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--- jimg <skoop@slackers.net> wrote:

quoted 8 lines very nice.

> very nice. > > if anyone wants to remix tracks, contact me...I'm up > for it. I have more > samplers right now than I know what to do with > (literally). > > -jimg

I am extremely inspired by the results of the remix chain. You can count me in as a participant!!! -John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

a word of caution to you enthusiasts: MAKE SURE YOU HAVE SOMEONE COMMITTED TO ORGANIZING THE PROJECT. the remix disc took well over a year to produce and nearly collapsed at several points. m/j *** ** ** * * * ** * * * * * /bin chicago [http://www.enteract.com/~egoiste/bin.html] On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, John Counts wrote:

quoted 8 lines I am extremely inspired by the results of the remix chain. You

> I am extremely inspired by the results of the remix chain. You > can count me in as a participant!!! > -John > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com >

--- mike javor <egoiste@enteract.com> wrote:

quoted 7 lines a word of caution to you enthusiasts: MAKE SURE YOU

> > > a word of caution to you enthusiasts: MAKE SURE YOU > HAVE SOMEONE COMMITTED > TO ORGANIZING THE PROJECT. the remix disc took well > over a year to > produce and nearly collapsed at several points.

Do you mean this in a commercial sense? I was thinking of just an informal thing for fun. I would be the organizer but my computer is only a P166 with 16 MB and a 1.38 GB hard drive (sigh). It would take me a year just to burn off enough copies and even then, the disc would only be about 35 min. because my capacity is so low :) Any takers out there? I can provide a track to remix, including all of the samples used to construct it. I don't have any commercial/financial interest at all- just for the sake of it. Oh yes, thanks for the advice, that is a good reminder Mike. Who's interested? John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

I'm interested in participating! Andrew Duke :) John Counts wrote:

quoted 23 lines --- mike javor <egoiste@enteract.com> wrote:

> --- mike javor <egoiste@enteract.com> wrote: > > > > > > a word of caution to you enthusiasts: MAKE SURE YOU > > HAVE SOMEONE COMMITTED > > TO ORGANIZING THE PROJECT. the remix disc took well > > over a year to > > produce and nearly collapsed at several points. > Do you mean this in a commercial sense? I was thinking of just an > informal thing for fun. I would be the organizer but my computer is > only a P166 with 16 MB and a 1.38 GB hard drive (sigh). It would take > me a year just to burn off enough copies and even then, the disc would > only be about 35 min. because my capacity is so low :) Any takers out > there? I can provide a track to remix, including all of the samples > used to construct it. I don't have any commercial/financial interest at > all- just for the sake of it. Oh yes, thanks for the advice, that is a > good reminder Mike. > Who's interested? > John > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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Andrew Duke wrote:

quoted 2 lines I'm interested in participating!

> I'm interested in participating! > Andrew Duke :)

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On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:43:20 John Counts wrote:

quoted 1 line Who's interested?

> Who's interested?

I think I have the capacity (interest and computer-wise) to store the appropriate amount of stuff and burn off CD-Rs. If people are happy to let me be Mr Committed Organiser (someone better volunteer as back up :-) then drop me emails directly, and I'll compile a mailing list. ... And this is all with no intention of any kind of commercial release whatsoever, ja? Michael Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

--- Michael Upton <jet.jaguar@eudoramail.com> wrote:

quoted 15 lines On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:43:20 John Counts wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:43:20 John Counts wrote: > > > Who's interested? > > I think I have the capacity (interest and > computer-wise) to store the appropriate amount of > stuff and burn off CD-Rs. If people are happy to let > me be Mr Committed Organiser (someone better > volunteer as back up :-) then drop me emails > directly, and I'll compile a mailing list. > > ... And this is all with no intention of any kind of > commercial release whatsoever, ja? > > Michael

Excellent. Yes, no money- just fun. Well, maybe some money. I was thinking of, like, 1$ or the equivalent to cover the cost of the media- making it a non-profit venture. So, who starts? I was visualizing this process in my head during class and I ran into some difficulties. Okay, this is how I imagine it: The starting artist makes a CD-RW that contains the entire track and all necessary samples in wav. format. This CD-RW can be sent by mail to each "link" in the chain. However, my drive does not have multiread capability. In other words, the reflectivity of CD-RWs is too low for my drive to read. I can probably receive the samples via e-mail but a 40-60 MB wav. file is a little extreme. Would any other potential participants have this same problem? If anyone has any suggestions for my plight- shoot, I'm all ears. John BTW: Michael, I'll be your backup man in any way that I can. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

At 02:34 PM 9/8/99 -0500, mike javor wrote:

quoted 5 lines a word of caution to you enthusiasts: MAKE SURE YOU HAVE SOMEONE COMMITTED

> > >a word of caution to you enthusiasts: MAKE SURE YOU HAVE SOMEONE COMMITTED >TO ORGANIZING THE PROJECT. the remix disc took well over a year to >produce and nearly collapsed at several points.

whoa.. i really hope that comment wasn't directed towards me! You do realize that I didn't have to organize the project at all. i think it might be a better idea to say MAKE SURE YOUR ARTISTS DO THEIR TRACKS ON TIME. The organizer and only remind/bug/plead/etc so many times.. you can lead a horse to water...

Getting the ball rolling... I dig planning :) - I see a process like this: 1. Establish organizer - (Michael Upton stated he would) a. generate a list of the artists and tracks 2. Establish a location for the samples a. samples should be in MP3 format at 128k setting (like @ mp3.com) b. samples should be uploaded to a server and orgainzed by artist 3. an external (outside of IDM) list should be created for the project 4. rough time frames should be defined for each stage a. the stages will need to be outlined - covering the process 5. $ - yes the CD's should be sold - but since it probably won't make anyone much $$ at all - the cash should go to an international benefit or foundation - artist suggested and voted upon. 6. The cd should be sold on Mp3.com and can be sold by each artist (making your own CD) in terms of a server... I have one and will participate. What we will do is have a url where the participating artists will be able to upload and download the samples. I could possibly set up an FTP account - but I'd rather do this through the browser... I'll also participate with a track and remixing. As for a list - http://www.onelist.com will work for our needs. Well that's my 2 cents, hmm... I wrote 6 items, so that makes... 12 cents! AHHH Gideon Sonic Wallpaper http://www.sonicwallpaper.com http://www.mp3.com/sonicwallpaper

Ok, first things first, I think this should be taken off list. Sounds like some good ideas. So far names (and addresses) of potentially interested people I have are: jimg John Counts Andrew Duke Kurt B. Pruenner mtheuletant Gideon Marken Gideon's suggestion of www.onelist.com looks a goody, so I'll give it a couple of days and then get back to anyone listed above, plus anyone else who replies in the interim. Ta Michael Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

quoted 5 lines whoa.. i really hope that comment wasn't directed towards me! You do

>whoa.. i really hope that comment wasn't directed towards me! You do >realize that I didn't have to organize the project at all. >i think it might be a better idea to say MAKE SURE YOUR ARTISTS DO THEIR >TRACKS ON TIME. The organizer and only remind/bug/plead/etc so many times.. >you can lead a horse to water...

heh...i'm sure that what they wanted to say was: "it takes a boat-load of time and energy to put this together, so make sure that you have someone with no life, tons of patience, no external commitments, no job, etc." and yes, the original idm remix chain nearly fell apart several times, not because of any lack of organization from multsy, but because we all tend to be a bunch of assholes when you put us together in one place and try to decide in some democratic and fair way how to put it all together. it's a lot of work...yes, but the results, this time, turned out to be worth the effort i think. if you all are planning on doing something like this, i would suggest setting up a list like we did on onelist or egroups or something so as not to cause a bunch of extra list traffic. word. brian

hi there, i don't know if you're oversubcribed yet with artists to be involved with this, but i'd also love to be involved! cheers, mark [barkertrax] http://www.mp3.com/barkertrax

quoted 3 lines Ok, first things first, I think this should be taken off list.

>Ok, first things first, I think this should be taken off list. > >Sounds like some good ideas. So far names (and addresses) of potentially

interested people I have are:

quoted 9 lines jimg

> >jimg >John Counts >Andrew Duke >Kurt B. Pruenner >mtheuletant >Gideon Marken > >Gideon's suggestion of www.onelist.com looks a goody, so I'll give it a

couple of days and then get back to anyone listed above, plus anyone else who replies in the interim.

quoted 7 lines Ta

> >Ta > >Michael > > >Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail

account at http://www.eudoramail.com

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"brian r." wrote:

quoted 6 lines and yes, the original idm remix chain nearly fell apart several times,

> > and yes, the original idm remix chain nearly fell apart several times, > not because of any lack of organization from multsy, but because > we all tend to be a bunch of assholes when you put us together in > one place and try to decide in some democratic and fair way how > to put it all together.

Why if we put it another way? Not a chain, but an open project. Every participant may remix anything that's been contributed. This implies setting up a repository somewhere on the net, where every participant might store his version/add-ons/updates. After some time, when it's become enough stuff, items for the release will be selected by some democratic procedure. -- Stay tuned, MhZ

quoted 11 lines and yes, the original idm remix chain nearly fell apart several times,

> > and yes, the original idm remix chain nearly fell apart several times, > > not because of any lack of organization from multsy, but because > > we all tend to be a bunch of assholes when you put us together in > > one place and try to decide in some democratic and fair way how > > to put it all together. > Why if we put it another way? Not a chain, but an open project. Every > participant may remix anything that's been contributed. This implies > setting up a repository somewhere on the net, where every participant > might store his version/add-ons/updates. After some time, when it's > become enough stuff, items for the release will be selected by some > democratic procedure.

sorry to burst your bubble, but _that_ sounds like the ultimate recipe for disaster. people will procrastinate when you tell them what to do. imagine if they have to _choose_ what they want to remix on top of it. (not only that, but a few songs may be left unremixed, not because they're not good, but because the chain members aren't familiar with the artists involved & won't bother downloading the file. so you'll end up with 10 remixes of the same song, & 10 unremixed songs. might as well just make it an open compilation & that's it.) -- david

Hi david, david turgeon wrote:

quoted 11 lines Why if we put it another way? Not a chain, but an open project. Every

> > > Why if we put it another way? Not a chain, but an open project. Every > > participant may remix anything that's been contributed. This implies > > setting up a repository somewhere on the net, where every participant > > might store his version/add-ons/updates. After some time, when it's > > become enough stuff, items for the release will be selected by some > > democratic procedure. > > sorry to burst your bubble, but _that_ sounds like the ultimate recipe > for disaster. people will procrastinate when you tell them what to do. > imagine if they have to _choose_ what they want to remix on top of it.

The race factor might play here: if you're late, you may get lost as other people submit the satisfactory amount of tracks.

quoted 3 lines (not only that, but a few songs may be left unremixed, not because

> (not only that, but a few songs may be left unremixed, not because > they're not good, but because the chain members aren't familiar with the > artists involved & won't bother downloading the file.

To make compact preview versions isn't a big problem, I think.

quoted 3 lines so you'll end up

> so you'll end up > with 10 remixes of the same song, & 10 unremixed songs. might as well > just make it an open compilation & that's it.)

The open compilations usually just collect tracks without an interaction between authors. Here the opportunity of collaboration is introduced. Of course, the complete anarchy and half-bakedness shouldn't be accepted; it needs a careful handling and a feeling when to stop. Oh well. -- Stay tuned, MhZ