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Hi, I know this is off-topic, but people here seem to know quite a bit about software etc. (and what software various musicians use). I'm after a sequencer (win95) that can play multiple tracks at independant tempos/bpms. Preferably in the Cubase sort of vein but allowing you to change the speeds of different tracks independantly : does anyone know if such a program exists. All of the sequencers i've come across to date only have a single global tempo setting. I know you could achieve the same effect with audio software, but i want to do it with midi (my computer is not fast enough, and i'm using a sampler anyway!). I'm sure alot of the musicians here would be interested in such a program. Any leads much appreciated. Cheers, Mark. http://freespace.virgin.net/mark.hadley/mark/go.html

On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, Mark Hadley wrote:

quoted 5 lines I'm after a sequencer (win95) that can play multiple tracks at independant

> I'm after a sequencer (win95) that can play multiple tracks at independant > tempos/bpms. Preferably in the Cubase sort of vein but allowing you to > change the speeds of different tracks independantly : does anyone know if > such a program exists. All of the sequencers i've come across to date only > have a single global tempo setting.

In LogicAudio, you can lock events to their SMPTE position, then change tempo at will. You can also stretch sequences. The bars/beats/ticks won't be correct afterward, but it will sound the same. I know that's not exactly what you're after, but it is the best approximation that I know about. (Can you do that in Cubase?) Apparently the MPC3000 (hardware sequencer/sampler) will allow 2 tempos. --Mark __ Burning Rome : SENSELESS CD on Mindfield Records MindCD03 Cathartium 14 > Distributed by Dutch East India Trading, Com Four, and Carrot Top < < http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome > < MP3 & RealAudio tracks >

On 01/31/99 12:33:40 you wrote:

quoted 19 lines Hi,

> >Hi, > >I know this is off-topic, but people here seem to know quite a bit about >software etc. (and what software various musicians use). > >I'm after a sequencer (win95) that can play multiple tracks at independant >tempos/bpms. Preferably in the Cubase sort of vein but allowing you to >change the speeds of different tracks independantly : does anyone know if >such a program exists. All of the sequencers i've come across to date only >have a single global tempo setting. > >I know you could achieve the same effect with audio software, but i want to >do it with midi (my computer is not fast enough, and i'm using a sampler >anyway!). > >I'm sure alot of the musicians here would be interested in such a program. > >Any leads much appreciated.

the only way i know of to do such a thing is to use an external sequencer or drum machine, and record its output at one bpm into a sequencer running at another bpm. you could also create a loop at a certain bpm, sample it and then have it loop by itself against your current sequence...then you could play other parts along to that loop without listening to your sequencer's metronome...as for programs that do this automatically, i don't think there are any...but perhaps motu's freestyle would let you do something like that? "a dream is worth a thousand pictures, the mouths of lampreys a thousand more..."

On Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:56:38 -0600 (CST) thatcat@ix.netcom.com writes:

quoted 1 line On 01/31/99 12:33:40 you wrote:

>On 01/31/99 12:33:40 you wrote:

quoted 8 lines the only way i know of to do such a thing is to use an external

>the only way i know of to do such a thing is to use an external >sequencer or drum machine, and record its output at one bpm into a >sequencer running at another bpm. you could also create a loop at a >certain bpm, sample it and then have it loop by itself against your >current sequence...then you could play other parts along to that loop >without listening to your sequencer's metronome...as for programs that >do this automatically, i don't think there are any...but perhaps >motu's freestyle would let you do something like that?

well i don't mean to cloud your art vision, but i've heard someone try to do this and it sounds like shit. why bother? ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

At 11:55 PM 2/1/99 +0000, Jon wrote:

quoted 10 lines [tempos...]

>[tempos...] >> well i don't mean to cloud your art vision, but i've heard someone try to >> do this and it sounds like shit. why bother? > >Wouldn't that depend on the tempos in qn? I'm sure there's a school of >minimalism where you take 1 phrase and repeat it at two tempos slightly >out (like 1 bpm or so?) - the "music" comes from the >in-phase/out-of-phase stuff that goes on over time... >Could also be fun to run, say 120bpm vs 90bpm maybe? (Nice simple >fractions.)

I believe Brian Eno did something like that on "Neroli".. and it was unspeakably boring. 58 minutes of synthy bell/chime sounds going in and out of sync with each other. It was mildly interesting for about 5 minutes.. 58 minutes, though, was torturous. I know he wrote some sort of explanation in the liner notes, but I don't have those anymore because I sold the CD (thank god). Jesus Christ, that was an awful album. What happened to Brian Eno? He used to be so good. He was great up until about the early/mid eighties.. and then he seemed to lose every bit of ingenuity. Were there any other people in the 70's that were doing stuff similar to Eno's "Another Green World" and "Before And After Science"? Or the "Healthy Colours I-IV" tracks on "The Essential Fripp&Eno", for that matter. I always liked those..

And he screwed up the Talking Heads. For that he will never be forgiven.

sure, just my luck, i got an eno quote in my .sig so now i seem like Eno Groupie #6. oh well. On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Sam Frank wrote:

quoted 1 line And he screwed up the Talking Heads. For that he will never be forgiven.

> And he screwed up the Talking Heads. For that he will never be forgiven.

personally, i thought the talking heads were horrible until he got involved. kinda like how roxy music instantly stank after he left. and bowie's best albums were done with him. anyway, eno/byrne's _my life in the bush of ghosts_ is an absolute masterpiece. byrne's best work, maybe eno's. * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# "It's strange how you arrive at ideas, how thoughts consolidate themselves out of the most disparate and unlikely beginnings, and how often those beginnings are realizations from experience that something isn't possible (or alternately is possible but not interesting)." -- Brian Eno icq: 5562209

About what happened to Brian Eno in _real life_... I was in believe that he lives in Russia, St. Petersburg nowadays. Could be someone else too... (Obviously in that city _do_ live a lot of other people too...) ---> jöx, AKA "Jarmo Lundgren" japi@medusa.fi http://surf.to/ddr "The sexual equality will be reality after the erogenic areas have been blown away!" - Penguin in "Batman Returns"

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quoted 16 lines On Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:56:38 -0600 (CST) thatcat@ix.netcom.com writes:

> > On Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:56:38 -0600 (CST) thatcat@ix.netcom.com writes: > >On 01/31/99 12:33:40 you wrote: > > >the only way i know of to do such a thing is to use an external > >sequencer or drum machine, and record its output at one bpm into a > >sequencer running at another bpm. you could also create a loop at a > >certain bpm, sample it and then have it loop by itself against your > >current sequence...then you could play other parts along to that loop > >without listening to your sequencer's metronome...as for programs that > >do this automatically, i don't think there are any...but perhaps > >motu's freestyle would let you do something like that? > > well i don't mean to cloud your art vision, but i've heard someone try to > do this and it sounds like shit. why bother? >

i'm just answering someone else's question about how it could be done...anyway, just because the person you know couldn't make it work doesn't mean that someone else couldn't do something good with it...i'd be surprised if autechre haven't done stuff like this...