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1998-10-19 21:29Guy Elden, Jr. (idm) Judge bans digital music device
├─ 1998-10-19 21:34Guy Elden, Jr. Re: (idm) Judge bans digital music device
└─ 1998-10-19 22:16Jeremy Wells Re: (idm) Judge bans digital music device
├─ 1998-10-19 23:08Lazlo Nibble Re: (idm) Judge bans digital music device
│ └─ 1998-10-20 00:51Jeremy Wells Re: (idm) Judge bans digital music device
└─ 1998-10-19 23:49(idm) Re: Judge bans... and Newbuild
1998-10-20 01:58william ratke Re: (idm) Judge bans digital music device
1998-10-20 02:28ali Re: (idm) Judge bans digital music device
1998-10-20 13:57Christopher Fahey (idm) Judge bans digital music device
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1998-10-19 21:29Guy Elden, Jr.Take note MP3 traderz, you're going to go to jail! =:^p http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/
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Take note MP3 traderz, you're going to go to jail! =:^p http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9810/19/internet.music.ap/ -- jr
1998-10-19 21:34Guy Elden, Jr.> Take note MP3 traderz, you're going to go to jail! =:^p > And please note, I'm absolutel
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quoted 2 lines Take note MP3 traderz, you're going to go to jail! =:^p> Take note MP3 traderz, you're going to go to jail! =:^p >
And please note, I'm absolutely in favor of Diamond winning on this one, since I would like nothing less than to see them stick it to the greedy bastards at Virgin, Sony, BMG, etc. -- jr
1998-10-19 22:16Jeremy WellsLeave it to the greedy music industry to dictate what technology can be used to distribute
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Leave it to the greedy music industry to dictate what technology can be used to distribute sound recordings. What is being overlooked here is that MP3s offer small-time, low budget artists the ability to be heard by many people through distribution on the Internet. RIAA wants proprietary, encrypted technologies to be used on all on-line music recordings--thereby locking the smaller artist out from being able to distribute their music online. The ridiculousness of this ban comes to light when you realize that a portable laptop or even a handheld computing device that can play back MP3 files does not violate any laws, yet is nearly identical to the Diamond player. What really pisses me off is that most of the music that we all listen to comes from small labels that are not represented at all by the RIAA. Same goes for organizations such as BMI and ASCAP. The RIAA, BMI, and ASCAP were created for the greedy by the greedy and designed to screw the little guy. -Jeremy ----------------------------------------------------- "You have come for knowledge. There will be pleasure. Because knowledge is sexy. There will also be pain. Because knowledge is torture." - Jeff Noon, "Vurt" http://users.owt.com/conflux ----------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Guy Elden, Jr. wrote:
quoted 7 lines Take note MP3 traderz, you're going to go to jail! =:^p> Take note MP3 traderz, you're going to go to jail! =:^p > > http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9810/19/internet.music.ap/ > > -- > jr >
1998-10-19 23:08Lazlo NibbleOn Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 03:16:51PM -0700, Jeremy Wells wrote: > The ridiculousness of this
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On Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 03:16:51PM -0700, Jeremy Wells wrote:
quoted 4 lines The ridiculousness of this ban comes to light when you realize that a> The ridiculousness of this ban comes to light when you realize that a > portable laptop or even a handheld computing device that can play back > MP3 files does not violate any laws, yet is nearly identical to the > Diamond player.
The law in question only applies to devices that are primarily used for music recording and playback. The Rio qualifies; handhelds and laptops don't.
quoted 2 lines The RIAA, BMI, and ASCAP were created for the greedy by the greedy and> The RIAA, BMI, and ASCAP were created for the greedy by the greedy and > designed to screw the little guy.
<shrug> No argument there, but Diamond knew they were gambling on the law being interpreted in their favor. When you gamble, sometimes you lose. -- Lazlo Nibble | "There's no moral, Uncle Remus, just lazlo@swcp.com | random acts of meaningless violence." http://www.swcp.com/lazlo | -- Michael O'Donoghue
1998-10-20 00:51Jeremy WellsDiamond should have incorporated some sort of PDA function in the RIO to get around the wa
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Diamond should have incorporated some sort of PDA function in the RIO to get around the way the law is written. -Jeremy ----------------------------------------------------- "You have come for knowledge. There will be pleasure. Because knowledge is sexy. There will also be pain. Because knowledge is torture." - Jeff Noon, "Vurt" http://users.owt.com/conflux ----------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Lazlo Nibble wrote:
quoted 21 lines On Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 03:16:51PM -0700, Jeremy Wells wrote:> On Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 03:16:51PM -0700, Jeremy Wells wrote: > > > The ridiculousness of this ban comes to light when you realize that a > > portable laptop or even a handheld computing device that can play back > > MP3 files does not violate any laws, yet is nearly identical to the > > Diamond player. > > The law in question only applies to devices that are primarily used for music > recording and playback. The Rio qualifies; handhelds and laptops don't. > > > The RIAA, BMI, and ASCAP were created for the greedy by the greedy and > > designed to screw the little guy. > > <shrug> No argument there, but Diamond knew they were gambling on the law > being interpreted in their favor. When you gamble, sometimes you lose. > > -- > Lazlo Nibble | "There's no moral, Uncle Remus, just > lazlo@swcp.com | random acts of meaningless violence." > http://www.swcp.com/lazlo | -- Michael O'Donoghue >
1998-10-19 23:49mike@hyperreal.orgJeremy Wells wrote: > RIAA wants proprietary, encrypted technologies to be used on all on-
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Jeremy Wells wrote:
quoted 2 lines RIAA wants proprietary, encrypted technologies to be used on all on-line> RIAA wants proprietary, encrypted technologies to be used on all on-line > music recordings
The RIAA doesn't know what it wants. Michael Robertson's editorials on MP3.com make it pretty clear that the RIAA is only trying to stifle the free exchange of music on the net in an effort to buy themselves time to develop their own solution that protects their revenue streams. As far as I know, the RIAA hasn't offered any serious proposals of its own, aside from legislation that gives them leverage to effectively tax any technology that could be used for piracy, and to sue whoever they think is costing them revenue through their traditional streams. What needs to happen is for someone to promote a music distribution model that works with emerging technologies and that the labels, RIAA-represented and not, can benefit from without anyone getting screwed. (And "all music should be distributed freely" is not an option; it's akin to saying "all intellectual property should be in the public domain" or trusting the entire world to be nice.) Unfortunately, the RIAA is too short-sighted to come up with a good strategy, and will probably resist and go down kicking and screaming when someone else does.
quoted 2 lines The RIAA, BMI, and ASCAP were created for the greedy by the greedy and> The RIAA, BMI, and ASCAP were created for the greedy by the greedy and > designed to screw the little guy.
Granted, none of the A's in RIAA stand for Artists, and they have little purpose other than to act as protectionist lobbyists and lawyers for the major labels. But.. Your assessment of BMI and ASCAP is half right. They were originally designed to protect the little guy. There was a time when if you wrote or your label issued a good song, somebody else with more money and influence would swipe it, record their own version and make gobs of money off it while you were lucky to get paid once for it, if it all. So these organizations did (and do) protect the original writers of songs that make money. However in practice, these organizations now screw the little guys because the fees they collect mostly get handed over to the relative handful of songwriters who had the biggest hits. Basically they're all the music mafia, they all suck, and this has little to do with IDM so I'm going to change the topic. Someone mentioned Newbuild recently. The www.808state.com site mentions that in October, "Newbuild is to be re-released on vinyl and CD through Rephlex in the UK accompanied by a single." Exciting for some, and disappointing to us snobby trainspotters clutching our original, mint vinyl. October's two-thirds over. Any sign of the release yet? - Mike ______________________________________________________________________ Mike Brown / Hyperreal | Director, Hyperreal Music Archive PO Box 61334 | http://www.hyperreal.org/music/ Denver CO 80206-8334 USA |
1998-10-20 01:58william ratkeits really terrible since theres nothing for the consumer to do but watch it out, i wrote
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its really terrible since theres nothing for the consumer to do but watch it out, i wrote a lengthy email to the head of riaa and the legal representatives for riaa, but what the bloody fuch do they care, their a bunch of $$ dildos , along with all the shite like garth brooks that they represent..... frustrating.... _william
quoted 43 lines Leave it to the greedy music industry to dictate what technology can be> > > > > > Leave it to the greedy music industry to dictate what technology can be > > > used to distribute sound recordings. > > > > > > What is being overlooked here is that MP3s offer small-time, low budget > > > artists the ability to be heard by many people through distribution on the > > > Internet. > > > > > > RIAA wants proprietary, encrypted technologies to be used on all on-line > > > music recordings--thereby locking the smaller artist out from being able > > > to distribute their music online. > > > > > > The ridiculousness of this ban comes to light when you realize that a > > > portable laptop or even a handheld computing device that can play back > > > MP3 files does not violate any laws, yet is nearly identical to the > > > Diamond player. > > > > > > What really pisses me off is that most of the music that we all listen to > > > comes from small labels that are not represented at all by the RIAA. > > > Same goes for organizations such as BMI and ASCAP. > > > > > > The RIAA, BMI, and ASCAP were created for the greedy by the greedy and > > > designed to screw the little guy. > > > > > > -Jeremy > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > "You have come for knowledge. There will be pleasure. > > > Because knowledge is sexy. There will also be pain. > > > Because knowledge is torture." - Jeff Noon, "Vurt" > > > http://users.owt.com/conflux > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Guy Elden, Jr. wrote: > > > > > > > Take note MP3 traderz, you're going to go to jail! =:^p > > > > > > > > http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9810/19/internet.music.ap/ > > > > > > > > -- > > > > jr > > > > > >
1998-10-20 02:28aliyou all shouldn't be TOO worried about this. as silly as this lawsuit is, even if the RIO
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you all shouldn't be TOO worried about this. as silly as this lawsuit is, even if the RIO gets banned (which i doubt), the US can't control what diamond does in other countries, and it should be relatively easy to get a gray market import from the UK and such once these things become available. also there are other manufacturers, not all of which are based in the states. in fact there is one you can buy right now from korea (www.mpman.com), though it is a bit pricey. the only thing the riaa is doing is delaying the inevitable. they want royalties from these manufacturers? that wouldn't be such a bad idea except that only the major labels will actually see any $$. i really doubt mp3s will cause the destruction of major labels... but one can always hope. :) a good web site to follow this sort of stuff is http://www.mp3.com . this site also seems to have a lot of mp3 electronica for download. has anyone been brave enough to try them yet? let me know... -ali ---william ratke <adroxy@telusplanet.net> wrote:
quoted 3 lines its really terrible since theres nothing for the consumer to do but> > its really terrible since theres nothing for the consumer to do but > watch it out, i wrote a lengthy email to the head of riaa and the
legal
quoted 1 line representatives for riaa, but what the bloody fuch do they care,> representatives for riaa, but what the bloody fuch do they care,
their
quoted 5 lines a bunch of $$ dildos , along with all the shite like garth brooks that> a bunch of $$ dildos , along with all the shite like garth brooks that > they represent..... frustrating.... _william > > > > > > > > > Leave it to the greedy music industry to dictate what
technology can be
quoted 3 lines used to distribute sound recordings.> > > > used to distribute sound recordings. > > > > > > > > What is being overlooked here is that MP3s offer small-time,
low budget
quoted 1 line artists the ability to be heard by many people through> > > > artists the ability to be heard by many people through
distribution on the
quoted 3 lines Internet.> > > > Internet. > > > > > > > > RIAA wants proprietary, encrypted technologies to be used on
all on-line
quoted 1 line music recordings--thereby locking the smaller artist out from> > > > music recordings--thereby locking the smaller artist out from
being able
quoted 3 lines to distribute their music online.> > > > to distribute their music online. > > > > > > > > The ridiculousness of this ban comes to light when you realize
that a
quoted 1 line portable laptop or even a handheld computing device that can> > > > portable laptop or even a handheld computing device that can
play back
quoted 1 line MP3 files does not violate any laws, yet is nearly identical> > > > MP3 files does not violate any laws, yet is nearly identical
to the
quoted 3 lines Diamond player.> > > > Diamond player. > > > > > > > > What really pisses me off is that most of the music that we
all listen to
quoted 1 line comes from small labels that are not represented at all by the> > > > comes from small labels that are not represented at all by the
RIAA.
quoted 3 lines Same goes for organizations such as BMI and ASCAP.> > > > Same goes for organizations such as BMI and ASCAP. > > > > > > > > The RIAA, BMI, and ASCAP were created for the greedy by the
greedy and
quoted 22 lines designed to screw the little guy.> > > > designed to screw the little guy. > > > > > > > > -Jeremy > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > > "You have come for knowledge. There will be pleasure. > > > > Because knowledge is sexy. There will also be pain. > > > > Because knowledge is torture." - Jeff Noon, "Vurt" > > > > http://users.owt.com/conflux > > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Guy Elden, Jr. wrote: > > > > > > > > > Take note MP3 traderz, you're going to go to jail! =:^p > > > > > > > > > > http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9810/19/internet.music.ap/ > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > jr > > > > > > > > >
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1998-10-20 13:57Christopher Fahey>What is being overlooked here is that MP3s offer small-time, low budget >artists the abil
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quoted 3 lines What is being overlooked here is that MP3s offer small-time, low budget>What is being overlooked here is that MP3s offer small-time, low budget >artists the ability to be heard by many people through distribution on the >Internet.
This is exactly Diamond's defense. When I *first* heard about this device the only thing I could think of was how I and millions of others could (and certainly would) use it for pirating piles of music, possibly never paying for music ever again. For a brief moment, I had sympathy for the record companies. But Diamond's defense is overwhelmingly potent - free speech and distribuation thereof beats corporate profitability (or even viability) any day. - Cf ' - . _ . - ' ^ ' - . _ . - ' ^ ' - . _ . - c h r i s t ø p h e r f ª h e y . _ . - ' ^ ' - . _ . - ' ^ ' - . _ . - ' ^ chris@raremedium.com 2 1 2 - 6 3 4 - 6 9 5 0 x 2 5 8 http://www.raremedium.com - ' ^ ' - . _ . - ' ^ ' - . _ . - ' ^ ' - .