IDM Mailing Archive

1999-01-31 16:56thatcat@ix.netcom.comOn 01/31/99 12:33:40 you wrote: > >Hi, > >I know this is off-topic, but people here seem t

From:: <thatcat@ix.netcom.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:56:38 -0600 (CST)
Subject:: Re: (idm) multi-tempo sequencers?

On 01/31/99 12:33:40 you wrote:

quoted 19 lines Hi,

> >Hi, > >I know this is off-topic, but people here seem to know quite a bit about >software etc. (and what software various musicians use). > >I'm after a sequencer (win95) that can play multiple tracks at independant >tempos/bpms. Preferably in the Cubase sort of vein but allowing you to >change the speeds of different tracks independantly : does anyone know if >such a program exists. All of the sequencers i've come across to date only >have a single global tempo setting. > >I know you could achieve the same effect with audio software, but i want to >do it with midi (my computer is not fast enough, and i'm using a sampler >anyway!). > >I'm sure alot of the musicians here would be interested in such a program. > >Any leads much appreciated.

the only way i know of to do such a thing is to use an external sequencer or drum machine, and record its output at one bpm into a sequencer running at another bpm. you could also create a loop at a certain bpm, sample it and then have it loop by itself against your current sequence...then you could play other parts along to that loop without listening to your sequencer's metronome...as for programs that do this automatically, i don't think there are any...but perhaps motu's freestyle would let you do something like that? "a dream is worth a thousand pictures, the mouths of lampreys a thousand more..."

1999-02-01 17:18"tTm" lester <stepintime@juno.com>On Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:56:38 -0600 (CST) thatcat@ix.netcom.com writes: >On 01/31/99 12:33:

From:: <"tTm" lester <stepintime@juno.com>>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:18:30 -0800
Subject:: Re: (idm) multi-tempo sequencers?

On Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:56:38 -0600 (CST) thatcat@ix.netcom.com writes:

quoted 1 line On 01/31/99 12:33:40 you wrote:

>On 01/31/99 12:33:40 you wrote:

quoted 8 lines the only way i know of to do such a thing is to use an external

>the only way i know of to do such a thing is to use an external >sequencer or drum machine, and record its output at one bpm into a >sequencer running at another bpm. you could also create a loop at a >certain bpm, sample it and then have it loop by itself against your >current sequence...then you could play other parts along to that loop >without listening to your sequencer's metronome...as for programs that >do this automatically, i don't think there are any...but perhaps >motu's freestyle would let you do something like that?

well i don't mean to cloud your art vision, but i've heard someone try to do this and it sounds like shit. why bother? ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

1999-02-01 23:55Jon[tempos...] > well i don't mean to cloud your art vision, but i've heard someone try to >

From:: Jon <jon@jonx.clara.net>
To:: tTm lester <stepintime@juno.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 23:55:13 +0000
Subject:: Re: (idm) multi-tempo sequencers?

[tempos...]

quoted 2 lines well i don't mean to cloud your art vision, but i've heard someone try to

> well i don't mean to cloud your art vision, but i've heard someone try to > do this and it sounds like shit. why bother?

Wouldn't that depend on the tempos in qn? I'm sure there's a school of minimalism where you take 1 phrase and repeat it at two tempos slightly out (like 1 bpm or so?) - the "music" comes from the in-phase/out-of-phase stuff that goes on over time... Could also be fun to run, say 120bpm vs 90bpm maybe? (Nice simple fractions.) Might give it a shot - see what happens. Cheers, Jon

1999-02-02 04:39Danny FreerAt 11:55 PM 2/1/99 +0000, Jon wrote: >[tempos...] >> well i don't mean to cloud your art v

From:: Danny Freer <bluecalx@horsetrading.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 23:39:57 -0500
Subject:: (idm) What happened to Brian Eno? (was 'multi-tempo sequencers?')
Reply to:: Re: (idm) multi-tempo sequencers?

At 11:55 PM 2/1/99 +0000, Jon wrote:

quoted 10 lines [tempos...]

>[tempos...] >> well i don't mean to cloud your art vision, but i've heard someone try to >> do this and it sounds like shit. why bother? > >Wouldn't that depend on the tempos in qn? I'm sure there's a school of >minimalism where you take 1 phrase and repeat it at two tempos slightly >out (like 1 bpm or so?) - the "music" comes from the >in-phase/out-of-phase stuff that goes on over time... >Could also be fun to run, say 120bpm vs 90bpm maybe? (Nice simple >fractions.)

I believe Brian Eno did something like that on "Neroli".. and it was unspeakably boring. 58 minutes of synthy bell/chime sounds going in and out of sync with each other. It was mildly interesting for about 5 minutes.. 58 minutes, though, was torturous. I know he wrote some sort of explanation in the liner notes, but I don't have those anymore because I sold the CD (thank god). Jesus Christ, that was an awful album. What happened to Brian Eno? He used to be so good. He was great up until about the early/mid eighties.. and then he seemed to lose every bit of ingenuity. Were there any other people in the 70's that were doing stuff similar to Eno's "Another Green World" and "Before And After Science"? Or the "Healthy Colours I-IV" tracks on "The Essential Fripp&Eno", for that matter. I always liked those..

1999-02-02 04:46Sam FrankAnd he screwed up the Talking Heads. For that he will never be forgiven.

From:: Sam Frank <samuel.frank@yale.edu>
To:: Danny Freer <bluecalx@horsetrading.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 23:46:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject:: Re: (idm) What happened to Brian Eno? (was 'multi-tempo sequencers?')
Reply to:: (idm) What happened to Brian Eno? (was 'multi-tempo sequencers?')

And he screwed up the Talking Heads. For that he will never be forgiven.

1999-02-02 04:50laermsure, just my luck, i got an eno quote in my .sig so now i seem like Eno Groupie #6. oh we

From:: laerm <laerm@voicenet.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 23:50:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject:: Re: (idm) What happened to Brian Eno? (was 'multi-tempo sequencers?')
Reply to:: Re: (idm) What happened to Brian Eno? (was 'multi-tempo sequencers?')

sure, just my luck, i got an eno quote in my .sig so now i seem like Eno Groupie #6. oh well. On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Sam Frank wrote:

quoted 1 line And he screwed up the Talking Heads. For that he will never be forgiven.

> And he screwed up the Talking Heads. For that he will never be forgiven.

personally, i thought the talking heads were horrible until he got involved. kinda like how roxy music instantly stank after he left. and bowie's best albums were done with him. anyway, eno/byrne's _my life in the bush of ghosts_ is an absolute masterpiece. byrne's best work, maybe eno's. * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# "It's strange how you arrive at ideas, how thoughts consolidate themselves out of the most disparate and unlikely beginnings, and how often those beginnings are realizations from experience that something isn't possible (or alternately is possible but not interesting)." -- Brian Eno icq: 5562209

1999-02-02 05:35Jarmo LundgrenAbout what happened to Brian Eno in _real life_... I was in believe that he lives in Russi

From:: Jarmo Lundgren <japi@medusa.fi>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 07:35:02 +0200
Subject:: Re: (idm) What happened to Brian Eno?
Reply to:: (idm) What happened to Brian Eno? (was 'multi-tempo sequencers?')

About what happened to Brian Eno in _real life_... I was in believe that he lives in Russia, St. Petersburg nowadays. Could be someone else too... (Obviously in that city _do_ live a lot of other people too...) ---> jöx, AKA "Jarmo Lundgren" japi@medusa.fi http://surf.to/ddr "The sexual equality will be reality after the erogenic areas have been blown away!" - Penguin in "Batman Returns"

1999-02-02 13:08Peter Hollo> And he screwed up the Talking Heads. For that he will never be forgiven. Ha! What rot! R

From:: Peter Hollo <raven@fourplay.com.au>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 00:08:52 +1100
Subject:: Re: (idm) What happened to Brian Eno? (was 'multi-tempo sequencers?')

quoted 1 line And he screwed up the Talking Heads. For that he will never be forgiven.

> And he screwed up the Talking Heads. For that he will never be forgiven.

Ha! What rot! Remain in Light is their best album. "The Great Curve" is wonderful, polyphonic quasi-rapped vocal lines, amazing... The Eno/Cale album "Which Way Up?" is also great for intertwined vocal lines and great rhythms... -- Peter Hollo raven@fourplay.com.au http://www.fourplay.com.au/me.html FourPlay - Eclectic Electric String Quartet http://www.fourplay.com.au "Of course, dance music can be a music where you lie on your back and your brain cells dance" -Michael Karoli of Can, quoted in Wire mag.

1999-02-02 15:37Irene McCOn 3 Feb 99, Peter Hollo wrote re: Re: (idm) What happened to Brian En: > The Eno/Cale alb

From:: Irene McC <substar@iafrica.com>
To:: <raven@fourplay.com.au>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:37:48 +0200
Subject:: Re: (idm) What happened to Brian Eno?
Reply to:: Re: (idm) What happened to Brian Eno? (was 'multi-tempo sequencers?')

On 3 Feb 99, Peter Hollo wrote re: Re: (idm) What happened to Brian En:

quoted 2 lines The Eno/Cale album "Which Way Up?" is also great for intertwined vocal

> The Eno/Cale album "Which Way Up?" is also great for intertwined vocal > lines and great rhythms...

You are mistaken, young man :-) Title : _Wrong_ Way Up (Opal, 1990) this is truly pure pop - saved ONLY by the hauntingly beautiful track "Footsteps", all 3.11 mins of it. The rest is a genuine surprise coming from two such famed names. As for Remain In Light ::: it's brilliant. Fullstop. imo - of course. btw. The Wire listed Bang On A Can's Music for Airports in their Top albums for the year '98. I *

1999-02-02 16:03laermOn Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Irene McC wrote: > btw. The Wire listed Bang On A Can's Music for Airp

From:: laerm <laerm@voicenet.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:03:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject:: Re: (idm) What happened to Brian Eno?
Reply to:: Re: (idm) What happened to Brian Eno?

On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Irene McC wrote:

quoted 2 lines btw. The Wire listed Bang On A Can's Music for Airports in their

> btw. The Wire listed Bang On A Can's Music for Airports in their > Top albums for the year '98.

which actually was only eclipsed by their live show. * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# "It's strange how you arrive at ideas, how thoughts consolidate themselves out of the most disparate and unlikely beginnings, and how often those beginnings are realizations from experience that something isn't possible (or alternately is possible but not interesting)." -- Brian Eno icq: 5562209

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