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1999-09-03 18:59Warp Yourself (idm) Cinematic Orchestra
1999-09-03 19:07phil Re: (idm) Cinematic Orchestra
1999-09-24 00:47Philip Sherburne (idm) cinematic orchestra
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1999-09-26 12:54dan hill (idm) cinematic orchestra
1999-10-18 21:38kurt (idm) Cinematic Orchestra
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1999-09-03 18:59Warp YourselfWhen can we expect a full length? I just heard "Channel One Suite" - amazing cinematic dow
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When can we expect a full length? I just heard "Channel One Suite" - amazing cinematic downtempo jazz inspired music. Is Channel One Suite representative of most of their work? Thanks much, David ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
1999-09-03 19:07philSeptember 14th Cinematic orchestra Full length titled Motion will be in stores...one of ou
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September 14th Cinematic orchestra Full length titled Motion will be in stores...one of our office favorites -phil ----------
quoted 5 lines From: "Warp Yourself" <idmr4real@hotmail.com>>From: "Warp Yourself" <idmr4real@hotmail.com> >To: ninjeff@generation.net, mclance@nacs.net, idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: (idm) Cinematic Orchestra >Date: Fri, Sep 3, 1999, 2:59 PM >
quoted 13 lines When can we expect a full length?> When can we expect a full length? > > I just heard "Channel One Suite" - amazing cinematic downtempo jazz inspired > music. Is Channel One Suite representative of most of their work? > > Thanks much, > > David > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >
1999-09-24 00:47Philip SherburneIt isn't IDM by a long stretch, but i just have to give some serious props to Cinematic Or
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It isn't IDM by a long stretch, but i just have to give some serious props to Cinematic Orchestra's new full-length on Ninja Tune. It's one of the best records I've heard in months. It's very much "jazz" -- whatever that means these days (incidentally, i'm noticing something like a "return to jazz" across the boards -- especially in house & downtempo). Apparently J. Swinscoe -- Cinematic Orchestra head -- creates samples & loops, which he then hands over to studio musicians, who learn & record those parts "live" (reminds me a bit of Raymond Scott's working method). Swinscoe then resamples & re-cuts up those bits, assembling final tracks. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong here -- that's the impression I get from the press release.) Anyway, the music. I can't write about jazz to save my life, but -- Beautiful, deep, underwater jazz... imagine some of Amon Tobin's sound sources, perhaps, pre-drum'n'bassification... Bits and pieces of Sketches of Spain, even Kind of Blue... The only thing that might keep it from being "real" jazz, perhaps, is that I think the chops aren't necessarily up to the Miles/Trane standard, but that's not really why you're buying the album, so don't complain. I mean, it's not jazz -- it's downtempo, played live (kinda), with heavy heavy jazz influence. It's records like this that make you throw up your hands at classification. Don't get hung up on the genre, just buy and enjoy. Production is stellar throughout -- an all-encompassing sound, total immersion, perfect blunted lying-around-the-house music. phil
1999-09-24 14:36Roy G Biv-- On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:47:16 Philip Sherburne wrote: >It isn't IDM by a long stretch, D
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-- On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:47:16 Philip Sherburne wrote:
quoted 1 line It isn't IDM by a long stretch,>It isn't IDM by a long stretch,
Damn you! How dare you bring this up on the list! Just kidding :) I think most of us are open-minded enough to handle a Ninja Tune release :)
quoted 2 lines but i just have to give some serious props>but i just have to give some serious props >to Cinematic Orchestra's new full-length on Ninja >Tune.
the track I heard on Zentonedada (ninja sampler comp) made me think of Portishead's music. lush, jazz heavy, downtempo/trip-hop. what i thought portishead's second album was going to sound like, but their sound became more stripped down instead of getting bigger and lusher. definately a nice track ..."hug-ee-ya, squeezy-ya" oops! can i mention Portishead on this list, or am I off topic? Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com
1999-09-26 12:54dan hillwith the recent talk of this album, thought i'd post up my review from motion ... hope you
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with the recent talk of this album, thought i'd post up my review from motion ... hope you don't mind. there's sounds accompanying the review at http://motion.state51.co.uk/reviews/417.html so you can have a listen too ... it's very very good, and sadly getting ignored by the dumb media over here (uk). cheers, dan. The Cinematic Orchestra Motion Ninja Tune The Cinematic Orchestra's 'Motion' (no relation) is a lovingly-crafted homage to the 60s jazz film soundtrack, refracted through the lens of contemporary sample culture. Though collaborative, this is definitely J Swinscoe's project, presenting supporting players with sampled loops to improvise around, recording and reconstructing the results. Whilst lesser musicians would end up with a soulless mess, Swinscoe's finesse for arrangement ensures remarkable coherence, 'live' without ever feeling the need to pretend that its not sampled. You can hear the process emerging - in the clipped decay of cymbal crashes, delayed-drenched vocal samples, Gil Evans-like strings, a distant telephone used as percussion on at least three tracks, echoing Morricone's Once Upon A Time In America - but these lipstick traces of technology are as seamlessly integrated into the sound as any other instrument. Never hidden, though never obvious. Vocals are employed smartly throughout, abstract rather than narrative, indiscernible lyrically, yet stylistically hugely evocative, effortlessly conjuring jazz diva. Indeed, instruments are used more for their sound than for their melodic potential - timbre drawn from early 60s soul jazz, mid 60s free jazz, early 70s jazz funk - providing an insight into Swinscoe's primary influences. As David Toop notes in Exotica, for "film composers such as John Barry and Ennio Morricone, the attraction of sensual depths of sound ... outweights any populist urges to tether listeners in the shallows of melody." It's a little previous to add Swinscoe to this illustrious company, but he is cleverly combining this favoured MO of film composers with sample-oriented music's focus on rhythm and texture as opposed to melody. Much of the beauty of this music is in texture: Swinscoe clearly appreciates the delicate shimmer of Bill Evans' piano or Gary Burton's vibes, Buddy Rich's fizzing drum sound, how Ray Brown's warm booming bass was fundamental to 60s jazz. The drums in particular are near-perfect, managing to capture the sound of a rampaging Elvin Jones, yet looping the playing into contemporary angular loops. The sampled/live players are Tom Chant, rendering dancing Shorteresque soprano sax, joined by Jamie Coleman (tpt/flg), Phil France (bs), T. Daniel Howard (ds), Saidi Kanba (perc), and Alex James (ac/el p). There are planned live dates, including a gig at The Directors Guild Lifetime Achievement Award ceremony for Stanley Kubrick - perhaps an indication of just how good this reconstruction of 60s jazz soundtrack is. 'Motion' is occasionally rather too smoothly constructed, caught in evoking a genre, rather than exploring underlying intentions. It nods towards mid-60s free jazz, particularly on 'Bluebirds', without ever touching the heights of Coltrane's Ascension - an unreasonable expectation of course, but there are several camps ploughing this furrow at the moment, and arguably Fridge/Four Tet, Squarepusher and Ponga are pushing the scene forward by not getting caught in simulacra. Yet it would be churlish to argue that this is not an innovative, exciting, exquisitely crafted yet soulful album, as it's all of these things. This fine album is probably just too jazz for the ignorant, impotent, rock-obsessed mainstream music press, but that's their loss. One of the albums of the year fer sure. Great title too ;) ---+ dan hill [state51] ---+ new reviews on motion [26.9.99]: < paul panhuysen | ellen fullman | pilote | keb darge's legendary deep funk vol.3 | osmosis > http://motion.state51.co.uk/ +---
1999-10-18 21:38kurtyeah, there was a flurry of comment about this one a couple weeks back, led me to pick up
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yeah, there was a flurry of comment about this one a couple weeks back, led me to pick up the thing. As someone who actually would listen to the kind of music this thing is based on (early sixties cooled out Gil Evans Orchestra, Coltrane rhythm section etc.), I find it underwhelming. The nice thing about the Cinematic Orchestra is that it really locates a particular moment in style, and is able to successfully convey its flavor. And, yeah, the dreaminess of the repetitions and the strangely treated vocals is a very nice touch. But it wears thin pretty fast for me, and then it just becomes stylized pastiche, suitable for your upscale lounge or coffee house, jazz for people who are troubled by sixteenth notes, a nice moody Gil Evans background album without any of those troublesome soloists.