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Hello, I'm new to the list here. I couldn't help notice that since I joined about a week ago, most of the posts here have been short messages being only requests to buy records, or pointers to for-sale lists. On one hand, I realize that the trading/buying/selling of 12" goods is a *huge* part of the culture, moreso than in probably any other forum of music these days -- all for obvious reasons. On the other hand, browsing through one "I have aphex, wgchrist, autechre for sale" type message after the other, each with no other content, can get rather boring. Maybe I joined at a slow time. Maybe I should just shut the fuck up. And I don't want to wish the good folks at Hyperreal any more work than necessary -- but has anyone ever considered the idea of an "idm-marketplace" list? Being an "org" site has its limitations, I know. But since most of the posts are more *pointers* to for-sale lists than actual for-sale lists (which is appreciated) and are, hence, more "OK" within an org site, I figure it may possible work. (For one thing, using the word "marketplace" at all may seem a bit obvious... :) Feel free to blast my whinings and general newbieness. I suck, I know. ================================================================== Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> KUCI 88.9 fM in Irvine, CA -- Orange County "S-H-A-M-Double-E-K -- my definition of dance -- comprende?" ==================================================================

quoted 22 lines Hello, I'm new to the list here. I couldn't help notice that since I

> Hello, I'm new to the list here. I couldn't help notice that since I > joined about a week ago, most of the posts here have been short > messages being only requests to buy records, or pointers to for-sale > lists. > > On one hand, I realize that the trading/buying/selling of 12" goods is a > *huge* part of the culture, moreso than in probably any other forum > of music these days -- all for obvious reasons. On the other hand, > browsing through one "I have aphex, wgchrist, autechre for sale" > type message after the other, each with no other content, can get rather > boring. > > Maybe I joined at a slow time. Maybe I should just shut the fuck up. > And I don't want to wish the good folks at Hyperreal any more work > than necessary -- but has anyone ever considered the idea of an > "idm-marketplace" list? Being an "org" site has its limitations, I > know. But since most of the posts are more *pointers* to for-sale lists > than actual for-sale lists (which is appreciated) and are, hence, > more "OK" within an org site, I figure it may possible work. (For one > thing, using the word "marketplace" at all may seem a bit obvious... :) > > Feel free to blast my whinings and general newbieness. I suck, I know.

Actually, I somewhat agree (though am constantly searching for those forsale lists!) Thats why I started my whitezone-l (specifically because I was tired of scanning the idm and ambient lists for forsale lists, amongst the 'real' posts) Some people make pretty good use of it (Puckered1 is a good example) but alot of people posts their lists here also because the # of people on the whitezone-l isn't all that big (at least I assume thats why...) brap@sonic.net /// occasional noisy soundfiles (np: burundi challenge.rm) http://www.sonic.net/~brap/ blackdog, vvm, whitezone-l, slipdisc, radiora.ram C.Gosselin, 1547 Boston Court #7, Santa Rosa, CA 95405

As long as most people put FS, FT, or WTD in the subject, what's the big deal with deleting them? Che

At 11:45 AM 3/11/98 -0800, Brian MacDonald wrote:

quoted 8 lines Maybe I joined at a slow time. Maybe I should just shut the fuck up.

>Maybe I joined at a slow time. Maybe I should just shut the fuck up. >And I don't want to wish the good folks at Hyperreal any more work >than necessary -- but has anyone ever considered the idea of an >"idm-marketplace" list? Being an "org" site has its limitations, I >know. But since most of the posts are more *pointers* to for-sale lists >than actual for-sale lists (which is appreciated) and are, hence, >more "OK" within an org site, I figure it may possible work. (For one >thing, using the word "marketplace" at all may seem a bit obvious... :)

Rather than make it a mailing list, doing it up as a proper database application would be something I'd be willing to host at hyperreal. Know what I mean? You could even make it cool and allow folks to be notified whenever a new, say, autechre release was posted for sale. You could do the same thing but in reverse for want lists as well, and then plug the two together. :) Anyways, we have Perl 5 and MySQL (+ P5 libraries) installed on Hyperreal. Let me know if you're interested. Don't get mad if I don't respond immediately, I'm about to be offline for a few days. Brian --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- "Optimism is a strategy for making brian@apache.org a better future." - Noam Chomsky brian@hyperreal.org

if everyone would just use what the nice people at synaptic set up at http://www.eazy.net/synaptic-records/main.html we wouldn;t have to even have this discussion. it works fine, there just needs to be more traffic to this site... i dont think it says anything to the effect that posting big lists is a problem either.... andy ajsolomon@wesleyan.edu

quoted 7 lines if everyone would just use what the nice people at synaptic set up at

> if everyone would just use what the nice people at synaptic set up at > > http://www.eazy.net/synaptic-records/main.html > > we wouldn;t have to even have this discussion. it works fine, there just > needs to be more traffic to this site... i dont think it says anything > to the effect that posting big lists is a problem either....

A few people have asked about the whitezone-l... there's a link to the sub/unsub page @ http://www.sonic.net/~brap/ basically, its a forsale, wants, etc mailing list for electronic music.... brap@sonic.net /// occasional noisy soundfiles (np: burundi challenge.rm) http://www.sonic.net/~brap/ blackdog, vvm, whitezone-l, slipdisc, radiora.ram C.Gosselin, 1547 Boston Court #7, Santa Rosa, CA 95405

quoted 10 lines Rather than make it a mailing list, doing it up as a proper database

> Rather than make it a mailing list, doing it up as a proper database > application would be something I'd be willing to host at hyperreal. > Know > what I mean? You could even make it cool and allow folks to be > notified > whenever a new, say, autechre release was posted for sale. You could > do > the same thing but in reverse for want lists as well, and then plug > the two > together. :)

That sounds like a really excellent idea, id rather not post for sale messages to idm... but i do because im very short of money right now. This would help a lot of people to sell records and a lot of people to find them. And keep idm clean.... although it is in a bit of downtime at the moment! steve

AndrewJ wrote:

quoted 6 lines Che said...

> Che said... > > >As long as most people put FS, FT, or WTD in the subject, what's the > big > >deal with deleting them? >

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quoted 8 lines . You learn quickly here that one

> . You learn quickly here that one > person's signal is another person's noise. > > > > VERY true...e.g., I LIKE the fs/ft lists and find things I > consider nuggets in them on occasion. Of course, debating all of these > other important issues is also a big plus...

jeff

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quoted 6 lines As long as most people put FS, FT, or WTD in the subject, what's the big

>As long as most people put FS, FT, or WTD in the subject, what's the big >deal with deleting them? > >Che > >

Whats the big deal with doing anything that takes time ? mmmmmm That it takes time. Extra download time. Extra reading time (even if its just the subjects.) Extra deleting time. For those of us on 5 or more lists getting 2-300 messages a day, believe me it would be useful to take the FS stuff elswhere.

As far as I'm concerned, there is a whole lot more noise lurking inside the bodies of interesting subjects. But this none of this is easily regulated. Fact is, when you're selling records, you want people to buy them, so you'll tell people that you think will be interested. call it spam if you will. use good judgement I guess. post urls! On Fri, 13 March 1998, at 11:20:28, lpj@pratique.fr wrote:

quoted 10 lines Whats the big deal with doing anything that takes time ?

> Whats the big deal with doing anything that takes time ? > mmmmmm > That it takes time. > > Extra download time. > Extra reading time (even if its just the subjects.) > Extra deleting time. > > For those of us on 5 or more lists getting 2-300 messages a day, believe > me it would be useful to take the FS stuff elswhere.

On Fri, 13 Mar 1998 lpj@pratique.fr wrote:

quoted 13 lines As long as most people put FS, FT, or WTD in the subject, what's the big

> >As long as most people put FS, FT, or WTD in the subject, what's the big > >deal with deleting them? > > > >Che > > > > > Whats the big deal with doing anything that takes time ? > mmmmmm > That it takes time. > > Extra download time. > Extra reading time (even if its just the subjects.) > Extra deleting time.

Why not use a free email program that can filter out FS & FT messages - Pegasus Mail? It doesn't solve your download problem, but...

quoted 2 lines For those of us on 5 or more lists getting 2-300 messages a day, believe

> For those of us on 5 or more lists getting 2-300 messages a day, believe > me it would be useful to take the FS stuff elswhere.

Whitezone-l is for this sort of thing, but it doesn't have the coverage of IDM. If you could get everyone on IDM to join Whitezone-l... Che

quoted 2 lines but has anyone ever considered the idea of an

> but has anyone ever considered the idea of an >> "idm-marketplace" list?

If its up for discussion - i would agree with this