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just listened to NIN's albums "the downward spiral" and "the fragile". who knows how many times i've listened to these albums, before? though, now that i've begun to feel that IDM has it's own sound, i definitely hear whatever that sound is in both of these albums. i've always believed Trent Reznor should do an instrumental disc. ...now i'm beginning to feel he should be delving into an IDM album. just rambling on, here... semblance "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them." -- Yahweh (Genesis 11:6 NIV)

i've only heard bits and pieces of the Quake soundtrack. i thought that was more ambient than ...well, for lack of a better word, "More ambient than instrumental". that's an unfair description, but i'm tired right now. i didn't really get swept away by the quake sndtrk like the instrumental pieces on Fragile and Downward Spiral. semblance At 03:52 PM 10/22/2000 -0500, you wrote:

quoted 7 lines just listened to NIN's albums "the downward spiral" and "the fragile&q

>just listened to NIN's albums "the downward spiral" and "the fragile". who >knows how many >times i've listened to these albums, before? though, now that i've begun to >feel that IDM has >it's own sound, i definitely hear whatever that sound is in both of these >albums. >i've always believed Trent Reznor should do an instrumental disc. ...now

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quoted 2 lines beginning to feel

>beginning to feel >he should be delving into an IDM album.

Well, there's the old Quake soundtrack, that's instrumental ... ---- "That was my party. Straight bass drum with tuba." [http://pr0n.rootdown.net/] - Wolfgang Voigt _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 6 lines just listened to NIN's albums "the downward spiral" and "the fragile&q

>just listened to NIN's albums "the downward spiral" and "the fragile". >who knows how many times i've listened to these albums, before? though, >now that i've begun to feel that IDM has it's own sound, i definitely >hear whatever that sound is in both of these albums. i've always >believed Trent Reznor should do an instrumental disc. ...now i'm >beginning to feel he should be delving into an IDM album.

i'm very interested in the similarities and connections between industrial music and idm. i wonder how many people have become aware of idm through industrial. i, for one, became aware of idm through ambient. i remember my first idm purchases: aphex twin - saw2, ae - amber, boc - music has the right, and oval - diskont; all of which have respect by the ambient/chill-out audience. i would think that most idm fans got interested in idm through ambient and the more general electronic musics. (this is excluding the old-school idmers, those who've been there since artificial intelligence and earlier.) i wonder how many have become idm fans through meat beat manifesto instead of the orb. comments? as far as reznor goes, i can definitely identify elements in his music that i can also identify in the work of many idm artists. i don't listen to industrial music (i don't own any of the records), but i'm interested in it. can anyone name a few artists/albums that blur the lines between idm and industrial? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 10:27 PM 22/10/00, Armchair Charlie wrote:

quoted 10 lines i'm very interested in the similarities and connections between industrial

>i'm very interested in the similarities and connections between industrial >music and idm. i wonder how many people have become aware of idm through >industrial. i, for one, became aware of idm through ambient. i remember >my first idm purchases: aphex twin - saw2, ae - amber, boc - music has the >right, and oval - diskont; all of which have respect by the >ambient/chill-out audience. i would think that most idm fans got >interested in idm through ambient and the more general electronic >musics. (this is excluding the old-school idmers, those who've been there >since artificial intelligence and earlier.) i wonder how many have become >idm fans through meat beat manifesto instead of the orb. comments?

Well first of all, Meat Beat Manifesto was never really "industrial". They were tagged as such (in North America, at least) due to thier material being licenced through Wax Trax, a label that released mainly electro-industrial in the 80s and early 90s. But I don't think the tag really fit their music for the most part. Putting that aside - count me as someone who came into the IDM scene mainly from the industrial side of things. After being a li'l rivethead for the last half of the 80s, and I started getting tired of all the bangy gloom'n'doomy sort of stuff in the early 90s, and somehow found myself listening to The Orb and Orbital and a few early "rave" records via friends. The real turning point was seeing Greg Earle, an industrial old-timer like myself, make a post to the industrial newsgroup ranting about some amazing artist he'd discovered called The Aphex Twin. I couldn't find any AT stuff, but found the Polygon Window album and was blown away. I caught the Toronto stop on the Orbital/Aphex/Moby tour soon after, and aside from Moby, I was even more blown away. And that's where it started for me.

quoted 2 lines can anyone name a few artists/albums that blur the lines between idm

> can anyone name a few artists/albums that blur the lines between idm > and industrial?

I know that quite a few IDM artists consider Skinny Puppy to be an influence. Avoid The Process and Rabies, but the rest of their albums are pretty fine. And the post-Puppy project Download borders on what might be considered IDM at times. Coil have always been ones to jump genre lines as well, although their most techno-flavoured album - Love's Secret Domain - is also their hardest to find. Apparently a lot of the stuff on the Ant Zen and Hymen labels crosses the borders between industrial, noise and IDM, but I'm not too familiar with that scene so I'll let someone else guide the way. Greg -- Greg Clow - greg@stainedproductions.com - greg@feedbackmonitor.com concert & event promotions - http://www.stainedproductions.com electronic music radio/reviews/interviews - http://www.feedbackmonitor.com 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor - Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 - Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

before i respond to the post, i have a question for some of you. i'm a recent turntable owner, and my records are finally growing out of the milk crate that i have for them. what do you folks use for storage? are there any places online that you've dealt with that have good solutions? or am i just better off building my own? thanks for any and all replies. now for the good stuff. well, i'm from the idm-through-industrial camp. sort of. not that i was a big hardcore industrial person or anything. got into nin in highschool, more in college. listened to some kmfdm as well. wanted to find more stuff like that kind of thing and happened upon pop will eat itself (which really isn't that kind of thing at all, although they do sample ministry's "thieves" in "everything's cool"), mainly because they were signed to nothing. turned out i really liked them, and right around that time, they released a remix album, "two fingers my friends" remixed by all sorts of industrial-type folks (foetus, die krupps, etc...) and not-industrial folks (jah wobble, higher intelligence agency, *the orb*). so if i hadn't dug the orb remix on "TFMF", i might have not paid as much attention to the review that i read for "orbvs terrarvm" in, off all places, rolling stone. bought that and was changed for life. it was like nothing that i had heard before. wouldn't you know it, RS reviewed "i care because you do" in the next issue. bought that one, too. completely different from the orb, but no less exciting to me at the time. after that, i discovered hyperreal, and all of the great resources there and was able to find out a ton about this stuff i had never heard of before. oh yeah. found out about the idm-list there too. thanks to all you folks, i now have a turntable and almost 1100 records and CDs. i think i had somewhere around 150 when i started listening to PWEI... =) so there you have it. i sort of did, sort of didn't come to idm through the orb. of course, i don't have any meat beat CDs... On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, Armchair Charlie wrote:

quoted 4 lines just listened to NIN's albums "the downward spiral" and "the fragile&q

> >just listened to NIN's albums "the downward spiral" and "the fragile". > intelligence and earlier.) i wonder how many have become idm fans through > meat beat manifesto instead of the orb. comments? >

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actually, i learnt about IDM through NIN. on the downward spiral remix album, Further Down the Spiral, track 7 (At The Heart Of It All) is by Aphex Twin. i saw this name "Aphex Twin" in the linear notes, and decided i had to have more music by him/her/them. so i purchased SAW2. i already had ambient influences through Brian Eno and Robert Fripp, so i figured i'd like SAW2. needless to say (though i'll still say it) i was hooked, and have been an IDM fan since. semblance

quoted 6 lines just listened to NIN's albums "the downward spiral" and "the fragile&q

>just listened to NIN's albums "the downward spiral" and "the fragile". >who knows how many times i've listened to these albums, before? though, >now that i've begun to feel that IDM has it's own sound, i definitely >hear whatever that sound is in both of these albums. i've always >believed Trent Reznor should do an instrumental disc. ...now i'm >beginning to feel he should be delving into an IDM album.

i'm very interested in the similarities and connections between industrial music and idm. i wonder how many people have become aware of idm through industrial. i, for one, became aware of idm through ambient. i remember my first idm purchases: aphex twin - saw2, ae - amber, boc - music has the right, and oval - diskont; all of which have respect by the ambient/chill-out audience. i would think that most idm fans got interested in idm through ambient and the more general electronic musics. (this is excluding the old-school idmers, those who've been there since artificial intelligence and earlier.) i wonder how many have become idm fans through meat beat manifesto instead of the orb. comments? as far as reznor goes, i can definitely identify elements in his music that i can also identify in the work of many idm artists. i don't listen to industrial music (i don't own any of the records), but i'm interested in it. can anyone name a few artists/albums that blur the lines between idm and industrial? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___________________________________________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

In a message dated 10/22/00 10:15:56 PM Central Daylight Time, greg@stainedproductions.com writes: << Coil have always been ones to jump genre lines as well, although their most techno-flavoured album - Love's Secret Domain - is also their hardest to find. >> don't forget eLpH --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

In a message dated 10/22/00 7:28:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dubnovibrator@hotmail.com writes: << i'm very interested in the similarities and connections between industrial music and idm >> Well.. A lot of people were exposed to IDM through NIN's "Further Down the Spiral" disc which had a remix by aphex twin... <<can anyone name a few artists/albums that blur the lines between idm and industrial?>> Yes! My favorite kind of industrial... Haujobb-Solutions for a Small Planet Haujobb-Ninety-nine Forma Tadre-Navigator Numb-Language of Silence (Particularly track 6 "Closer") Gridlock-The Synthetic Form Gridlock-Further Gridlock-5.25 Dryft (side project of Gridlock)-Cell Pain Station-Cold Haujobb sound the most like straight IDM... While Gridlock really seems to be a perfect mix of industrial and IDM... Syncopated harsh rhythms, with BEAUTIFUL ambient pads in the background, with distorted vocals used as another instrument instead of taking focus.. Dryft, the Gridlock side-project.. Is more like an industrial DnB album, minus any cheesy samples... Pain Station's "Cold" album is a concept album.. But has many "intelligent" rhythms and textures to it.. But it's VERY disturbing. I have a review written here of that album: http://www.stas.net/tf2k/frameset2.html click on "reviews" and then "P" and then "Pain Station-Cold" Hope I've been of some help! Jared p.s. as an afterthought... i kind of try to blend the two a little bit.. if you're interested.. Check out www.thoughtless.dr.ag and download "dissolve". --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Loptimiste@aol.com wrote:

quoted 2 lines Well.. A lot of people were exposed to IDM through NIN's "Further Down the

> Well.. A lot of people were exposed to IDM through NIN's "Further Down the > Spiral" disc which had a remix by aphex twin...

It was not a remix actually, it was a track entirely of Aphex's creation. Why it was on the disc then is a question, but I was turned on to Aphex and the whole ambient and IDM scene by that one track, so I won't question it too much. -- forel elitist fuck --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 12:05 AM 10/23/2000 -0400, alan r lucas wrote:

quoted 5 lines before i respond to the post, i have a question for some of you. i'm a

>before i respond to the post, i have a question for some of you. i'm a >recent turntable owner, and my records are finally growing out of the milk >crate that i have for them. what do you folks use for storage? are there >any places online that you've dealt with that have good solutions? or am i >just better off building my own?

I think the more important question is "where do you get your milk crates?" i just have my wax in a stack under my stereo. cos you got your wax, and you got your stacks of wax. i have some rarities down there, so i think a milkcrate would be a bit better than just lying about. anyone know where i can get a milk crate or 3? cheers, /derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

i wonder how many people have become aware of idm

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>through >industrial.

I'm part of that. I'm just to young to have missed the E. Neubauten/ Throbbing Gristle/ Nurse with Wound movement, but Ministry's "The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste" started it all for me. Then came NIN, and Skinny Puppy (who are still my favorite all time). Sometime in the late 80's/early 90's, though is when it all fell apart because many of these bands turned to guitars. Front Line Assembly, who was decent at first, went metal with Millineum and never came back, and we all know how much of a joke Ministry is these days. My first exposue to IDM was Tri-Repetae and Phoenecia's "Randa Roomet." The only thing I would recommend to people on this list from those days is Haujobb's "Freeze Frame Reality" or "Solutions for a Small Planet." After those, they sorta went trip hop/down tempo so if you like that sorta thing, check out their "Remixes 99" cd. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 4 lines The only thing I would recommend to people on this list from those days is

>The only thing I would recommend to people on this list from those days is >Haujobb's "Freeze Frame Reality" or "Solutions for a Small Planet." After >those, they sorta went trip hop/down tempo so if you like that sorta thing, >check out their "Remixes 99" cd.

Yes, this era of haujobb is IDM that you can actually dance to!! Ebola np: f242 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines i wonder how many people have become aware of idm

>i wonder how many people have become aware of idm >through >industrial.

I am part of this group as well, with my first experience in "industrial" being Fad Gadget. . . good ole Frank Tovey made me realize that there was something to this whole synth nonsense (makes me feel sorta old thinking about those days) :). I soon moved on to Cabaret Voltair, E.N., Gristle, Skinny Puppy (and related works) and on and on and on. . . My first experimentation with idm as it were (well, more like ambient I guess) came with the early Richard H. Kirk solo releases, of which I then moved on towards autechre, rdj, and other miscellaneous things . . . Recently I have returned to listening to some of the more powernoise style industrial and spent less time purchasing wonderfully seductive idm releases (other than Uwe / Rather Interesting stuff cuz MrTangent has gotten me addicted and I can't stop myself). . mostly ant-zen releases. . .noisex, P.A.L. etc. Admittedly it can be less than "intelligent" at times, but there is something about it that makes it fit rather well with my current life's soundtrack. I have never actually liked NIN nor given them much a listen, in fact, the only album I have ever been able to listen to repeatedly is fixed, which is quite good imo. Pretty much everything else he has done hasnt really hit me enough to make me want to listen to it. . . oh well In conclusion, i will close by reiterating what many have recommended Haujobb. I have been a big fan of them for quite some time and recommend everything except ninetynine and the remix wars (vs. Wumpscut, who i kinda enjoy normally). I am also very fond of the newest noisex ep (Serial Killer). Other than the first (quite ambient), and second (classic noisex noise) tracks, the other tracks stretch into the domain of idm with a mixture of techno bleeps and beats with some harsh bass lines and samples. Take care folks, -tin np: Nightmare Before Christmas Soundtrack (woo, big screen again) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

>i wonder how many people have become aware of idm >through >industrial. Count me in. I was and I am fan of Ministry, Scorn, Fear Factory, Einsturzende Neubauten, Godflesh and others. I can be called Metal to Techno transformed person. From Napalm Death I moved to Scorn and then to Autechre. From My Dying Bride and Entombed I turned to LSG and Emmanuel Top and then to Aphex Twin and Squarepusher. Life's unpredictable miracles... 8) btw. new Napalm Death proclaiming hatred to greedy show business (It is obvious they mean Earache Records with whom they finally ceased relationships stipulated by many years' contract) is excellent....for those who are ready to dig it of course - grind core is back! Alien np. Hextatic - Rewind (recommended item!) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org