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2000-12-16 05:50Anthony Saunderswindowlicker is one of my favorite songs ever, so those of you who claim it was good for a

From:: Anthony Saunders <anthonysaunders@yahoo.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:50:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: [idm] windowlicker...

windowlicker is one of my favorite songs ever, so those of you who claim it was good for a laugh once, well, i guess you're the ones missing out then, aren't you? really, if that song is so simple, point me at other artists making songs like that, so that i can listen to them as well. i'm certainly not saying that Aphex is the only artist worth listening to, and i will say that Come To Daddy as an cd doesn't work very well, though i do like the individual tracks... RDJ album and Windowlicker are my fav Aphex releases... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-12-16 19:14andrei@world.std.comAnthony Saunders wrote: > windowlicker is one of my favorite songs ever, so > those of you

From:: <andrei@world.std.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:14:14 -0400
Subject:: Re: [idm] windowlicker...

Anthony Saunders wrote:

quoted 7 lines windowlicker is one of my favorite songs ever, so

> windowlicker is one of my favorite songs ever, so > those of you who claim it was good for a laugh once, > well, i guess you're the ones missing out then, aren't you? > > really, if that song is so simple, point me at other > artists making songs like that, so that i can listen > to them as well.

That track always reminded me a bit of the Super_Collider (Jamie Lidell + Cristian Vogel) album, which I thought was an amazing/underrated/overlooked album. Really highly recommended. Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-12-16 20:23Klint Dixon> windowlicker is one of my favorite songs ever, so > those of you who claim it was good f

From:: Klint Dixon <hexagon@cdsnet.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:23:52 -0800
Subject:: Re: [idm] windowlicker...

quoted 4 lines windowlicker is one of my favorite songs ever, so

> windowlicker is one of my favorite songs ever, so > those of you who claim it was good for a laugh once, > well, i guess you're the ones missing out then, aren't > you?

quoted 1 line RDJ album and Windowlicker are my fav Aphex releases...

> RDJ album and Windowlicker are my fav Aphex releases...

Well personally after reading all the bashing on this + that list over the last couple of years, I've determined that the IN thing to do is to publicly bash and call the music of RDJ, Trent Reznor, and Genesis P. Orridge crap and not even worth a listen. Its sad since those that I just mentioned have had a fairly significant influence on music + the music industry, and the artists that they led me to listen to. I can understand not paticularly liking the music, but to go to the point of name calling and such is pretty pointless, because they definately have their place in music history, and its not in the dung heap. blah blah blah. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-12-16 21:06laermOn Sat, 16 Dec 2000, Klint Dixon wrote: > Well personally after reading all the bashing on

From:: laerm <laerm@soulfood.org>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:06:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] windowlicker...
Reply to:: Re: [idm] windowlicker...

On Sat, 16 Dec 2000, Klint Dixon wrote:

quoted 4 lines Well personally after reading all the bashing on this + that list over

> Well personally after reading all the bashing on this + that list over > the last couple of years, I've determined that the IN thing to do is > to publicly bash and call the music of RDJ, Trent Reznor, and Genesis > P. Orridge crap and not even worth a listen.

help me out - why do you think this is the "in" thing to do? you know, there are times when the majority can be right. if you ask me, i think it's because a lot of people on this list remember when rdj was doing truly groundbreaking stuff back in the early 90's, and when he started to do novelty drum'n'bass, people lost interest. as for the gen bashing, hell, i don't think that's ever really been done. sure, some of his recent voca work isn't so hot, but i think most people on this list who are familiar with the genesis of even 12 years ago would consider his work more groundbreaking than rdj. (deep down, i'm just bitter, but at least i admit it. ;) ) micah stupak /"\ laerm@soulfood.org ascii ribbon campaign \ / international bright young kook against HTML email X / \ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-12-18 09:27Matthew Burrows>Well personally after reading all the bashing on this + that list >ver the last couple of

From:: Matthew Burrows <matthew_burrows@hotmail.com>
To:: <hexagon@cdsnet.net>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:27:35
Subject:: Re: [idm] windowlicker...

quoted 4 lines Well personally after reading all the bashing on this + that list

>Well personally after reading all the bashing on this + that list >ver the last couple of years, I've determined that the IN thing >o do is to publicly bash and call the music of RDJ, Trent Reznor, >nd Genesis P. Orridge crap and not even worth a listen.

i would agree generally, but trent reznor??????? all he did was rip off ministry, get into uk electronic music before most other americans (which has nothing to do with HIS music) and lay the foundations for idiots like marilyn manson _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-12-18 19:47DynamiCell@aol.comIn a message dated 12/18/00 1:28:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, matthew_burrows@hotmail.com

From:: <DynamiCell@aol.com>
To:: <matthew_burrows@hotmail.com>, <hexagon@cdsnet.net>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:47:41 EST
Subject:: Re: [idm] windowlicker...

In a message dated 12/18/00 1:28:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, matthew_burrows@hotmail.com writes: << i would agree generally, but trent reznor??????? all he did was rip off ministry, get into uk electronic music before most other americans (which has nothing to do with HIS music) and lay the foundations for idiots like marilyn manson >> Trent makes amazing music and is very talented at playing many instruments. He didn't rip off ministry, he made something similar. People can get inspiration from things they think are beautiful/good/cool and then modify the way they make music to make it sound more like what they want. Also, you say that him getting into electronic music before most americans had nothing to do with his music.. well, it does have something to do with his music. Obviously if he got into UK electronic before most americans and brought it back here and got fameous off of it, it did have something to do with his music. There sure are a lot of "idiots" who like the music of "idiot" marilyn manson who makes pretty well produced gothic industrial music for an "idiot." MÅ-Nick------|[www.manicdetroit.com][www.8bitpeoples.com]| ------------------|[www.mp3.com/manicdetroit]|-------111.41/110-pi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-12-18 19:49andrei@world.std.com> matthew_burrows@hotmail.com writes: > > << i would agree generally, but trent reznor????

From:: <andrei@world.std.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:49:22 -0400
Subject:: Re: [idm] windowlicker...

quoted 6 lines matthew_burrows@hotmail.com writes:

> matthew_burrows@hotmail.com writes: > > << i would agree generally, but trent reznor??????? all he did was rip off > ministry, get into uk electronic music before most other americans (which > has nothing to do with HIS music) and lay the foundations for idiots like > marilyn manson >>

DynamiCell@aol.com wrote:

quoted 1 line He didn't rip off ministry,....

> He didn't rip off ministry,....

That's correct. He actually ripped off Skinny Puppy and Foetus. Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-12-18 22:18David Moore><< i would agree generally, but trent reznor??????? all he did was >rip off >ministry, ge

From:: David Moore <number1138@hotmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:18:09 -0600
Subject:: Re: [idm] windowlicker...

quoted 15 lines << i would agree generally, but trent reznor??????? all he did was >rip off

><< i would agree generally, but trent reznor??????? all he did was >rip off >ministry, get into uk electronic music before most other >americans (which >has nothing to do with HIS music) and lay the >foundations for idiots like >marilyn manson >> > >Trent makes amazing music and is very talented at playing many > >instruments. He didn't rip off ministry, he made something similar. > >People can get inspiration from things they think are > >beautiful/good/cool and then modify the way they make music to make >it >sound more like what they want. Also, you say that him getting >into >electronic music before most americans had nothing to do with >his music.. >well, it does have something to do with his music. >Obviously if he got into UK electronic before most americans and >brought >it back here and got fameous off of it, it did have something >to do with >his music.

Although i don't really listen to much of trent reznor's music, i have a lot of respect for him, in interviews he openly praises his influences like ministry and skinny puppy (amongst others), his label has carried many of the warp acts i love now, and he has signed several other acts that i respect like einsturzende neubauten and coil. Not trying to say that he is some kind of visionary or a great musician, but he isn't afraid to try new things or talk about where his influences lie. He even goes into heavy detail as to how his music is made (which is more than most acts discussed here are willing to do) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-12-19 03:56John D.> Although i don't really listen to much of trent reznor's music, i have a lot > of respec

From:: John D. <jdalton@mail.net.tw>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:56:27 +0800
Subject:: Re: [idm] windowlicker...

quoted 1 line Although i don't really listen to much of trent reznor's music, i have a

> Although i don't really listen to much of trent reznor's music, i have a

lot

quoted 4 lines of respect for him, in interviews he openly praises his influences like

> of respect for him, in interviews he openly praises his influences like > ministry and skinny puppy (amongst others), his label has carried many of > the warp acts i love now, and he has signed several other acts that i > respect like einsturzende neubauten and coil. Not trying to say that he

quoted 4 lines some kind of visionary or a great musician, but he isn't afraid to try new

> some kind of visionary or a great musician, but he isn't afraid to try new > things or talk about where his influences lie. He even goes into heavy > detail as to how his music is made (which is more than most acts discussed > here are willing to do)

Yeah, and he's made music that's definitely his own and sounds only vaguely like the bands people associate with him, to my ears... been quite successful at it too, i think this is what pisses people off about him. i think his output has been mixed, the broken ep is great if you're into the angst power chord thing... further down the spiral remixes is one of my all-time favorite electronic releases. John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-12-19 08:08sprek@soundmangle.com>a bit off topic, but i just got back form the most amazing show i have >seen all year. Fo

From:: <sprek@soundmangle.com>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 00:08:54 -0800
Subject:: [idm] Moonraker-Patton/buckethead/flare
Reply to:: Re: [idm] windowlicker...

quoted 2 lines a bit off topic, but i just got back form the most amazing show i have

>a bit off topic, but i just got back form the most amazing show i have >seen all year. For those who made it, I'm sure yer still in awe.

For those who don't know, Mike Patton(see also, Fantomas, Mr. Bungle, Faith No More) is a lyrical genius! and that bucket wearing geetar player is also outstanding(see also PRAXIS, PIECES). But what went down at the Knitting factory tonight in Hollywood was CRAZY!!! Dj Flare threw the beats and cuts as buckethead wailed on the Double Barrel, and Patton, umm...WAS FUCKING GREAT. Using various vocal techniques and effects to battle the dj. Beatboxing, skratching with a CB mic!!! the night went smooth, ranging from nice melodic hymns to fucked up hiphop styles that would have yer uncle frank shitting bricks. I highly recommend checking out Fantomas and Mr. Bungle..and look for Buckethead, he's everywhere from Dj Q-berts Wave Twisters to Bootsies Zillatron. Flare really needs no introduction....i dont think, but incase you dont know, he invented the flare skratch. =o] well, I'm still flabergasted from the show....hope if anyone else that was there reads this enjoyed it as much as I did. peace. Sprek http://spit.to/onesick "I may not use very big words and be as smart as yall Idyemrs...but i likes me music good" . --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-12-19 09:35Matthew Burrows>He didn't rip off ministry, he made something similar. 'similar' insofar as it was second

From:: Matthew Burrows <matthew_burrows@hotmail.com>
To:: <DynamiCell@aol.com>, <hexagon@cdsnet.net>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:35:44
Subject:: Re: [idm] windowlicker...

quoted 1 line He didn't rip off ministry, he made something similar.

>He didn't rip off ministry, he made something similar.

'similar' insofar as it was second rate ministry, i feel.......

quoted 4 lines Obviously if he got into UK electronic before most americans and >brought

>Obviously if he got into UK electronic before most americans and >brought >it >back here and got fameous off of it, it did have something to do with >his >music.

how has that got ANYTHING to do with HIS music??????? all he did was re-release stuff that had been out in the UK for a while, which has absolutly nothing to do with his own output apart from the record label it was released on. your point makes v.little sense to me (clarification would be good)

quoted 3 lines There sure are a lot of "idiots" who like the music of "idiot" marilyn

>There sure are a lot of "idiots" who like the music of "idiot" marilyn > >manson >who makes pretty well produced gothic industrial music for an "idiot."

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