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The wet rags from Blighty wrote:

quoted 7 lines These reviews make it sound as though they are playing exactly the same

>> These reviews make it sound as though they are playing exactly the same >> set as when I saw them in 1991, which in turn was very similar to their >> 1981 tour (though with the addition of songs released since 1981, >> obviously). > > This is likely. The opening tracks at the Tribal Gathering show were almost > an exact copy, down to the last note, of their 1991 tour.

[ Fish. Gun. Barrel.] So fucking what. We're talking about some of the most timeless music ever created. Music that spawned entire sub-genres of music. (I'm sure the 4 Black guys in their awesome multi-colored Intel bunny suits dancing their asses off, whooping and singing along behind me could *really* give a shit ... )

quoted 3 lines Makes you wonder

> Makes you wonder > why they bother carting all that gear around when quite clearly they're > doing it off the same MIDI file every time.

Yeah, I'm sure you know *everything* there is to know about how their stuff is done live ... I mean, all that 18-wheeler worth of gear was just there for *show* obviously ...

quoted 2 lines And the 'new' material they

> And the 'new' material they > played at Tribal Gathering was astoundingly shit.

<sarcasm> Yeah, it was just *awful* to hear what Aphex remixed by Kraftwerk sounds like. </sarcasm> You're fucking mad ...

quoted 1 line They should just stop, now, because it's an embarrassment.

> They should just stop, now, because it's an embarrassment.

Luckily, 1500 or so San Franciscans and myself couldn't disagree more. Look, let me spell it out for you lads: I saw them in '81. I could be just as tight-arsed as you about them still playing old songs, if not more. But I could care less. That music is as magnificent as anything that's ever been created ... and furthermore, you don't seem to realize that they haven't been in America in 17 FUCKING YEARS. There's nothing wrong with being a little old school when half of your audience this time around was sitting in Nursery School reading "See Dick run. See Jane scream." last time around.

quoted 2 lines Dust off the guitars organs and flutes and re-create Ralf And Florian, I

> Dust off the guitars organs and flutes and re-create Ralf And Florian, I > reckon.

Duh. Nothing like coming back from a near-religious, life-affirming event to see some Brits whinge about it. I suggest you go on holiday ... someplace bright and sunny, preferably. Attitude Adjustment Required. - Greg

On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, Greg Earle wrote:

quoted 1 line The wet rags from Blighty wrote:

> The wet rags from Blighty wrote:

Wey - nothing like being too highbrow in your approach, eh.

quoted 2 lines So fucking what.

> So fucking what. >

Interesting - do go on.

quoted 2 lines We're talking about some of the most timeless music ever created.

> We're talking about some of the most timeless music ever created. > Music that spawned entire sub-genres of music.

Oh, sorry: I thought you meant that _other_ Kraftwerk.

quoted 4 lines Nothing like coming back from a near-religious, life-affirming event to see

> Nothing like coming back from a near-religious, life-affirming event to see > some Brits whinge about it. I suggest you go on holiday ... someplace bright > and sunny, preferably. Attitude Adjustment Required. >

Nothing like having your post systematically misrepresented by an Americ. Hmm, that sort of argumentation (if I may temporarily dignify it as such) isn't too edifying a spectacle, is it. All I did was point out some facts - doesn't change what I thought of the 1991 show (nor what you thought of the show you saw). Stuart is more than capable of defending himself. Re. the Funkstorung on Choc. Ind. - quite a nice listen but if I wanted to listen to Autechre, that's what I would do. adam

quoted 1 line The wet rags from Blighty wrote:

> The wet rags from Blighty wrote:

yeah, it does rain here a lot

quoted 3 lines The opening tracks at the Tribal Gathering

> The opening tracks at the Tribal Gathering > show were almost > > an exact copy, down to the last note, of their 1991 tour.

quoted 1 line So fucking what.

> So fucking what.

so anyone expecting something new (or even something old done a bit differently) would be disappointed.

quoted 2 lines We're talking about some of the most timeless music ever created.

> We're talking about some of the most timeless music ever created. > Music that spawned entire sub-genres of music.

respect is due.

quoted 3 lines Makes you wonder

> > Makes you wonder > > why they bother carting all that gear around when quite clearly they're > > doing it off the same MIDI file every time.

quoted 2 lines Yeah, I'm sure you know *everything* there is to know about how

> Yeah, I'm sure you know *everything* there is to know about how > their stuff is done live ... I mean, all that 18-wheeler worth of gear was

just there

quoted 1 line for *show* obviously ...

> for *show* obviously ...

i wasn't looking, i was listening. midi files still require the original equipment to play.

quoted 2 lines And the 'new' material they

> > And the 'new' material they > > played at Tribal Gathering was astoundingly shit.

quoted 4 lines <sarcasm>

> <sarcasm> > Yeah, it was just *awful* to hear what Aphex remixed by Kraftwerk > sounds like. > </sarcasm>

my mp3 file sounds more like yello remixed by pete waterman!

quoted 1 line They should just stop, now, because it's an embarrassment.

> > They should just stop, now, because it's an embarrassment.

quoted 1 line Luckily, 1500 or so San Franciscans and myself couldn't disagree more.

> Luckily, 1500 or so San Franciscans and myself couldn't disagree more.

and there are many thousands more who would gladly lick ralf and florian's arses and pay for the privilege. i don't find much appeal in going to some dump filled with 'knowledgeable' ravers, to worship a couple of 70's dudes while they crank out bland-ised 'raveolution' digital karaoke parodies of their 'greatest hits'. kind of reminds me of the circus rolling into town - all good clean fun, but nothing new, and the faces are a little more wrinkled than they were last decade.

quoted 1 line Look, let me spell it out for you lads: I saw them in '81.

> Look, let me spell it out for you lads: I saw them in '81.

when it was /worth/ seeing them <grin>

quoted 1 line haven't been in America in 17 FUCKING YEARS. There's nothing wrong with

> haven't been in America in 17 FUCKING YEARS. There's nothing wrong with

being

quoted 1 line a little old school when half of your audience this time around was

> a little old school when half of your audience this time around was

sitting in Nursery

quoted 1 line School reading "See Dick run. See Jane scream." last time around.

> School reading "See Dick run. See Jane scream." last time around.

well, great. if it's so important to everybody to see these people in the flesh, then by all means, go along, take your pews, bibles, and rare t-shirts, and howl for all you're worth.

quoted 2 lines Dust off the guitars organs and flutes and re-create Ralf And Florian, I

> > Dust off the guitars organs and flutes and re-create Ralf And Florian, I > > reckon.

quoted 1 line Duh.

> Duh.

what yer mean, duh? they could do something at least a /little/ surprising, and not perpetuating, with the help of the adoring media, this myth about being fathers of all that is electronic music - it's just a cover for being completely out of touch in this day and age. the idea of 'volksmusik' has been rendered out of date by the macro/micro media revolution - nothing (and everything) is timeless today. the whole kraftwerk thing stinks now. 'retro' graphics on their web page and record sleeves, swivelling robots, extolling the virtues of motorway travel and so on.. all of this is pure nostalgia, an outdated vision. 'ralf and florian' is the most contemporary record in their catalogue, and it probably always will be. they probably haven't released anything new for so long because they know that it would be so shit the whole illusion would come crashing down around their ears. the whole world would wake up and realise they've been taken for suckers, that kraftwerk are no more superhuman than john foxx or the human league or any of those other 70s and 80s heroes who are no-where today. as it stands, if kraftwerk toured their old hits for all eternity, it would be their wisest career path, and everyone would always love them. they may as well be dead, and even that wouldn't stop them, they would just let the robots carry on in their place, playing the same old midi files. at least karl bartos had a crack at doing something new - even though it turned out mostly dull, i respect him for that. i may even check out his new lp where he has apparently rejected electronics and 'rocks out'. he doesn't feel the need to play the part of returning messiah (every 5 or so years) any more.

quoted 3 lines Nothing like coming back from a near-religious, life-affirming

> Nothing like coming back from a near-religious, life-affirming > event to see some Brits whinge about it. I suggest you go on holiday ... > someplace bright and sunny, preferably. Attitude Adjustment Required.

sure. but i've got my pocket calculator now, i don't need theirs any more. <waves>

On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Che wrote:

quoted 3 lines At first I was pissed at Siliconvortex's remarks, but I think I'm

> At first I was pissed at Siliconvortex's remarks, but I think I'm > beginning to understand. Normally I would slag (and slag hard) anyone > that has gone as long as Kraftwerk without doing anything new.

Eh, whatever. They're middle aged guys by now. And there is something to be said for doing something so well that the only option is to keep doing it over and over again. Like the Ramones.