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1998-09-04 06:05Christopher Fahey (idm) Spiralmania!
└─ 1998-09-04 12:05foo chicken some non-reviews and (idm) Spiralmania!
└─ 1998-09-04 15:13laerm Re: some non-reviews and (idm) Spiralmania!
1998-09-04 09:19rod a lester Re: (idm) Spiralmania!
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1998-09-04 06:05Christopher FaheyAll this infinite record stuff is driving my little brain batty.... (you must view this in
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Fri, 4 Sep 1998 02:05:57 -0400
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(idm) Spiralmania!
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All this infinite record stuff is driving my little brain batty.... (you must view this in a fixed-pitch font) --------------------- A turntable spins this way: /^^^^^^^^\ / \ / \ | /\ | | \/ V \ \ \___ --------------------- A inward-playing groove for a forward spinning turntable looks like this: a) /^^^^^^^\ / /^^^\ \ / / \ \ | | /\ | | | | | | | \ \__/ / / \ / / \____/ / --------------------- A outward-playing groove for a forward spinning turntable looks like this: b) /^^^^^^^\ / /^^^\ \ / / \ \ | | /\ | | | | | | | \ \ \__/ / \ \ / \ \____/ --------------------- To connect the end of a) to the start of b) at the center of the record (and to connect the beginnings on the outside edge) still looks impossible to me without crossing grooves many times. c) /^^^^^^^^^\ / /^^^^\ \ / / /^^^^\^\ \ | | | /\ | | | \ | \_|_/ | | | \ \ \__/ / / \__\______/ / \______/ --------------------- BTW, I'm not even stoned. --------------------- ' - . _ . - ' ^ ' - . _ . - ' ^ ' - . _ . - c h r i s t ø p h e r f ª h e y . _ . - ' ^ ' - . _ . - ' ^ ' - . _ . - ' ^ chris@raremedium.com 2 1 2 - 6 3 4 - 6 9 5 0 x 2 5 8 http://www.raremedium.com - ' ^ ' - . _ . - ' ^ ' - . _ . - ' ^ ' - .
1998-09-04 12:05foo chickenHey, nice ascii art! you deserve a prize! I've thought about this too, and it seems pretty
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foo chicken
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Fri, 4 Sep 1998 05:05:36 -0700 (PDT)
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some non-reviews and (idm) Spiralmania!
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Hey, nice ascii art! you deserve a prize! I've thought about this too, and it seems pretty damn impossible unless there's magic involved. Which really wouldn't surprise me. okay, now for the prize: I'm actually going to post something relevant -- I've wanted to post many reviews before, but I can never seem to translate music to words. So I'm going to babble on at length about some music I like: download: whoever said they weren't IDM was wrong. I'm beginning to like download a lot, even though they can be a little cheesy, their music is almost always "good." I definitely like "Eyes of stanley pain" and "Charlie's family" better than "III", although they're all good. charlie's is probably the best, mostly because it's one of the most fucked up and weird things I've ever heard, and I like things like that. eyes is good as well for "industrial noise" content, and also has some truly messed up sounds. III just seems like they decided to eliminate the industrial noise and just stick to techno with good beats. I like the others better mainly because I don't have a lot of similar stuff, while III is more standard. oh yeah - is skinny puppy worth investigating? meat beat: I managed to score a promo of the new album, and after repeated listening, it's pretty damn great. there's even a great, funky jazz number on there that I just love. jack has managed to combine everything great about "original fire" yet retain some of the "subliminal sandwich" style that we know and love. I can't say that there's much about it reminds of his early works, ala the classic "Storm the Studio" and "99%" (more 99% than STS for sure) but that's okay, because it still kicks ass. if you're masochistic, there are some mp3 samples up at the brainwashed site (http://www.brainwashed.com/mbm/) (warning: may require repeated listenings to enjoy) some other things rotating these days: "audio cynicism" by steel on mille plateaux. I must say, from electric ladyland i-iv to this (and not much else I will admit) i've never heard anything from mille plateaux I didn't grow to like. This one isn't very experimental, and the songs may not be super original, but I'll be damned if it doesn't have good beats. worth mentioning, but not essential. test dept: another great industrial band that has ventured into the vast arena of IDM. their latest "tactics for evolution" may be a predictable drum and bass rip off, but at least they did it will. only for completists methinks. however the album which first saw them departing industrial was "totality" and it remains the best. Lots of great breakbeats, some nice wailing and totally original -- it made me an avid fan, and I highly recommend it. it is, in fact, worthy of an actual review, so i'll listen to it again and send an update. totality remixes seem to be some good/lame (I can't decide) punding house and techno numbers. nocturnal emissions: i'm not sure if they're IDM or not, but I really love them. Your mileage may vary. When I first heard them, I wasn't sure whether to hate them or them, and wondered how bad music could ever be so good. You know a band is on to something when they make you love what you would normally hate -- I'm not really sure I can recommend a starting point since they're all so different and there's no way that I could say one is any better than another. except for "binary tribe," which would be a pretty bad introduction. I would say viral shedding, or Autonomia -- probably not love and revolution either. Stoneface is good if you are into ambient. enough for now! On Fri, 4 September 1998, at 02:05:57, Christopher Fahey wrote:
quoted 25 lines c) /^^^^^^^^^\> c) /^^^^^^^^^\ > / /^^^^\ \ > / / /^^^^\^\ \ > | | | /\ | | | > \ | \_|_/ | | | > \ \ \__/ / / > \__\______/ / > \______/ > > > --------------------- > BTW, I'm not even > stoned. > --------------------- > > ' - . _ . - ' ^ ' - . _ . - ' ^ ' - . _ . - > > c h r i s t ? p h e r f ? h e y > > . _ . - ' ^ ' - . _ . - ' ^ ' - . _ . - ' ^ > chris@raremedium.com > 2 1 2 - 6 3 4 - 6 9 5 0 x 2 5 8 > http://www.raremedium.com > - ' ^ ' - . _ . - ' ^ ' - . _ . - ' ^ ' - . >
1998-09-04 15:13laermsorry if i seem evil, but i wasn't planning on replying to this email until i saw that i d
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Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:13:41 -0400 (EDT)
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Re: some non-reviews and (idm) Spiralmania!
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sorry if i seem evil, but i wasn't planning on replying to this email until i saw that i disagreed with most everything you said. now, i feel as if i need to offer the opposite opinion. sorry - guess i'm just bored. On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, foo chicken wrote:
quoted 12 lines download: whoever said they weren't IDM was wrong. I'm beginning to> download: whoever said they weren't IDM was wrong. I'm beginning to > like download a lot, even though they can be a little cheesy, their > music is almost always "good." I definitely like "Eyes of stanley > pain" and "Charlie's family" better than "III", although they're all > good. charlie's is probably the best, mostly because it's one of the > most fucked up and weird things I've ever heard, and I like things > like that. eyes is good as well for "industrial noise" content, and > also has some truly messed up sounds. III just seems like they > decided to eliminate the industrial noise and just stick to techno > with good beats. I like the others better mainly because I don't have > a lot of similar stuff, while III is more standard. oh yeah - is > skinny puppy worth investigating?
hm. well, i think the best download is _furnace_. even through gen's babbling, _furnace_ still sounds fresh to my ears. _stanley pain_ was intense the first time i heard it. blew my socks off. now, i listen to it, and its like "plbbt. heard that loud crazy noise before." kinda like watching a slasher flick - by about the 4th time around, nothing grabs you anymore. i just found _charlie's family_ trite and boring. _III_, however, seems consistent and seems like it will have staying power. so, to summarise; _furnace_ was/is interesting, but _stanley pain_ grabbed me much more, and _III_ seems to be the happy medium.
quoted 9 lines meat beat: I managed to score a promo of the new album, and after> meat beat: I managed to score a promo of the new album, and after > repeated listening, it's pretty damn great. there's even a great, > funky jazz number on there that I just love. jack has managed to > combine everything great about "original fire" yet retain some of the > "subliminal sandwich" style that we know and love. I can't say that > there's much about it reminds of his early works, ala the classic > "Storm the Studio" and "99%" (more 99% than STS for sure) but that's > okay, because it still kicks ass. if you're masochistic, there are > some mp3 samples up at the brainwashed site
yeah, jack actually seems to have written a "pop"py album this time around. not that i mind after the power of SS. it does remind me a great deal of _99%_, though - and that's my least favourite meat beat album. example: the upcoming single, "prime audio soup", uses the same drum track as "helter skelter". i thought it seemed much lighter and easier than SS, therefore...
quoted 1 line (warning: may require repeated listenings to enjoy)> (warning: may require repeated listenings to enjoy)
...it should be pretty easy to grasp the first time around, like _99%_.
quoted 10 lines test dept: another great industrial band that has ventured into the> test dept: another great industrial band that has ventured into the > vast arena of IDM. their latest "tactics for evolution" may be a > predictable drum and bass rip off, but at least they did it will. > only for completists methinks. however the album which first saw them > departing industrial was "totality" and it remains the best. Lots of > great breakbeats, some nice wailing and totally original -- it made me > an avid fan, and I highly recommend it. it is, in fact, worthy of an > actual review, so i'll listen to it again and send an update. > totality remixes seem to be some good/lame (I can't decide) punding > house and techno numbers.
_totality_ made me ill (especially _totality remixes_), but the comp of early '90's material, _legacy_, is quite good. rather varied - runs the gamut from muslimgauze-styled-industrial to hard techno to dub to whatever. import and domestic have identical tracklistings, but the import has far better art.
quoted 2 lines nocturnal emissions: i'm not sure if they're IDM or not, but I really> nocturnal emissions: i'm not sure if they're IDM or not, but I really > love them. Your mileage may vary. When I first heard them, I wasn't
[snip] whugh! sorry, gut reaction. can't stand these guys. post-gothic wanking. sorry. but i've seen greg clow hanging out on alt.gothic, so you may have a backer. ;) </prat mode> * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com #### a fortune cookie i ate 08/06/98 told me: "a girlfriend is a wine bottle. a wife is a bottle of wine."
1998-09-04 09:19rod a lesterOn Fri, 4 Sep 1998 02:05:57 -0400 "Christopher Fahey" <chris@raremedium.com> writes: >All
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Fri, 4 Sep 1998 02:19:59 -0700
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On Fri, 4 Sep 1998 02:05:57 -0400 "Christopher Fahey" <chris@raremedium.com> writes:
quoted 1 line All this infinite record stuff is driving my little brain batty....>All this infinite record stuff is driving my little brain batty....
quoted 25 lines To connect the end>To connect the end >of a) to the start >of b) at the center >of the record (and >to connect the >beginnings on the >outside edge) still >looks impossible to >me without crossing >grooves many times. > >c) /^^^^^^^^^\ > / /^^^^\ \ > / / /^^^^\^\ \ > | | | /\ | | | > \ | \_|_/ | | | > \ \ \__/ / / > \__\______/ / > \______/ > > >--------------------- >BTW, I'm not even >stoned. >---------------------
th@s the point though see. yes the groove cross hundreds of times, and every time the needle crosses n-2 the other track going back the opposite way, the combined track becomes longer. it would never end. there wouldnt even be a real beginning // unless the ends were not connected. love the effort on the drawings. much respect. out, red _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]