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1999-01-08 19:44Philip Sherburne (idm) pole
├─ 1999-01-10 09:47Irene McC (idm) ok, so pole = dub
├─ 1999-01-10 14:08Sebastian Herrfurth Re: (idm) pole
└─ 1999-01-11 00:00Michael Upton Re: (idm) pole and dub
└─ 1999-01-11 00:30Hrvåtski/RKK Re: (idm) pole and dub
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1999-01-08 19:44Philip Sherburne>>STILL unable to get hold of CD1/LP1 here, but the track "Tanzen" is >> included on !K7's
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quoted 1 line STILL unable to get hold of CD1/LP1 here, but the track "Tanzen" is>>STILL unable to get hold of CD1/LP1 here, but the track "Tanzen" is
>> included on !K7's recent double CD set "Freestyle Files - Crackers >> Delight". This is the only Pole I've heard so far - is it indicative of >> the rest of his work? I was under the impression that it was quite >> dubby? (which I cannot say of Tanzen). Well, Irene, that depends, I suppose. None of Pole's work is as dubby as Maurizio, say, or Maurizio's Rhythm & Sound projects. I detect the dub influence in Pole as being something deep and submerged (true to form for the BC/CR folks, I really can't describe Pole without resorting to acquatic metaphor). On some tracks it's no more than a shadow; on some the bassline is pretty much straight up dub, but without the rest of the instrumental/formal trappings (backbeat riddim, skank guitar scratch, etc.). To the best of my knowledge, Pole has claimed not to have directly been influenced by dub, but rather to have picked it up secondhand through his BC/CR mates.. Given the heavy dub feel of his recent live show, I'll let you debate that. Interestingly, Richie Hawtin made the same claim in a recent interview (soon to go up on Urban Sounds)--that he's never been a dub listener or enthusiast. He laughs that some PR person wrote in a press release that he'd been influenced by King Tubby, or someone, who he'd never heard of at the time. Frankly, I doubt it a bit (given how dubby Consumed/concept are), but if true, it's an interesting point: it indicates how deeply entrenched dub structures are in techno... enough so that they've left their "home genre" and migrated to an entirely new space. phil ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
1999-01-10 09:47Irene McCOn 8 Jan 99, Philip Sherburne wrote re: (idm) pole: > enough so that they've left their "h
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On 8 Jan 99, Philip Sherburne wrote re: (idm) pole:
quoted 2 lines enough so that they've left their "home genre" and migrated to an> enough so that they've left their "home genre" and migrated to an > entirely new space.
Hmmm, interesting take on the DUB issue. I love dub and although Tanzen* did not immediately strike me as out and out dub, on further listening due to the list's comments, it's all a question of volume :-) and once it's up and pumping that bassline most definitely has dub written all over it. I enjoy the dub elements in all kinds of music : it certainly has permeated across the board. Outstanding example is David Holmes' Slashers Revenge. Mmm! ( * for the non-Germans, "Tanzen" means "to dance") I *
1999-01-10 14:08Sebastian HerrfurthHi, On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Philip Sherburne wrote: > To the best of my knowledge, Pole has cl
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Hi, On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Philip Sherburne wrote:
quoted 3 lines To the best of my knowledge, Pole has claimed not to have directly been> To the best of my knowledge, Pole has claimed not to have directly been > influenced by dub, but rather to have picked it up secondhand through > his BC/CR mates..
not even that. I read several interviews and everytime he claims having not heard anything from BC/CR before he started working for D&M. And most (all ?) of LP1 and Raum1/Raum2 was recorded prior to that. Bye Sebastian -- Sebastian Herrfurth (seher@cs.tu-berlin.de) pages for Bernd Friedmann / Riz Maslen / Daniel Meier / DJ Krush / ... at http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~seher/music.html
1999-01-11 00:00Michael UptonOn Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Philip Sherburne wrote: | To the best of my knowledge, Pole has claime
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On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Philip Sherburne wrote: | To the best of my knowledge, Pole has claimed not to have directly been | influenced by dub, but rather to have picked it up secondhand through | his BC/CR mates.. Given the heavy dub feel of his recent live show, | I'll let you debate that. Interestingly, Richie Hawtin made the same | claim in a recent interview (soon to go up on Urban Sounds)--that he's | never been a dub listener or enthusiast. He laughs that some PR person | wrote in a press release that he'd been influenced by King Tubby, or | someone, who he'd never heard of at the time. Frankly, I doubt it a bit | (given how dubby Consumed/concept are), but if true, it's an interesting | point: it indicates how deeply entrenched dub structures are in | techno... enough so that they've left their "home genre" and migrated to | an entirely new space. Well, it doesn't really surprise me too much. Drenching percussion in echoes, which is often what people are thinking of when they refer to dubbiness, has happened all over the show in electronic music, from Tangerine Dream to, jeez, Human League, or whatever. I think I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to my definition of dub. If it doesn't have reggae influences, but has dub effects I might say as much ("uses dub-style effects")... Having said that, yeah, there are a couple of tracks on 'CD1', including 'Tanzen', that reminds me a lot of dub. Michael ____________________________________________ "Also, he has automatic evasion devices" http://www.vuw.ac.nz/~michael/jj.html
1999-01-11 00:30Hrvåtski/RKK>On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Philip Sherburne wrote: > >| To the best of my knowledge, Pole has cl
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quoted 5 lines On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Philip Sherburne wrote:>On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Philip Sherburne wrote: > >| To the best of my knowledge, Pole has claimed not to have directly been >| influenced by dub, but rather to have picked it up secondhand through >| his BC/CR mates..
Pole's music IS dub. Whether he's aware of the rhetoric or not. I saw him live (great by the way) In a concrete room in Williamsburg. He stood behind a giant mixing desk (48 channels). He had a sampler, a laptop & some basic FX. Each sound of each tune went through it's own channel. For performance activities, he fucked w/the EQ, panning, and aux sends, bringing in delays, feedback, reverbs (it was rumoured that he had actually brought a plate w/him, although they're kind of big & I couldn't spot one) and whatnot. Closest thing to Osbourne/Scientist/Scratch/etc... imaginable. And he did it live, efectively putting a performance face on an otherwise studio craft. Can't imagine he does it much differently at home. -Våt. ____________________ Reckankreuzungsklankewerkzeuge PO BOX 382864. Cambridge, MA 02238 http://www.tiac.net/users/sheket/index.html