-Nick___|[www.manicdetroit.com][www.8bitpeoples.com]| __________|[www.mp3.com/manicdetroit]|-------111.41/110-pi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines UHHHH

> UHHHH > Whta about the RDJ album?!?!?!??! Why wont you fools listen before you

type?

quoted 4 lines Come to Daddy was one of the best IDM albums, moreover.

> > Come to Daddy was one of the best IDM albums, moreover. > > SAWII wasnt thematic? Phabian, man, COME ON! If you dont think he

flows you

quoted 1 line obviously have weird taste. Get drunk and listen to it or something,

> obviously have weird taste. Get drunk and listen to it or something,

maybe

quoted 1 line then you'll hear it

> then you'll hear it

please be quiet. how can someone possibly keep a thread of personal taste going for so long. come to daddy, with the exception of iz-us, sucked. but who gives a fuck? that's my opinion and you have your's so stop trying to assault people based on their taste preference. shaun --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

on 12/18/00 4:09 PM, {{{5x}}} at 5tx@home.com wrote:

quoted 18 lines UHHHH

>> UHHHH >> Whta about the RDJ album?!?!?!??! Why wont you fools listen before you > type? >> >> Come to Daddy was one of the best IDM albums, moreover. >> >> SAWII wasnt thematic? Phabian, man, COME ON! If you dont think he > flows you >> obviously have weird taste. Get drunk and listen to it or something, > maybe >> then you'll hear it > > please be quiet. how can someone possibly keep a thread of personal > taste going for so long. come to daddy, with the exception of iz-us, > sucked. but who gives a fuck? that's my opinion and you have your's so > stop trying to assault people based on their taste preference. > > shaun

Anyone with a brain will come to realize tha the RDJ album is thematically mellifluous. This dude thinks Flim sucks.hahah. delphi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

In a message dated 12/18/00 10:31:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, squarepusher@mediaone.net writes:

quoted 22 lines Also, I enjoyed the other member who wrote about T. Reznor. He's totally

> Also, I enjoyed the other member who wrote about T. Reznor. He's totally > right, all he did was copy ministry and try and associate with good > electronic artists, b/c he knew they were dope shit, and he wasn't > > > Whatever..... quit playa hating. Everybody is just mad because that can't > figure out how Trent makes those genius synth patches and how the hell he > gets his guitar sound. 99% of idm these days wishes it was as meticulous > and had the insane sound design of 'the downward spiral'. Trent took > elements from ministry just like aphex has taken elements of Detroit and > like autechre have taken elements of coil and richard devine has taken > elements of autechre blah blah blah. Everyone borrows from everyone; its a > part of musical evolution. If the majority of these idm cats could > actually combine these avant garde elements with a tune, the genre actually > might have some sort of life left in it but instead you have a genre of > music that has put its head completely up its ass. Not that that's a bad > thing but its time to move on and expand more. And its time to pay some > respect to one of the few genius electronic pop musicians of the 90's. > > > >

At 03:16 AM 12/19/2000 -0500, PLeXitMIND@aol.com wrote:

quoted 13 lines In a message dated 12/18/00 10:31:17 AM Pacific Standard Time,

>In a message dated 12/18/00 10:31:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, >squarepusher@mediaone.net writes: > > > > Also, I enjoyed the other member who wrote about T. Reznor. He's totally > > right, all he did was copy ministry and try and associate with good > > electronic artists, b/c he knew they were dope shit, and he wasn't > > > > > > Whatever..... quit playa hating. Everybody is just mad because that > can't > > figure out how Trent makes those genius synth patches and how the hell he > > gets his guitar sound.

actually, the majority of synth patches he doesn't make. he has a whole crew of sound designers with him, and they generally mess around with software until they come up with sounds trent likes. it's true. 'twas in an issue of Keyboard magazine, interviews 'n everything. he hasn't done much production himself in quite a while - although he's still the one who picks what to use. and the guitar work on "the fragile" is all old things from 'the downward spiral'. of course, now that i need the information i can't recall it, but essentially there was one song on 'the downward spiral' that trent had some famous guitar guy (arg!) do a couple hours of work for. but trent didn't use any of it. but he still wanted to use it, cos it was cool, so he made "the fragile" based around that guitar work. so that's just samples. trent can play guitar, but he's not very good, which works sometimes (i.e. broken). of course, this probably is what creates a lot of the playa hatin' for trent, cos a lot of IDM is DIY. it's not that trent doesn't do anything interesting. it's just that i lost interest after i graduated high school.

quoted 2 lines 99% of idm these days wishes it was as meticulous

> 99% of idm these days wishes it was as meticulous > > and had the insane sound design of 'the downward spiral'.

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In a message dated 12/19/00 1:17:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, youn0394@umn.edu writes:

quoted 19 lines actually, the majority of synth patches he doesn't make. he has a whole

> actually, the majority of synth patches he doesn't make. he has a whole > crew of sound designers with him, and they generally mess around with > software until they come up with sounds trent likes. it's true. 'twas in > an issue of Keyboard magazine, interviews 'n everything. he hasn't done > much production himself in quite a while - although he's still the one who > picks what to use. > > and the guitar work on "the fragile" is all old things from 'the downward > spiral'. of course, now that i need the information i can't recall it, but > essentially there was one song on 'the downward spiral' that trent had some > famous guitar guy (arg!) do a couple hours of work for. but trent didn't > use any of it. but he still wanted to use it, cos it was cool, so he made > "the fragile" based around that guitar work. so that's just > samples. trent can play guitar, but he's not very good, which works > sometimes (i.e. broken). > > of course, this probably is what creates a lot of the playa hatin' for > trent, cos a lot of IDM is DIY. >

I don't know why I even bother but ............ Actually, this is all total bullshit. Trent makes 99% of the synth patches and all the guitar patches. He loves the nord mod. I heard it straight from keith hilderbrandt's mouth; I'm a producer and I live in new orleans. I don't know where you get your information from but its all wrong. While keith did do some sound design on 'the fragile,' his main work was to be a programmer. Go back and read more carefully. Almost everything that winds up on NIN albums is created by TR; he's a control freak. While others do contribute, not very much of it appears on the albums. And I don't know who told you about the guitar patch thing because that is bullshit too. Adrian Belew came in to play guitar but guess who sets up the string of effects pedals and guess who makes the patches in turbosynth? Trent Reznor not Mr. Belew. Go to Adrian Belew's website, he explains it all. They did use his work on 'the downward spiral' too; it wasn't unused. He came in again on 'the fragile' sessions and played on two tracks, but its definitely not all samples from the past. 'the fragile' is definitely all about alan moulder and trent hooking mad effects pedals on the guitars. Believe what you want to believe though. turk