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2000-09-08 14:55cranket .richard devine, lexaunculpt, accelera deck, arovane, etc etc all up and comers who sound l

From:: cranket . <aiiaii@hotmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:55:43 GMT
Subject:: Re: [idm] the future of "idm"

richard devine, lexaunculpt, accelera deck, arovane, etc etc all up and comers who sound like autechre, but the question is ... is it a good song ? autechre write some beautiful songs, theyre heavy on repetition, but so what imo theyre not only pushing sound they are creating wonderful songs. richard devine has the same vibe, lexaunculpt is just plain wicked when it comes to organising rolls and skitters along with nice melodies, accelera deck is crunchy, and arovane has some of that 'old school' synth melody going for him, point is they all resemble autechre in some way, much like a rock band resembles other rock bands in some way, what differences can be found is who is creating good songs. some other notables i think are: bauri, metamatics, phonem, isan, b.fleischmann, and of course good ole aphex twin.

quoted 40 lines From: andrei@world.std.com

>From: andrei@world.std.com >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] the future of "idm" >Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:58:47 -0400 > >Lucas wrote: > > > Autechre are not any different than any of us. > >Yes they are. They're a lot more talented than most of us. > > > Anyone experimenting with a computer or a modular synth is going to come >up with > > some cool sounds eventually. > >Sure anyone can come up with some OK sounds with the right plugins or what >have you, >but knowing how to assemble those sounds into an intriguing piece of music >is the >hard part. And that's what Autechre excels at (most of the time). > > > I think part of the reason people think that Autechre are the future of >"IDM" is > > cause for the most part* nothing better ever comes out. (I think we can >all relate > > to this, although there is some > > really cool stuff out lately *(Lexaunculpt, Richard Devine) that's >really wicked. > >Come on, Lexaunculpt is good, but that's like comparing David S. Ware to >Coltrane (or >Enrique to Julio). :-) > >Andrei > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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2000-09-08 15:38Ian Pojmanyeah I totally agree with cranket. I have a question though, how did we get to talking abo

From:: Ian Pojman <ian@webice.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:38:43 -0500
Subject:: RE: [idm] the future of "idm"
Reply to:: Re: [idm] the future of "idm"

yeah I totally agree with cranket. I have a question though, how did we get to talking about ae as the *future* of elec- tronic music, I always considered groups like them and RDJ the past... as great influences to all or most of the IDM thats probably ever come out ? ian

quoted 84 lines -----Original Message-----

> -----Original Message----- > From: cranket . [mailto:aiiaii@hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 9:56 AM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] the future of "idm" > > > > richard devine, lexaunculpt, accelera deck, arovane, etc etc > all up and comers who sound like autechre, but the question is ... > is it a good song ? autechre write some beautiful songs, theyre heavy on > repetition, but so what imo theyre not only pushing sound they > are creating > wonderful songs. richard devine has the same vibe, > lexaunculpt is just plain wicked when it comes to organising rolls and > skitters along with nice melodies, accelera deck is crunchy, and > arovane has > some of that 'old school' synth melody going for him, > point is they all resemble autechre in some way, much like a rock band > resembles other rock bands in some way, what differences can be > found is who > is creating good songs. some other notables i think are: > bauri, metamatics, phonem, isan, b.fleischmann, and of course > good ole aphex > twin. > > >From: andrei@world.std.com > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [idm] the future of "idm" > >Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:58:47 -0400 > > > >Lucas wrote: > > > > > Autechre are not any different than any of us. > > > >Yes they are. They're a lot more talented than most of us. > > > > > Anyone experimenting with a computer or a modular synth is > going to come > >up with > > > some cool sounds eventually. > > > >Sure anyone can come up with some OK sounds with the right > plugins or what > >have you, > >but knowing how to assemble those sounds into an intriguing > piece of music > >is the > >hard part. And that's what Autechre excels at (most of the time). > > > > > I think part of the reason people think that Autechre are the > future of > >"IDM" is > > > cause for the most part* nothing better ever comes out. (I > think we can > >all relate > > > to this, although there is some > > > really cool stuff out lately *(Lexaunculpt, Richard Devine) that's > >really wicked. > > > >Come on, Lexaunculpt is good, but that's like comparing David S. Ware to > >Coltrane (or > >Enrique to Julio). :-) > > > >Andrei > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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2000-09-08 15:42Josh DavisonOn Fri, 8 Sep 2000, cranket . wrote: > point is they all resemble autechre in some way, mu

From:: Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:42:15 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:: Re: [idm] who sounds like whom
Reply to:: Re: [idm] the future of "idm"

On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, cranket . wrote:

quoted 3 lines point is they all resemble autechre in some way, much like a rock band

> point is they all resemble autechre in some way, much like a rock band > resembles other rock bands in some way, what differences can be found is who > is creating good songs.

exactly. the thing that you people jumping all over these bands for "sounding like autechre" have to realize is that what you are picking up on in many cases is just the fact that they use the same tools and techniques to create the music. every guitar player that uses a Big Muff pedal on a solo "sounds like Hendrix" of course any band as influential as autechre are going to have other musicians take away some of that influence. it's called evolution. some of you on this list might have heard of it. the first cro-magnon who figured out how to make a spear probably showed it to another cro-magnon, who recognized it as a good technique and *GASP* copied it. perhaps you noticed how much influence mozart took from bach. or how much Georges Braques and Picasso's early works resemble eachother. Or how Microsoft Windows copied MacOS who copied some experimental Xerox UI. Or how every major auto manufacturer copied Henry Ford's assembly line production model. now consider a young upstart electronic musician. she has been listening to "IDM" for a while and now she wants to make some. Now she's got some gear and she's read the instruction manuals but still has no idea how to use it artistically. So she sets about trying to come up with something that sounds familiar to her. Derivative or not, she is now making music that sounds good to her. Eventually, as her skills evolve the music starts sounding less and less like that of other artists and more and more like her own personal style. This is a regular part of the process of artistic evolution and should be recognized as such. -Josh -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-09-08 18:19glammer@another.comExcept that you?ll have to change "she" to "he" in 99 cases of 100.... -----Original Messa

From:: <glammer@another.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:19:22 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
Subject:: Re: [idm] who sounds like whom

Except that you?ll have to change "she" to "he" in 99 cases of 100.... -----Original Message----- From : Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com> To : idm@hyperreal.org Date : 08 September 2000 16:42:15 Subject : Re: [idm] who sounds like whom On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, cranket . wrote:

quoted 49 lines point is they all resemble autechre in some way, much like a rock band

>> point is they all resemble autechre in some way, much like a rock band >> resembles other rock bands in some way, what differences can be found is who >> is creating good songs. > >exactly. > >the thing that you people jumping all over these bands for ?sounding like >autechre? have to realize is that what you are picking up on in many cases >is just the fact that they use the same tools and techniques to create the >music. every guitar player that uses a Big Muff pedal on a solo ?sounds >like Hendrix? > >of course any band as influential as autechre are going to have other >musicians take away some of that influence. it's called evolution. some >of you on this list might have heard of it. the first cro-magnon who >figured out how to make a spear probably showed it to another cro-magnon, >who recognized it as a good technique and *GASP* copied it. perhaps you >noticed how much influence mozart took from bach. or how much Georges >Braques and Picasso's early works resemble eachother. Or how Microsoft >Windows copied MacOS who copied some experimental Xerox UI. Or how every >major auto manufacturer copied Henry Ford's assembly line production >model. > >now consider a young upstart electronic musician. she has been listening >to ?IDM? for a while and now she wants to make some. Now she's got some >gear and she's read the instruction manuals but still has no idea how to >use it artistically. So she sets about trying to come up with something >that sounds familiar to her. Derivative or not, she is now making music >that sounds good to her. Eventually, as her skills evolve the music starts >sounding less and less like that of other artists and more and more like >her own personal style. > >This is a regular part of the process of artistic evolution and should be >recognized as such. > >-Josh > >-- >String Theory : Digital Music for Humans >http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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