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Hope this hasn't been posted already, but I thought people might be interested to know that Radio 1 are broadcasting an hour-long documentary on Krafterk tomorrow (3/12) at 7PM... see ya _________________________________________________ tom churchill e-mail: tom@chrchfam.demon.co.uk electronic musician/reviewer/dj 'scene but not herd' - mixmaster morris _________________________________________________

I just got "The Mix", having not heard any Kraftwerk before (except for bits of "Trans Europe Express" in a music history class). I was quite frankly amazed by the quality and the freshness of the music, given that it is all supposed to be from the 70's or something... this left me wondering, is "The Mix" a compilation of stuff off various albums as I think it is, or is it a bunch of remakes/remixes? Most of these tracks sound as though they could have been made a few months ago, not a whole bunch of years ago, and the production and sound quality were first rate. It is just wierd, is all...

On Fri, 26 Jul 1996, Sugatis & Co wrote:

quoted 10 lines I just got "The Mix", having not heard any Kraftwerk before (except for

> I just got "The Mix", having not heard any Kraftwerk before (except for > bits of "Trans Europe Express" in a music history class). I was quite > frankly amazed by the quality and the freshness of the music, given that it > is all supposed to be from the 70's or something... this left me wondering, > is "The Mix" a compilation of stuff off various albums as I think it is, or > is it a bunch of remakes/remixes? Most of these tracks sound as though they > could have been made a few months ago, not a whole bunch of years ago, and > the production and sound quality were first rate. It is just wierd, is > all... >

I guess first I'd like to add that its a sad day when people havent heard any Kraftwerk cept for in a music lecture. The music of electronic artists cant particularily age save fora pattern progression within a genre(the use of specific sound type elements). I have some music from 4 years ago that sound still just as amazing no as it did when i first heard it. Quad on Kinetix is just 1 example. Kraftwerk among others like Jarre etc really should have a lot more exposure to todays youth, with the fact that their music is still listenable. I wonder why this isnt so.. any ideas? Peace, KAos The Poet The Artist, the Slueth- Whoever sharpens our perceptions tend to be antisocial. Rarely "Well Adjusted," he cannot go along with currents and trends. -Marshall McLuhan (: (: (::::::: (:: (::: (::::::: ThisIsSuchAFukkinCoolPlace!!! :) *PLUR* oO(TEKNO_RAAVE_SiG)Oo

On Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:08:46 -0400 (EDT), you wrote:

quoted 3 lines Kraftwerk among others like Jarre etc really should have a lot more

>Kraftwerk among others like Jarre etc really should have a lot more >exposure to todays youth, with the fact that their music is still >listenable. I wonder why this isnt so.. any ideas?

Haven't released new material for a decade or so? Image? Crap vocal bits? Old material relatively unavailable? g.

On Fri, 26 Jul 1996, g3 wrote:

quoted 6 lines On Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:08:46 -0400 (EDT), you wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:08:46 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > >Kraftwerk among others like Jarre etc really should have a lot more > >exposure to todays youth, with the fact that their music is still > >listenable. I wonder why this isnt so.. any ideas? > > Haven't released new material for a decade or so?

Neither has Elvis. Or J.S. Bach. They have the excuse of being dead, of course.

quoted 3 lines Image?

> > Image? >

Name ANYONE on earth who has a cooler image than Kraftwerk! Devo were close, but damn! Kraftwerk were smooth!

quoted 3 lines Old material relatively unavailable?

> > Old material relatively unavailable? >

Oh ye of little faith. A good source in the US is Best Buy stores. The Kraftwerk catalog has bounced around quite a bit -- some CD's were out on Capitol, some were out on Warner Brothers, some apparerently are available from Cleopatra -- check out http://www.hallucinet.com/cleopatra/cleo_cat.html They list "The Man Machine" "The Model"(Best of) "Radio-Activity" "Trans-Europe Express" and "Showroom Dummies"(EP?) cdnow lists "Computer World", "Electric Cafe", "Man Machine", "Showroom Dummies" and "Trans Europe Express" and "Kraftwerk 2" and the Japanese version of Computer World, which I presume has the Japanese Versions of some songs. --------------------------------------------------------------------- "I read Keyboard, but it's like staring at a book with pictures of simple looking but expensive machines." -- Michael Lazarev NEW CD Comp Electronic Music Project http://soli.inav.net/~kent/emp.html Kent Williams kent@inav.net CADSI 2651 Crosspark Road Coralville IA 52241 (319) 338 6053 (home) (319) 626 6700 x 219 (work) (319) 626 3489 (fax)

At 12:23 AM -0700 7/26/96, Sugatis & Co wrote:

quoted 9 lines I just got "The Mix", having not heard any Kraftwerk before (except for

>I just got "The Mix", having not heard any Kraftwerk before (except for >bits of "Trans Europe Express" in a music history class). I was quite >frankly amazed by the quality and the freshness of the music, given that it >is all supposed to be from the 70's or something... this left me wondering, >is "The Mix" a compilation of stuff off various albums as I think it is, or >is it a bunch of remakes/remixes? Most of these tracks sound as though they >could have been made a few months ago, not a whole bunch of years ago, and >the production and sound quality were first rate. It is just wierd, is >all...

The Mix is all remade versions. however, many of the originals DO sound that fresh. check out the album "Computer World", definitely my all-time favorite Kraftwerk record and probably one of the top 10 best electronic albums ever made. recorded in 1981. sounds like it was done yesterday. on the other hand, some of their stuff prior to that definitely sounds dated. the album "radioactivity" is pretty weak. as for g's comment about "crap vocal bits" - DIE BLASPHEMER!! :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Drukman jsd@cyborganic.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------

At 12:23 AM -0700 7/26/96, Sugatis & Co wrote:

quoted 9 lines I just got "The Mix", having not heard any Kraftwerk before (except for

>I just got "The Mix", having not heard any Kraftwerk before (except for >bits of "Trans Europe Express" in a music history class). I was quite >frankly amazed by the quality and the freshness of the music, given that it >is all supposed to be from the 70's or something... this left me wondering, >is "The Mix" a compilation of stuff off various albums as I think it is, or >is it a bunch of remakes/remixes? Most of these tracks sound as though they >could have been made a few months ago, not a whole bunch of years ago, and >the production and sound quality were first rate. It is just wierd, is >all...

No, it's remakes and retakes and remixes and refixes. But it's quite amazing, no? So amazing, that you should check out the following: 1. Trans Europe Express (English-language version) 2. Trans Europa Express (German-language version) 3. Computer World 4. Electric Cafe - I can't help it. I love this record. Musique non-stop. There also exist various bootleg CD remix comps. I found two kickacious ones at the bizarre bazaar in Berlin almost at the exact centimeter where the Berlin wall used to cross the main thoroughfare. That's Berlin for you. Funky town. With a zillion weird acid jazz and techno and electro nightclubs in the scariest sections of the East side. Eerie that there's nothing left of the Wall. Just a section or two left in out-of-the-way neighborhoods. You can find more post-Nazi memorabilia in a Pink Floyd cartoon movie. But the past is not so simply eradicated, is it? Think Anselm Kiefer. Or Wim Wenders. Then again - don't think. It weakens the government. Didn't like Germany much, until I stayed in a gay hotel in Berlin. Actually, I didn't know it was a gay hotel until one day my breakfast chum leapt across the table for a kiss. Impulsive, that. He simply assumed I knew, so that I must be, too, and that was that. Another gent later told me that the gay scene in Berlin was more tolerant than that in U.S. cities. Well, just goes to show how far stereotypes go. Wasn't this thread about Kraftwerk? Michael Cretu did a simply amazing record with Peter Cornelius. Anyway, about those Kraftwerk bootlegs, a term which brings to mind fascism, strangely, since it's a sort of anti-establishment thing, but there you have it. Think moonshine. Records? No, the real deal. Includes some razormaid mega-mixes. Some of these mixes were definitely done on someone's car-stereo Gremlin 8-track. Does anyone hear remember the Gremlin? I once bought one for $200 because the ad said "complete with 8-track". I thought this meant a multikulti recording studio. But all I could do was listen to the Greatest Hits of the Sweet over and over and over. Got me all misty-eyed. Thanks to one of our beloved list members, I now proudly own the William Orbit remix of "Radioactivity". See, there was that male acquisitive blah-blah-blah impulse again... Zenon M. Feszczak Kraftwerker

And by the way KW fans (Same initials as me, eerie isn't it?) Check those used bins, as a LOT of Kraftwerk Vinyl is floating around the US. I got the German "Computer World" 12" and Music Non-Stop single used -- now I can pretend I'm Robert Hood and throw down "Numbers." --------------------------------------------------------------------- "I read Keyboard, but it's like staring at a book with pictures of simple looking but expensive machines." -- Michael Lazarev NEW CD Comp Electronic Music Project http://soli.inav.net/~kent/emp.html Kent Williams kent@inav.net CADSI 2651 Crosspark Road Coralville IA 52241 (319) 338 6053 (home) (319) 626 6700 x 219 (work) (319) 626 3489 (fax)

There's also a single of Trans Europe Express. It's a CD - EP. Cover identical to the full-length. Check the track listing - includes several versions of TEEx, plus a French lyric version of Showroom Dummies/ Schau-Fenster-Puppen/SchaumRollen. Kraftwerk is a brilliant mathematical singularity. 3

quoted 3 lines is "The Mix" a compilation of stuff off various albums as I think it is, or

>is "The Mix" a compilation of stuff off various albums as I think it is, or >is it a bunch of remakes/remixes? Most of these tracks sound as though they >could have been made a few months ago, not a whole bunch of years ago, and

The Mix is a greatest hits remade with updated equipment. If I remember correctly, "Musique Non Stop" is a bit more fucked up than the original, isn't it? But yeah, it came out in 1991. eric

4th World Communication. Re:Kraftwerk Thought I'd chip in my thought for the day/moment Once read a quote from a member of Kraftwerk , who said they were inspired to make music after "seeing Stockhausen on acid in 1969" , maybe Tim Leary was right after all!!!!!!! See Ya!! Also check out the new Baby Ford 12 on Pal label (1st release) , 3 tracks of serious funked up , hi hat splayed techno , and Digital Justice on Fragile , blokes from Manchester, out Derrick May - ing the man himself , lovely Detroit- esque drifting soundscapes. sonic assassin@4th World http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/4thworld on now - Mark Broom - Miles End

We can find Kraftwerk discography at "Kraftwerk Unofficial Infobahr" http://www.cs.umu.se/tsdf/KRAFTWERK/ or in Pascal Bussy's book "Kraftwerk" (ISBN 3-492-18408-1 in German, or ISBN 4-89176-297-7 in Japanese translation). Enjoy! :-) ---- Hiroshi Murata @ Tokyo, Japan. <hiroshi@pobox.com> Currently wondering if there is "Tour de France" CD (not a bootleg remix!)

On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, Hiroshi MURATA wrote:

quoted 4 lines Currently wondering if there is "Tour de France" CD

> > Currently wondering if there is "Tour de France" CD > (not a bootleg remix!) >

In the Kraftwerk FAQ and the answer is NO. But the remix SLAMS on the 12" Breathing noises and pulse wave percussion anyone? --------------------------------------------------------------------- "I read Keyboard, but it's like staring at a book with pictures of simple looking but expensive machines." -- Michael Lazarev NEW CD Comp Electronic Music Project http://soli.inav.net/~kent/emp.html Kent Williams kent@inav.net CADSI 2651 Crosspark Road Coralville IA 52241 (319) 338 6053 (home) (319) 626 6700 x 219 (work) (319) 626 3489 (fax)

quoted 4 lines Currently wondering if there is "Tour de France" CD

>> Currently wondering if there is "Tour de France" CD >> (not a bootleg remix!) >> >In the Kraftwerk FAQ and the answer is NO.

Well, in Lazlo's discography, the answer is: Kraftwerk compilation appearances [Tour de France] [on Various: DJ's Best] CD: 199? GE (BMG; 261 281-222) C. -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker)

On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, Kent Williams wrote:

quoted 2 lines But the remix SLAMS on the 12" Breathing noises and pulse wave percussion

> But the remix SLAMS on the 12" Breathing noises and pulse wave percussion > anyone?

Is this "SLAMS" transitive or intransitive? I have an original issue Tour de France 12" (complete with 'from the movie _Breakdance 2_' endorsement) which, let's say, tootles along fairly nicely, with 3 mixes including a nice long Francois Kevorkian one. I say yes to breathing noises and thips (or are they thwips?) adam

Hiroshi MURATA <hiroshi@pobox.com> said: :Currently wondering if there is "Tour de France" CD :(not a bootleg remix!) There are a few surprisingly high-quality vinyl bootlegs of this around -- a dance specialty shop should be able to locate one for you. The only CD bootleg I've seen, though, was obscenely (~$50 US) expensive. -d.w.

At 02:49 PM 7/28/96 -0400, you wrote:

quoted 5 lines Hiroshi MURATA <hiroshi@pobox.com> said:

>Hiroshi MURATA <hiroshi@pobox.com> said: > >:Currently wondering if there is "Tour de France" CD >:(not a bootleg remix!) >

check the infobahr URL posted earlier for a listing of all known appearances by TdF on CD. eric

quoted 2 lines But the remix SLAMS on the 12" Breathing noises and pulse wave percussion

>>But the remix SLAMS on the 12" Breathing noises and pulse wave percussion >>anyone?

- I can't even stress how influential this 12" was on bringing me into electronic music. My fave was always the chain and freewheel sounds. -- Mark Bowen mb@gettins.bche.uic.edu

quoted 11 lines Currently wondering if there is "Tour de France" CD (not a bootleg remix!)

>>> Currently wondering if there is "Tour de France" CD (not a bootleg remix!) >> >> In the Kraftwerk FAQ and the answer is NO. > > Well, in Lazlo's discography, the answer is: > > Kraftwerk compilation appearances > > [Tour de France] > [on Various: DJ's Best] > CD: 199? GE (BMG; 261 281-222)

And when I get around to updating that discography, the answer will also be "on the recent Japanese reissue of Computer World". (I think it was Computer World, anyway.) To be fair, "DJ's Best" is apparently a real bitch to track down. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo)

A. Huffman wrote:

quoted 15 lines On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, Kent Williams wrote:

> > On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, Kent Williams wrote: > > > But the remix SLAMS on the 12" Breathing noises and pulse wave percussion > > anyone? > > Is this "SLAMS" transitive or intransitive? > > I have an original issue Tour de France 12" (complete with 'from the movie > _Breakdance 2_' endorsement) which, let's say, tootles along fairly > nicely, with 3 mixes including a nice long Francois Kevorkian one. > > I say yes to breathing noises and thips (or are they thwips?) > > adam

I have an LP from K-Tel called _Breakin'_ which was a much loved birthday present back in 1983. It has Tour de France on it but claims that it is by a group called "10 Speed". Try tracking down that LP at your local thrift shop. Everyone I knew had that album 15 years ago. Man! Loved that track too. It was always my favourite and I'd play it at 0 to dance and +6 for listening! Dave Ross

I have been listening to the Kraftwerk catalog of albums this week. Every time I listen to them I am amazed at how pure their sound was, and at how innovative and influential they were. I am puzzled by the lack of historical documentation of them or the artistic history and recording techniques that they used. Is there anything in print that is in English that I have overlooked? Even a chapter in a book on electronic music would be more than I have seen. thanks, Steve

On Wed, 11 Dec 1996, Blipvert wrote:

quoted 10 lines I have been listening to the Kraftwerk catalog of albums this week.

> I have been listening to the Kraftwerk catalog of albums this week. > Every > time I listen to them I am amazed at how pure their sound was, and at > how > innovative and influential they were. I am puzzled by the lack of > historical documentation of them or the artistic history and recording > techniques that they used. Is there anything in print that is in English > that I have overlooked? Even a chapter in a book on electronic music > would > be more than I have seen.

there is in fact a book written by a french writer called Pascal Bussy. The name of the book is "Kraftwerk: Man Machine and Music". It is a very good book which explains and describes the carrier of Kraftwerk detailed and deep. Reccomended! ---franz enmark --- extra terrestrial--- -- there's a sheep loose in the lane, -- -- there's a goose asleep in the rain -- -- http://tbm.scicom.se/plod/ ----od?---

quoted 7 lines I have been listening to the Kraftwerk catalog of albums this week. Every

>I have been listening to the Kraftwerk catalog of albums this week. Every >time I listen to them I am amazed at how pure their sound was, and at how >innovative and influential they were. I am puzzled by the lack of >historical documentation of them or the artistic history and recording >techniques that they used. Is there anything in print that is in English >that I have overlooked? Even a chapter in a book on electronic music >would be more than I have seen.

There is a very good 180ish-page book by Pascal Bussy called "Man, machine, and music". It covers everything you need to know. I have written a review of the book which can also serve as a short biography. E-mail me if you want it. Otherwise, there are naturally tons of resources on the net, and a mailing list (don't know the address though). Johan. ,,, /'~'\ ( 0 0 ) +----------------------------oOOO--(_)--OOOo----------------------------+ Johan Jaatinen Electronic music maker Anika@Info.LiU.SE Oooo. Radio DJ MU WILL RISE AGAIN .oooO ( ) Vegetarian +-----------------------------( )----) /------------------------------+ \ ( (_/ \_)

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quoted 2 lines Otherwise, there are naturally tons of resources on the net, and a mailing

> Otherwise, there are naturally tons of resources on the net, and a mailing > list (don't know the address though).

Try these for starters: http://www.cs.umu.se/~dvlawm/kraftwerk/ (contains the info on mailing list) http://ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de/~tweckert/kwk.html (lots of cool images) ekku the maintainer of pHinnWeb - everything u ever wanted to know about Finnish techno scene but were too afraid of the reindeer trerra@uta.fi | http://www.uta.fi/~trerra | http://www.sci.fi/~phinnweb

quoted 2 lines Otherwise, there are naturally tons of resources on the net, and a mailing

> > Otherwise, there are naturally tons of resources on the net, and a mailing > > list (don't know the address though).

Check http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?kraftwerk; the page includes the correct info for the mailing list. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo)

In a message dated 21/01/97 18:59:48, you write:

quoted 3 lines Dunno if someone even used the term "Techno" before Kraftwerk when they

> Dunno if someone even used the term "Techno" before Kraftwerk when they > in 1982 stated that their next album was to be called "Techno Pop". (This > same album was later released as "Electric Cafe" in 1986).

Man Parrish released 'Techno Trax' in maybe 1982, I think. On Now? For The Moment - Fusion Waste Concepts

On 23-Jan-97, Humanerr0r@aol.com wrote:

quoted 1 line In a message dated 21/01/97 18:59:48, you write:

>In a message dated 21/01/97 18:59:48, you write:

quoted 3 lines Dunno if someone even used the term "Techno" before Kraftwerk when they

>> Dunno if someone even used the term "Techno" before Kraftwerk when they >> in 1982 stated that their next album was to be called "Techno Pop". (This >> same album was later released as "Electric Cafe" in 1986).

I used to have that album when I was like 7-8 years old, I lived in Miami, Florida at that time, but then when I moved up to Baltimore, MD, somehow the record got lost in the move :(( sad story eh? :P -- Hillie aka Aurafix / DAMONES hillien kotisivu - http://www.clark.net/pub/buh/index.html easy internet services - http://huizen.dds.nl/~eis Do re mi fa so la ti.. Oh let's see if I can make it easier...

According to Mojo magazine, Kling Klang Studio engineers Fritz Hilpert and Henning Schmitz will be playing with Florian Schneider and Ralf Hütter at Tribal Gathering, since Wolfgang Flur and Karl Bartos have left the group. My tiny Kraftwerk page: http://www.sci.fi/~phinnweb/kraftwerk.html transmission from the pHinnWeb Bunker over, ekku the maintainer of pHinnWeb - everything u ever wanted to know about Finnish electronica scene but were too afraid of the reindeer trerra@uta.fi | http://www.uta.fi/~trerra | http://www.sci.fi/~phinnweb

At 15:45 1997-04-28 +0300, you wrote:

quoted 3 lines According to Mojo magazine, Kling Klang Studio engineers Fritz Hilpert and

>According to Mojo magazine, Kling Klang Studio engineers Fritz Hilpert and >Henning Schmitz will be playing with Florian Schneider and Ralf Hütter at >Tribal Gathering, since Wolfgang Flur and Karl Bartos have left the group.

Eh? Bartos and Flur left even before the "The Mix" album... Bartos is nowadays occupied producing other bands as well as composing music to his rip-off project Electric Music. Fritz Hilpert played with em last tour as well, but then together with some Fernando Albrantes... And, yes, It's great that they're back! :) check out http://www.kraftwerk.com/index3.html Robotnik. - franz johan marino enmark '''''''' = ) - =-= = '''''''''' - - http://gargamel.com/plod -->-->--> -/ - - - ] '''''''' - - frankie@gargamel.com ''''''''''''' = -.. =-= = '''''''''' -

quoted 6 lines According to Mojo magazine, Kling Klang Studio engineers Fritz Hilpert and

> >According to Mojo magazine, Kling Klang Studio engineers Fritz Hilpert and > >Henning Schmitz will be playing with Florian Schneider and Ralf Hütter at > >Tribal Gathering, since Wolfgang Flur and Karl Bartos have left the group. > > Eh? > Bartos and Flur left even before the "The Mix" album...

Yeah, I was aware of the fact; sorry if I expressed myself somehow unclearly... Karl Bartos voiced his frustration with increasingly long gaps between every new Kraftwerk album that "it's like you're having this jumbojet on your yard which you can't ever fly". Now it seems they are taking off again, but let's hope it won't be a crash-landing...

quoted 2 lines Bartos is nowadays occupied producing other bands as well

> Bartos is nowadays occupied producing other bands as well > as composing music to his rip-off project Electric Music.

Rip-off? Can't say, since I haven't heard that...

quoted 3 lines - franz johan marino enmark '''''''' = ) - =-= = &

> - franz johan marino enmark '''''''' = ) - =-= = '''''''''' - > - http://gargamel.com/plod -->-->--> -/ - - - ] '''''''' - > - frankie@gargamel.com ''''''''''''' = -.. =-= = '''''''''' -

np: 'Ohm Sweet Ohm' from "Radioactivity" (hey, the ChemBros ripped off even this one! ;) transmission from the pHinnWeb Bunker over, ekku the maintainer of pHinnWeb - everything u ever wanted to know about Finnish electronica scene but were too afraid of the reindeer trerra@uta.fi | http://www.uta.fi/~trerra | http://www.sci.fi/~phinnweb

kraftwerk tix go on sale april 25th... ticket master of course. i asked why the palladium, and apparently it's the choice of the kraftwerk people. -ns

On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, nanostep wrote:

quoted 1 line kraftwerk tix go on sale april 25th... ticket master of course.

> kraftwerk tix go on sale april 25th... ticket master of course.

Which show are you taking about? The on sale dates I've got are: Chicago: May 2nd [show June 10th] Detroit: April 25th [show June 11th] NYC: May 8th [show June 13th] I also found out today that they'll be on the bill for the Free Tibet festival in DC on Sunday, June 14th. Greg

On Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:32:00 -0500 nanostep <nanostep@drumandbass.com> writes:

quoted 6 lines kraftwerk tix go on sale april 25th... ticket master of course.

>kraftwerk tix go on sale april 25th... ticket master of course. > >i asked why the palladium, and apparently it's the choice of the >kraftwerk >people. >

great...what city? np: autobahn _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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quoted 4 lines kraftwerk tix go on sale april 25th... ticket master of course.

>>kraftwerk tix go on sale april 25th... ticket master of course. >>i asked why the palladium, and apparently it's the choice of the >>kraftwerk >>people.

At 8:50 PM -0500 3/27/98, tweibrecht@juno.com wrote:

quoted 1 line great...what city?

>great...what city?

Yes, of course... I forgot that IDM list was not local. This is information for Los Angeles. Promoter is Goldenvoice. -Christine ______________ nanostep nanostep@drumandbass.com samples: high-bandwidth, communications, bpm, asia in the yr 2000, fractal structures, cu-seeme fuzzy, memory encapsulated, radio, a sculpture in every living room, a sculpture in every park, a sculpture in every body, cyborgs, e-mail, letterpress, return to drawing, kitchensink genetics, mindoro, coincidence, encaustic, pedestrians rights, sleep depriviation high, the moon . . .

Anyone know who is opening for Kraftwerk in chicago? (coming up wed. night) I'm excited about the show, have been waiting years to see them. thanks. Erik. -- ListenCarefullyArtistikRe:Assignment ListenCarefully@Fuse.net

At 8:52 PM -0700 6/7/98, ListenCarefully wrote:

quoted 6 lines Anyone know who is opening for Kraftwerk in chicago? (coming up wed.

>Anyone know who is opening for Kraftwerk in chicago? (coming up wed. >night) >I'm excited about the show, have been waiting years to see them. >thanks. > >Erik.

Could be no opener. I just returned from the SF show, and they started promptly at 8pm, with no opening act, and played for about two hours. Covered all the hits - Numbers, Home Computer, Man Machine, Autobahn, Tour De France, The Model, Radioactivity, Trans Europe Express, Autobahn, Pocket Calculator, The Robots, and Music Non Stop as well and two new tunes, which were a bit disappointing. They sounded heavily influenced by '92-era popular techno. It was a bit disconterting to hear Kraftwerk borrowing from a genre they greatly influenced. Not that the new tracks were bad, but they weren't very innovative. Excellent show, however with some nice props and costumes. The versions of the tracks were closer to the versions on The Mix rather than the originals, but they tweaked things a bit. Music Non Stop and Man Machine stood out the most for me. The opportunity to hear everything on a killer concert sound system made up for any lack of improvisation. Joe

These reviews make it sound as though they are playing exactly the same set as when I saw them in 1991, which in turn was very similar to their 1981 tour (though with the addition of songs released since 1981, obviously). adam

quoted 4 lines These reviews make it sound as though they are playing exactly the same

> These reviews make it sound as though they are playing exactly the same > set as when I saw them in 1991, which in turn was very similar to their > 1981 tour (though with the addition of songs released since 1981, > obviously).

this is likely. the opening tracks at the tribal gathering show were almost an exact copy, down to the last note, of their 1991 tour. makes you wonder why they bother carting all that gear around when quite clearly they're doing it off the same midi file every time. and the 'new' material they played at tribal gathering was astoundingly shit. they should just stop, now, because it's an embarrassment. what on /earth/ do they get up to in that studio? it seems time has stood still for the past 10 years in the world of kling klang. dust off the guitars organs and flutes and re-create Ralf And Florian, that's what i reckon. <waves>

First of all I'm new to this list. Been here for a week or so. Greg made me aware of it and I finally decided to join in. I've been on the Skinny Puppy Epilogue mailing list for 4.5 years. Now promoted to co-admin with Brad Bell(maximill@u.washington.edu) You here? :) I'll be seeing Kraftwerk perform at this years Roskilde Festival (www.roskilde-festival.dk) on the green stage. It holds app. 18.000 inside a huge tent and it really is a fantastic stage. I've seen bands like Cranes, Cockteau Twins, Ministry, Nick Cave perform there and it's always a treat. ok, back to the subject. I saw Kraftwerk perform 7 years ago here in Denmark in a small theatre that held 1200 ppl and it's among my top 3 concerts _ever_. I'll never forget when they played Tour De France and the 4 video screens in the back of each keyboard console displayed old B/W footage from Tour De France. I cried. The show starts at 9.30 pm and is expected to go on for 3 hours. I have an ex-gf who works as producer assistant backstage and she's informed me that noone else wil perform after Kraftwerk that night. Usually they don't stop until 3 or 4 am but Kling-Klang takes too long to dissemble. I will record the show to MiniDisc with a stereo mic. Not a soundboard aouttake, just as a mortal amongst the crowd. Let's see how it turns out. -Rene ICQ UIN 2193840 A Staff Member of Last Sigh Magazine For Underground Music http://www.waste.org/lastsigh

Whoever it was that asked about "Tour De France" - I was just on the SoS records homepage, looking throught their backstock of house records, and this was listed: * KRAFTWERK- Tour de France () $11.49 (65809) If it indeed is there, I guess that answers your question. bbn

Re all this talk about the availability of Kraftwerk on CD, Sister Ray has the following on it's latest mailout KRAFTWERK: 1/2/Autobahn/Computerworld/Electric Cafe/Mix/Ralf+Florian/Tone Float. ea CD 13.99 (that's £13.99. See http://www.sisterray.co.uk/welcome.htm for ordering info) Paddy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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> >Re all this talk about the availability of Kraftwerk on CD, Sister Ray has >the following on it's latest mailout > >KRAFTWERK: 1/2/Autobahn/Computerworld/Electric Cafe/Mix/Ralf+Florian/Tone >Float. ea CD 13.99 > >(that's £13.99. See http://www.sisterray.co.uk/welcome.htm for ordering >info) > > Paddy

http://www.ab-cd.com has them too ernie Ernesto Ikerd, (817) 763-4795 Company Graphics, Dept 17, MZ-1156 Lockheed Martin Tactical Aircraft Systems Fort Worth, Texas --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org