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quoted 4 lines are they the kind of place (like Darla) that receives your email, fills

> are they the kind of place (like Darla) that receives your email, fills > your order, and ships the stuff without ever sending you back a > confirmation? now i have no idea if the stuff is really on order. > suppose i could just call, but...

Actually, it's been my experience that Bent Crayon just ignores potential business. I, too, sent an order and follow-up emails...no response to email, no records arrived, and (thankfully) no charge to my card. There are better options. .rr --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 09:08 PM 11/3/1999 -0600, you wrote:

quoted 9 lines are they the kind of place (like Darla) that receives your email, fills

> > are they the kind of place (like Darla) that receives your email, fills > > your order, and ships the stuff without ever sending you back a > > confirmation? now i have no idea if the stuff is really on order. > > suppose i could just call, but... > >Actually, it's been my experience that Bent Crayon just ignores potential >business. I, too, sent an order and follow-up emails...no response to email, no >records arrived, and (thankfully) no charge to my card. There are better >options.

I buy between $50-200 in music a week and I've purchased music from a majority of online music shops at one time or another. I can honestly say that no other shop has been able to get me the music in the many different styles, labels and artists I follow with the consistency that Bent Crayon does. I'm sure everybody has their own favorites, I'm just voicing my support for mine. -->-Lance--- lance@inaudible.com p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

In a message dated 11/3/99 10:08:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, rr@lucidesign.com writes: << Actually, it's been my experience that Bent Crayon just ignores potential business. I, too, sent an order and follow-up emails...no response to email, no records arrived, and (thankfully) no charge to my card. There are better options. .rr >> There are some people who deal electronic stuff that obviously don't care about your business, but I don't think Bent Crayon is one of them, as John always wrote me back, though sometimes it took a few days. I get the impression he's just very busy. But I usually try s://kimo first for stuff, as PJ is the nicest guy I've met among retailers. Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I ordered through Bent Crayon once (when I bought the Hrvatski "Oiseaux 96 - 98" release) and actually held a small email chat w/the guy who runs Bent Crayon. Maybe he's busy or something, but it's unusual that he hasn't emailed you almost immediately after you sent in your order -- like in my case. -Shawn.

quoted 9 lines bruce levenstein wrote:

>bruce levenstein wrote: > >used to shop at bent crayon way back when i lived in ohio and >recently >decided to give their mail order a try. tried using the on->line shopping >basket and got no response. tried sending an email >with my order details >and got no response. are they the kind of >place (like Darla) that receives >your email, fills your order, and >ships the stuff without ever sending you >back a confirmation? now i >have no idea if the stuff is really on order. >suppose i could just call, but...

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Hrvatski has been mentioned like 5 times today by different people...in case anyone reading all this is thinking about checking his stuff out, i noticed they even had the new cd on cdnow, someon posted the below coupon on whitezone, i didnt see it(said coupon) here, do people usually post these here..whatever. i ordered with them once, using a coupon, everything went smoothly. http://www.cdnow.com/from=sr-1011876/ 10$ off 24.99$ also, there's a cd of other Hrvatski stuff that can be had via mp3.com (do a search on hrvatski, obviously)... yolo At 02:41 AM 11/4/99 CST, you wrote:

quoted 27 lines I ordered through Bent Crayon once (when I bought the Hrvatski "Oiseaux 96 -

>I ordered through Bent Crayon once (when I bought the Hrvatski "Oiseaux 96 - >98" release) and actually held a small email chat w/the guy who runs Bent >Crayon. Maybe he's busy or something, but it's unusual that he hasn't >emailed you almost immediately after you sent in your order -- like in my >case. > >-Shawn. > >>bruce levenstein wrote: >> >>used to shop at bent crayon way back when i lived in ohio and >recently >>decided to give their mail order a try. tried using the on->line shopping >>basket and got no response. tried sending an email >with my order details >>and got no response. are they the kind of >place (like Darla) that receives >>your email, fills your order, and >ships the stuff without ever sending you >>back a confirmation? now i >have no idea if the stuff is really on order. >>suppose i could just call, but... > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Agreed, on both accounts! I have to add in on this...... I can imagine John is busy....in the past I have ordered from him... just try patience first, or give the email message some special name in BOLD and ALL CAPS.... Still, PJ is hella cool.....he actually allowed me to return something(and lets not make this a habit), but because he did, it definitely made the entire transaction more personable.......and prolly the next time I order on-line....it will be from him..... 308!!

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> -----Original Message----- > From: AeOtaku@aol.com [SMTP:AeOtaku@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 3:16 AM > To: rr@lucidesign.com; idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (idm) bent crayon question > > In a message dated 11/3/99 10:08:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, > rr@lucidesign.com writes: > > << > Actually, it's been my experience that Bent Crayon just ignores potential > business. I, too, sent an order and follow-up emails...no response to > email, no > records arrived, and (thankfully) no charge to my card. There are better > options. > > .rr > >> > > There are some people who deal electronic stuff > that obviously don't care about your business, but > I don't think Bent Crayon is one of them, as John > always wrote me back, though sometimes it took > a few days. I get the impression he's just very busy. > But I usually try s://kimo first for stuff, as PJ is the > nicest guy I've met among retailers. > > Matt > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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On Thu, 04 Nov 1999 00:11:06 -0500 "Lance @ Inaudible" <lance@inaudible.com> writes:

quoted 27 lines At 09:08 PM 11/3/1999 -0600, you wrote:

> At 09:08 PM 11/3/1999 -0600, you wrote: > > > are they the kind of place (like Darla) that receives your > email, fills > > > your order, and ships the stuff without ever sending you back a > > > confirmation? now i have no idea if the stuff is really on > order. > > > suppose i could just call, but... > > > >Actually, it's been my experience that Bent Crayon just ignores > potential > >business. I, too, sent an order and follow-up emails...no response > to email, no > >records arrived, and (thankfully) no charge to my card. There are > better > >options. > > I buy between $50-200 in music a week and I've purchased music > from a majority of online music shops at one time or another. I can > honestly say that no other shop has been able to get me the music in > > the many different styles, labels and artists I follow with the > consistency that Bent Crayon does. > > I'm sure everybody has their own favorites, I'm just voicing my > support for mine. > > -->-Lance---

right on the money ... id add dave at PBE and S:Kimo as easily the top 3... tom w np: damo suzuki network - seattle ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 5 lines Actually, it's been my experience that Bent Crayon just ignores potential

>Actually, it's been my experience that Bent Crayon just ignores potential >business. I, too, sent an order and follow-up emails...no response to >email, no >records arrived, and (thankfully) no charge to my card. There are better >options.

Ive made this mistake of slaggin Bent Crayon on the list before I fully understood what was going on, but if you understand a few things about them life will be better. If you buy IDM online (prolly over 70% of us do) then this shop fits easily into the top five IDM sites. 1. Their shopping cart is a VIRTUAL shopping cart; that is its not hooked up to anything but it gives the user the EXPERIENCE of using an ACTUAL shopping cart. 2. Email them instead copy/pasting what you want, then it only takes a few days, maybe a week. 3. CALL THEM. That way you get someone on the phone (instant feeback), you know if its in stock and get the best idea when it will ship. Until they alleviate point 1 then theyll have to hassle with people going with point 2 & 3, but they dont seem to mind so go for it! my $.02 ernie Ernesto Ikerd, (817) 763-4795 Company Graphics, Dept 17, MZ-1156 Lockheed Martin Tactical Aircraft Systems Fort Worth, Texas --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

im sure there has been enough support already for john and bcrayon, but i have had zero problems in over two years of ordering every week, no exceptions. 1. give him your credit card #. (bad idea if you dont want to spend alot) 2. wake up saturday morning, check your email. 3. read the weekly mailing list. 4. copy and paste what you want. 5. wait for stuff. 6. get stuff, listen. biggest selection, best service. if you want your hand held, and tons of confirmations, go somewhere else. --- clietz@enteract.com On Thu, 04 Nov 1999 10:00:59 Ernesto Ikerd wrote:

quoted 7 lines Actually, it's been my experience that Bent Crayon just ignores potential

>>Actually, it's been my experience that Bent Crayon just ignores potential >>business. I, too, sent an order and follow-up emails...no response to >>email, no >>records arrived, and (thankfully) no charge to my card. There are better >>options. > >

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s://kimo great service. PJ. is one of the nicest folks on earth. b.c. great store. horrible store-owner. seriously, one of the most wretched human beings i've ever had the misfortune to encounter. it's your judgment call. if that's too much of a moral dilemma for ya, there's always Other Music. as long as you're mail-ordering and not shopping in-store (they tend to be pretty snotty), it's really the best of both worlds. best weekly updates in the 'biz, as well. www.othermusic.com - if you can put up with NY 'tude, drop by the storefront every so often. the used bin is unbeatable. mr. e. now on: bruce haak: listen, compute, rock home (emperor norton) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 Echophoria@aol.com wrote:

quoted 5 lines if that's too much of a moral dilemma for ya, there's always Other Music. as

> if that's too much of a moral dilemma for ya, there's always Other Music. as > long as you're mail-ordering and not shopping in-store (they tend to be > pretty snotty), it's really the best of both worlds. best weekly updates in > the 'biz, as well. www.othermusic.com - if you can put up with NY 'tude, drop > by the storefront every so often. the used bin is unbeatable.

Actually, I think that Kim's in St.Mark's has a better IDM selection as well as having better prices. They had a bunch of Hab cds for like $5! That being said, Other Music is still a great store... Howie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 4 lines b.c.

> b.c. > great store. > horrible store-owner. seriously, one of the most wretched human beings i've > ever had the misfortune to encounter.

really...this cannot be serious... m/j --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 4 lines b.c.

> b.c. > great store. > horrible store-owner. seriously, one of the most wretched human beings i've > ever had the misfortune to encounter.

Ok, enough. This is getting excessive. I do not harbor any hate towards BC, and have no reason to. I just shared that I was ignored, but I wasn't out anything. There is no reason to attack them like this.

quoted 3 lines s://kimo

> s://kimo > great service. > PJ. is one of the nicest folks on earth.

Amen. PJ is going it solo, too. He has always come through for me, and his level of service is quite high. Please kill this thread. Buy _wherever_ the fuck you want to and be glad you have choices. I'm glad I don't own a store. ;] .rr np: warp10 .ra feed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines s://kimo

>s://kimo >great service. >PJ. is one of the nicest folks on earth.

right. if you're interested solely in new releases of IDM & scattered related product, you could go a long time without ever having to talk to anyone one but PJ. And this would be a very good life, but...

quoted 4 lines b.c.

>b.c. >great store. >horrible store-owner. seriously, one of the most wretched human beings i've >ever had the misfortune to encounter.

completely wrong. John C stocks at least 20x as many titles each week as PJ. Not just IDM. Plus he runs an actual storefront. Plus he has more customers who have been dealing with him for years who buy music other than IDM. Plus he prepares those 100 page weekly updates himself every week, instead of the stripped down 5 pager PJ sends out. now i may be out of my element here, but as i remember it, you STILL owe john c a serious amount of money. so let's just say that yr stance is loaded. we'll leave it at that... you know i love ya g, but yr out of line... -Våt ____________________ Reckankreuzungsklankewerkzeuge PO BOX 382864. Cambridge, MA 02238 http://www.tiac.net/users/sheket/index.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Echophoria@aol.com shat forth:

quoted 1 line s://kimo great service. PJ. is one of the nicest folks on earth.

>s://kimo great service. PJ. is one of the nicest folks on earth.

true, true.

quoted 3 lines b.c.great store. horrible store-owner. seriously, one of the most wretched

>b.c.great store. horrible store-owner. seriously, one of the most wretched >human beings i've ever had the misfortune to encounter. >it's your judgment call.

what, did he have sex with your girlfriend while scratching your mask100? this is just bullshit. i don't _know_ john, but he's been nothing but friendly, honest, and prompt.*

quoted 3 lines if that's too much of a moral dilemma for ya, there's always Other Music.

>if that's too much of a moral dilemma for ya, there's always Other Music. >as long as you're mail-ordering and not shopping in-store (they tend to be >pretty snotty), it's really the best of both worlds.

i've found their employees to be friendly AND helpful, in-store. like taking the time to find things that were misfiled, informing me that there was a cheaper copy of something in the used section, repeatedly telling me that the CD they were playing was chessie (hey, it sounded different every 5 minutes, ok?).

quoted 1 line the used bin is unbeatable.

>the used bin is unbeatable.

i've beaten it at aron's in LA, and i've heard that amoeba in SF kicks the high holy crap out of everything. but it is good. * does anyone notice that mr. e bears an _astonishing_ resemblance to gil gershman? right down to the rank, vicious denouncements (see the bit about john c of bent crayon above), ripping people off (on ebay at least) and general bitchiness? is it just a coincidence that this person bears such a resemblance to mr. gershman and has appeared since gil's hilarious fulmination and obnoxious exit from this list a while back? and that this is seemingly the only list on the net that his usual address doesn't appear on? personally, i don't care. but i do find it really, really pathetic and amusing. much like his reviews. and on that note... -b. -- radio: [ http://listen.to/treblequake ] the only solution. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

In a message dated 11/4/99 4:46:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, awesoma_powa@hotmail.com writes: << i've beaten it at aron's in LA, and i've heard that amoeba in SF kicks the high holy crap out of everything. but it is good. >> I'm thinking of flying to San Fran just to see Amoeba. All reports I've heard seem to indicate that obsessive record collectors of all kinds had better bring somewhere in the range of four thousand dollars. I need to make a contact in San Fran who can buy stuff there for me. Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

In a message dated 11/4/99 9:21:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, sheket@tiac.net writes (in an unexplicably defense fashion): << right. if you're interested solely in new releases of IDM & scattered related product, you could go a long time without ever having to talk to anyone one but PJ. And this would be a very good life, but... Zing! PJ is nothing but willing to get good stuff, he is very selective and only gets most of the best stuff, and he's by far the nicest and most rewarding guy to deal with. The original poster never claimed he was the only person to deal with, just that he offered great service (true) and was friendly (true). What is your problem with that? You're being nasty for no apparent reason. Strangely, much like the guy at Forced Exposure was when I asked him a couple of ordering questions. completely wrong. John C stocks at least 20x as many titles each week as PJ. Not just IDM. Plus he runs an actual storefront. Plus he has more customers who have been dealing with him for years who buy music other than IDM. Plus he prepares those 100 page weekly updates himself every week, instead of the stripped down 5 pager PJ sends out. So he caters to a larger group. So what? I don't understand how you make a value judgement on that, and especially why you segway that into some derogatory comments. Let's compare it to local stores versus chain stores. PJ is like your local record dealer. He recommends things, has e-mail dialogues with you, and is genuinely friendly and appreciates/respects his customers. Yes, if I want to get the Super Collider CD or Argentinan compilations, he might not have it, and sometimes he doesn't get stuff in. John C. has stuff from all sorts of electronic genres (most of which just don't interest me, so I don't like slogging through a hundred page list with the same amount of stuff I want as s://kimo) but basically just gives you what the label says on a release, the price, and if you e-mail him, what's in stock and your order total. Never: "I can try to get that for you," or "you should check this record out." He may be cordial, but it's hard not to be in so few words. So in conclusion, they both have their merits and flaws. Surprise. To make this list-relevant, I think the best overall store in terms of stock hasn't been mentioned yet: Hedonizm. Every one of his new release lists he has all sorts of records first and he gets virtually everything hardcore IDM/intelligent techno types could want. Most of the time I want everything he lists, or close to it. Plus good commentary, great guy. A little pricey, but it's not his fault most IDM labels gouge the retailers. Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org