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1999-04-13 03:27(idm) the revolution will be remixed
1999-04-13 21:25Rjyan C Kidwell (idm) the revolution will be remixed
└─ 1999-04-14 12:14Irene McC Re: (idm) the revolution will be remixed
1999-04-13 21:50Kelley Hackett (idm) the revolution will be remixed
├─ 1999-04-13 22:04Warren Lapham Re: (idm) the revolution will be remixed
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1999-04-13 03:27KumquatGoo@aol.com<<"provides funding for the Revolution." ? This is sarcasm, right?>> For the record, this
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<<"provides funding for the Revolution." ? This is sarcasm, right?>> For the record, this was indeed sarcasm. I just couldn't quite find it in my heart to use the winking emoticon convention ;) <<Generally, funds from drug deals go to support the BMW driving, Polo wearing, McDonald's eating, consumer based material, dollar ( fill in denomination ) spending white male hierarchy.>> Briefly, please explain how this works. I'm not saying that it's right or wrong, I'm just curious. Sorry if this conversation isn't obviously music-related (unless you're Simon Reynolds...oops, didn't mean to bring *him* up again). <<I'd start buying drugs if it helped fund the Revolution.....imagine, ecstacy dollars funding counter culture anti establishment warfare. Wow, what a day that'd be. Here's 30 bucks for my bunk pills, now go shoot a bank CEO with the money I just handed you.>> This is sarcasm, right? (from a different post) << hope this doesn't come off as reactionary, cuz i'm just as down with a economic revolution around here as the next guy, but i think this belief is a ridiculous attempt to justify a hedonistic lifestyle via some political fantasy.>> Actually, it was meant to be a ridiculous attempt at poking fun at Simon Reynolds. <<i mean, come on, first of all, how many poor people are getting addicted to various drugs, staying poor because they have to feed their habit or (and maybe this is worse) are using them as a substitute for productive thought or activity? i would have to say the sheer number of the underclass that get sacrificed in this supposed "subversion" of the rich is reason enough to throw out this philosophy. but secondly, by selling these kids drugs, you're only reinforcing their paralytic lifestyle... they're using their free time to turn their free will over to some chemicals, they're being purely hedonistic.>> Without in any way belittling the drug-related problems of the poor, some suspect that drug abuse can be found across all economic strata. As for "substitute for productive thought and activity" and "turning free will over," the first thing that comes to my mind is *television*. << if you enable this, you're reinforcing the same type of philosophy of inertia that keeps these kids from attempting to do anything about changing anything about their cushy lives, much less changing anything about the society that keepst he lives cushy.>> It's difficult to motivate change among the cushy people...what should we do? - fred church bigkumquat@aol.com
1999-04-13 21:25Rjyan C Kidwell>Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:27:16 EDT >From: KumquatGoo@aol.com >Subject: (idm) the revolut
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quoted 5 lines Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:27:16 EDT>Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:27:16 EDT >From: KumquatGoo@aol.com >Subject: (idm) the revolution will be remixed > >Without in any way belittling the drug-related problems of the poor,
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quoted 1 line suspect that drug abuse can be found across all economic strata.>suspect that drug abuse can be found across all economic strata.
oh, of course. i was just saying that, if the point is to jumpstart a revolution for the poor, drug use/abuse ends up hurting the poor, too. i'm in no way trying to say the problem is isolated there.
quoted 1 line As for "substitute for productive thought and activity" and "turning>As for "substitute for productive thought and activity" and "turning
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quoted 1 line will over," the first thing that comes to my mind is *television*.>will over," the first thing that comes to my mind is *television*.
i agree with you that tv is guilty of encouraging these things, but i think drug culture, and especially alcohol culture is just as bad as television in this respect. in regards to the quote from Ninja Tune, about drugs being a tool that can be misused, it just seems like i'd wanna check and see if my warranty on this one is still valid, and maybe take it back to Sears and get a set of Craftmaster screwdrivers or something instead. i was going to rant about this, but i'm not going to.
quoted 1 line It's difficult to motivate change among the cushy people...what should>It's difficult to motivate change among the cushy people...what should
we do? well, check out my pal James Joyce. the guy was all about the politics -- the Irish home-rule, the rights for women, the end of economic tyranny... but what could he do about any of this? besides educate himself as much as he could, and throw in his support here and there when the cause was rallied, there's not much James could do. so the badass makes art. art inspired by his contempt of the paralysis and hemiplegia he sees in the city he lives in, and how the state, the Church, the family, the economy all keep things stagnant. and it's not like he set out to write giant epics that exposed some massive truths that had been heretofore obscured... he wrote stories about everyday life, the most naturalistic and mundane plots, harsh realism. he chucked the rules and made his art his way, and he's recognized as one of the greatest, if not the greatest, literary rebel in history. yeah, so, despite what mr. reynolds says, i think my idm does make a difference. it's an honest attempt to make meaning out of the mess of experience i encounter in my mundane life... and if it doesn't inspire crowds to revolution, that's because it's not supposed to... i'm expressing my feelings because i feel a compulsion to do so, to "mediate in awful truth before the veiled face of god," as Joyce put it. if i was simply writing music as a form of propaganda, to get people to do what i want them to do (as opposed to offering up my perspective, my feelings, sharing my little bit of insight) i'd hardly call that art. it's a practical application of musical technique. but, who am i to define art, right? someone trying to open this can of worms on this list is bound to get called out into the street for an old-fashioned pistol duel, so i'll stop right there. but anyway, to paraphrase Daniel Quinn, a bad-ass if there ever was one: change doesn't come from people with old thinking and new programs. it comes from people with new thinking and no programs. my belief is that making progress with this civilization may not appear to be around the corner anytime soon, but if you bring a lucid and deliberate mind, sympathy for your fellow man and a healthy contempt of inertia to whatever we do, be it your art, your job, your education, your community, whatever, you've been a part of the revolution. (awww.... cue "we are the world", roll credits.) ,rj../ ___,"www.gl.umbc.edu/~nworth1 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
1999-04-14 12:14Irene McCOn 13 Apr 99, Rjyan C Kidwell wrote re: (idm) the revolution will be remixe: > i agree wit
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On 13 Apr 99, Rjyan C Kidwell wrote re: (idm) the revolution will be remixe:
quoted 3 lines i agree with you that tv is guilty of encouraging these> i agree with you that tv is guilty of encouraging these > things, but i think drug culture, and especially alcohol > culture is just as bad as television in this respect.
Ah yes : like the episode of Teletubbies which got into deep sh!t for alledgedly having the letter "e" drift merrily from the sky and land in this happy and lushly colourful land. And like Planet E, the kiddies club run by Edgars, a large local department store chain. And the large logo 'e' displayed at Engen petrol stations - drug 'culture' seeping into every level of everyday life. Names like "E-motion", "E-Legal" etc. aren't fooling anybody as just being 'clever' are they? And the Synergy New Year party, which drew a crowd of 25,000 had some local hip-hop outfit standing on the main stage at midnight rapping 'ecstasy, ecstasy, ecstasy' over and over - pretty unenlightening and going nowhere, actually ... I don't know what point I'm making here; but going to craft markets and seeing tie-dye bell bottoms on sale for the pre-teens also falls into this category - what was once the domain of acid trance hippies is now a fashion item for ten year olds. As the mother of two children, I've seen it all before - last time round - getting too darn old and cynical. As printed on a CD cover : Lyserge and Merge. Thrill and Chill. OUT. I *
1999-04-13 21:50Kelley HackettI am new to this list but dang it, I am glad that I subscribed---so far U cats have the mo
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I am new to this list but dang it, I am glad that I subscribed---so far U cats have the most intellectual conversations and discussions yet! I feel somewhat @ home(relaxed) Shall we continue: We, everyone who listens to music must begin to understand that music is a part of culture---just like art. Indispensable as it is pleasing, we should really begin to find ways in which we can make a true change! Our foolish shibboleths should be pitched, just like twe week old trash. Most of us gather our information from TV, and i could not agree with Rjyan more that we should treat the TV like a trash----Just pitch it! For the average mind feeds on media like a silk warm feeds on a mulberry tree(ha ha ha). We must find ways to make music work for people in a way that enlightens them and brings them consciousness..........As for me, cats like Sun Electric(thanks ORN!) John Beltran, Global Communication, Autechre, Plaid---and a host of others brings me peace of mind-------------. In this, I can think of what I want to think of and consequently, I am not told (or suggested )what to think(TV)! Of course drugs is a tricky word, and I dont think now is the time for me to discuss that. Still, we must find ways and avenues for the masses of people to be enlightened---not for the few---for this is how Oligarchies form---in the hands of the few! Please, feel more than free to hit me personally about the issue or just keep on posting them--but by all means keep the discussion alive---for it does relate to IDM------ Peace U cats, until tomorrow! O HIM B- JR!
1999-04-13 22:04Warren LaphamAt 05:50 PM 4/13/99 , Kelley Hackett wrote: >I am new to this list but dang it, I am glad
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At 05:50 PM 4/13/99 , Kelley Hackett wrote:
quoted 2 lines I am new to this list but dang it, I am glad that I subscribed---so far>I am new to this list but dang it, I am glad that I subscribed---so far >U cats have the most intellectual conversations and discussions yet!
Don't let that fool you--this thread easily contains some of the most well-thought-out arguments that I've ever seen on this list. Most disagreements seem to degenerate into a cousin of that Monty Python "Argument Clinic" sketch, perhaps with a bit more name-calling and elitism. Oh yes, mustn't forget the trainspotting. And the idolatry. We're all so damn contrarian! Moody, too... Sorry to burst your bubble...this is a worthwhile list, don't let me or anyone else tell you otherwise... :) -w. -- Warren Lapham wlapham@sigma6.com sigma6 Interactive Media conceive : construct : connect tm Spotter activation is not anticipated today.
1999-04-14 01:12Zenon M. Feszczak> We, everyone who listens to music must begin to understand that music is > a part of cul
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quoted 2 lines We, everyone who listens to music must begin to understand that music is> We, everyone who listens to music must begin to understand that music is > a part of culture---just like art.
..."like art"? Why only "like"? Artfully, 3
1999-04-14 23:34Crtrdge003@aol.comIn a message dated 4/13/99 3:54:05 PM Mountain Daylight Time, KHACKETT@aba.iupui.edu write
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In a message dated 4/13/99 3:54:05 PM Mountain Daylight Time, KHACKETT@aba.iupui.edu writes:
quoted 4 lines Of course drugs is a tricky word, and I dont think now is the time for> Of course drugs is a tricky word, and I dont think now is the time for > me to discuss that. Still, we must find ways and avenues for the masses > of people to be enlightened---not for the few---for this is how > Oligarchies form---in the hands of the few!
what sort of chaos would ensue if some wizard casted a spell on the entire world causing every living being to become intoxicated with a button of peyote? Would it be mass enlightenment? or mass histeria?