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written by lwtcdi <graham@lwtcdi.prestel.co.uk>

quoted 4 lines Yeah, but let's face it, it sounds like pure pap at 33rpm! The 'correct'

>Yeah, but let's face it, it sounds like pure pap at 33rpm! The 'correct' >speed is obviously 45rpm, so I wish the artist/label would cut the >bullshit and stop pretending that Tom J knew what it was going to sound >like at 33rpm when he made it 45rpm.

seem to be playing email ping pong, graham; it's all down to the physical cutting of the record point is an artist does NOT 'make' material at 33 or 45 rpm, what speed a record twirls round at is the result of a decision made at the cutting stage depending on the desired finished sound quality and number of tracks on the project, the original thang as recorded by the artist & mastered on DAT / whatever would *sound the same* pressed @ 45 or 33 optimum is obtained with minimum of grooves on maximum space a rough standard guide for superior reproduction [used by pressing plants] of 12" vinyl, [talking about singles *not* albums] is [max] 9 minutes per side @ 45 rpm and 14 minutes per side @ 33 to state the obvious the more tracks you cram onto a slice of 12" vinyl, the greater deterioration in both loudness, tone & dynamics you can of course cut both sides at different speeds, or different tracks on the same side at different speeds [hello U/R;] [s]m] http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/mfr "the experimental is now the conventional.the conventional is now the experimental"

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quoted 11 lines written by lwtcdi <graham@lwtcdi.prestel.co.uk>

> > written by lwtcdi <graham@lwtcdi.prestel.co.uk> > > >Yeah, but let's face it, it sounds like pure pap at 33rpm! The 'correct' > >speed is obviously 45rpm, so I wish the artist/label would cut the > >bullshit and stop pretending that Tom J knew what it was going to sound > >like at 33rpm when he made it 45rpm. > > it's all down to the physical cutting of the record > > point is an artist does NOT 'make' material at 33 or 45 rpm,

Well, yeah, obviously not, but this is missing the point of what I'm saying. It *is* cut at one particular speed, and is therefore designed to play at this speed. For an artist or label to say that it can be played at any speed is dumb because in most cases records were made at one speed and the artist has no real conception of what it would sound like at such a difference in speed that there is between 33 an 45rpm.

quoted 3 lines what speed

> what speed > a record twirls round at is the result of a decision made at the cutting > stage

{snip] Yeah, but before going ahead with mass pressings, the label gets test pressings and then submits the artwork and sleeve info to reflect the speed that the test pressing was cut at, (if they are happy with the sound of it of course, otherwise it is cut again). I know about how records are made, but what I was really saying was that the listener has the right to listen to records as whatever speed they like, whereas the artist only has the right (IMO) to tell you to listen to the music at the speed they made it at (governed by the sleeve info). As I said before it would only be pertinent to tell you it can be listened to at both speeds if it was MADE at two different speeds in relation to the speed the record was cut at. Anything else is just pretentious bullshit on the part of the artist... Gb. -- "BIG UP YA CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR" from * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * - L@@K WHAT THE CAT DRAGGED iN - ADVENT CRAZY http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/lwtcdi/all/ DAMN JUKEBOX http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/lwtcdi/all/4musjuke.htm * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * X amount of party streamers...