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1997-09-27 01:54Black Dog Droid (idm) Bj*rk Puppets
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1997-09-27 01:54Black Dog DroidSorry for the spam, if you're not interested in the bj*rk thread.. =======================
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Sorry for the spam, if you're not interested in the bj*rk thread.. ========================================= For Mr Drukman and Bjork Lovers (Puppets) ========================================= Gonzi wrote: <snip>
quoted 2 lines Bjork who has an army of many other> Bjork who has an army of many other > people to support her in those tasks.
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quoted 2 lines the scope of your delusions are frankly quite breathtaking.> the scope of your delusions are frankly quite breathtaking. > i just don't even know where to start with this.
you *could* start by not putting everybody's back up with asinine comments, jon. ...what gonzi said is pretty much near the truth. bj*rk gets the urge to use a string sound, picks up the phone to her record company. A dozen calls, and twenty minutes later a seven piece brazilian band is being flown over. if mr cylob (as an example) wants a string sound, he has to NICK IT! very punk, very right on, very underground. but, lets move on... [Disclaimer] This is my personal experience, that of mr massey, mr hooper, mr bell, mssrs handley and turner, may well be different. [end] Band 'X' - the flavour of the month, has a good groove that she gets to hear. She raves about Band 'X' to the music press. Band 'X' are very flattered. Band 'X' get invited to her studio, probably full of bigtime dreams about working with her. Their manager tells them that they will sell a lot of extra records as a result of it. The silken web is woven. They then enter into a pact with the devil, basically. The sounds are siphoned out of their synths, and downloaded into mr hooper's [or whoever's] (s)hit machines. They may get asked to hang around while mr hooper [or his team of experienced engineers] sugars their original muse beyond all recognition. Six months of this sausage factory, then you pop out the other side, out of favour, like (poor old) plaid, goldie, and tricky. haha, worth it, was it boys? I would like to see an album written 100% by Bjork. It's not too much to ask. I believe she is capable of it. *then* and only then, would i give her creds. Not that she'd "give a fuck" what we thought about her, anyway. Gon> Hmmm. What kind of risks are you taking Gon> when you already have a zillion dollars? Druk> you'd be quite surprised. major labels are not known for their Druk> willingness to indulge in new and different styles of music. i think Druk> it is to bjork's credit that she can release uncompromising music and Druk> still sell lots of copies. One little indian would probably put out a record of bjork farting, if they thought people would buy it. When major labels have a 'star' of her quality, what she says, GOES. There is a huge amount of pluggers, tweakers, and general dogsbodies that work at selling *EVERYTHING* she puts out, propelling it up into the charts. it's big business, mate. People (Djs, radio stations) buy the records, no matter what's on them, because "she's a star, isn't she". One little indian see this, and think..."aha, we're on to a winner here....do it again", and the whole sorry fucking cycle continues. Ad Nauseum. Druk>so you think bjork hires people like plaid and mark bell Druk>because of their proven hitmaking ability? just what exactly Druk> are you trying to say anyway? She wanted to work with black dog, mr massey, and mark bell, because we have *credibility* something which she skates on precariously. like people have said, plaid ain't on it. Seeya, Ken -- + . /\___/\ . * | < The Black Dog > | + * . . * . . * (. .) + | | . * . * + ___ooO__\-/__Ooo___ | | + + + + . /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ | Dogma >> | http://www.feedback.com/tbd/ * 3-5-3 * (Dis)information > | tbd@feedback.com
1997-09-29 18:27Random JunkBlack Dog Droid writes: > > Bjork who has an army of many other > > people to support her
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Black Dog Droid writes:
quoted 9 lines Bjork who has an army of many other> > Bjork who has an army of many other > > people to support her in those tasks. > > Mr Drukman wrote: > > the scope of your delusions are frankly quite breathtaking. > > i just don't even know where to start with this. > > you *could* start by not putting everybody's back up with asinine > comments, jon.
you *could* also do me the courtesy of not taking my responses out of context. i wasn't claiming that gonzi was wrong when he suggested that bjork had an army of collaborators. i was suggesting that his anti-collaborative attitude was pretty amazingly stupid.
quoted 3 lines if mr cylob (as an example) wants a string sound,> if mr cylob (as an example) wants a string sound, > he has to NICK IT! very punk, very right on, very > underground.
is it fair that bjork can afford to hire a real string section? perhaps not. does it make her music worse because she can? in your mind, yes. in my mind, nope. i guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
quoted 8 lines The sounds are siphoned out of their synths, and downloaded into mr> The sounds are siphoned out of their synths, and downloaded into mr > hooper's [or whoever's] (s)hit machines. They may get asked to hang > around while mr hooper [or his team of experienced engineers] sugars > their original muse beyond all recognition. > > Six months of this sausage factory, then you pop out the other side, > out of favour, like (poor old) plaid, goldie, and tricky. haha, > worth it, was it boys?
well, this happens on a daily basis in the music industry. it happened to me (ask me about the hardkiss brothers some day). you can take the moral high ground by only listening to "100% pure underground" records (if such a thing really exists) or you can just listen to what makes you happy. i decided a long time ago that i didn't care where it came from or who got shit on in the process of creating it. people love those hardkiss records that i worked on, and i'm glad they get off on it. i'm sorry my name isn't prominently featured but, you know, i was stupid and naive at the time. i've learned my lesson since then. there's already so little joy in the world, god forbid i would take it away from somebody.
quoted 3 lines One little indian would probably put out a record of bjork farting,> One little indian would probably put out a record of bjork farting, > if they thought people would buy it. When major labels have a 'star' > of her quality, what she says, GOES.
i'm sorry, she is just not that big a star! if her new one doesn't sell, SHE GOES. i'm sure she can get re-signed somewhere else, but that doesn't change the fact that there is incredible pressure on her to "move the product".
quoted 3 lines There is a huge amount of pluggers, tweakers, and general dogsbodies> There is a huge amount of pluggers, tweakers, and general dogsbodies > that work at selling *EVERYTHING* she puts out, propelling it up > into the charts. it's big business, mate.
yep. and of course they use that as an excuse not to pay her for her work.
quoted 2 lines She wanted to work with black dog, mr massey, and mark bell, because> She wanted to work with black dog, mr massey, and mark bell, because > we have *credibility* something which she skates on precariously.
uh huh. who is she trying to impress then? obviously not "us". and since the average yobbo doesn't give a squirt about massey or bell or plaid, where does that leave her? -- Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com SpotMedia Communications ...I was an infinitely hot and dense dot...
1997-09-27 02:16phlux@ix.netcom.com>bj*rk gets the urge to use a string sound, picks up >the phone to her record company. A d
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quoted 8 lines bj*rk gets the urge to use a string sound, picks up>bj*rk gets the urge to use a string sound, picks up >the phone to her record company. A dozen calls, and >twenty minutes later a seven piece brazilian band is >being flown over. > >if mr cylob (as an example) wants a string sound, >he has to NICK IT! very punk, very right on, very >underground.
Or have one given to him by Richard James.....check the liner notes of Cylobian Sunset ;) ROB **********LOGIQ'S NEW CD**************** BIG ON MARS 11 Tracks of Electronic Bliss http://www.sinless.com/logiq ****************************************
1997-09-27 03:28cl> The sounds are siphoned out of their synths, and > downloaded into mr hooper's [or whoev
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quoted 9 lines The sounds are siphoned out of their synths, and> The sounds are siphoned out of their synths, and > downloaded into mr hooper's [or whoever's] (s)hit > machines. They may get asked to hang around while > mr hooper [or his team of experienced engineers] > sugars their original muse beyond all recognition. > > Six months of this sausage factory, then you pop out > the other side, out of favour, like (poor old) plaid, > goldie, and tricky. haha, worth it, was it boys?
i dont know about goldie, tricky, etc. , but plaid and mark bell have done multiple collaborations/mixes. if their ideas/products were mangled so badly, why would they go back? and please dont tell me that $ is so the end all be all. bell and plaid have release schedules that surely indicate that they arent in a hurry to push their music to the masses. and on a somewhat related note i am surprised that people are worried about who is getting respect on bjorks releases. the fact that everyone on the idm list knows who the collaboraters/producers are indicates that they are not being buried to accentuate her position on a pedestal. idm content- could anyone who gets the bent crayon updates give any info to me or the list about the new irdial releases they have posted. some of them look intriguing, but i wouldnt know which one(s) to get. thanks, cl
1997-09-27 18:41wellsAt 10:28 PM 9/26/97 -0500, cl wrote: >and on a somewhat related note i am surprised that p
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At 10:28 PM 9/26/97 -0500, cl wrote:
quoted 4 lines and on a somewhat related note i am surprised that people are worried>and on a somewhat related note i am surprised that people are worried >about who is getting respect on bjorks releases. the fact that everyone >on the idm list knows who the collaboraters/producers are indicates that >they are not being buried to accentuate her position on a pedestal.
quite the opposite.. the average Bjork fan doesn't know. the average MTV viewer doesn't know. you might not think that matters, but when i read rolling stone or spin (as i'm so wont to do occasionally) and hear them lauding bjork as a musical genius (creative, innovative, BREAKING NEW GROUNDS) it just irks me because i can see her sitting in her studio, sipping on a soda, pointing at howie b, goldie, tricky, mark bell, plaid, etc, etc telling them "yeah that sounds good. let me howl over that for a minute." and yet, she gets all the credit in the press. of course, the IDM list knows, but still... - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu "i know it's only his body & all that's in the cemetary, & his soul's in heaven and all that crap, but i couldn't stand it anyway. i just wish he wasn't there. you didn't know him. if you'd known him, you'd know what i mean. it's not too bad when the sun's out, but the sun only comes out when it feels like coming out." - holden caulfield
1997-09-27 13:27Black Dog DroidHi Franz, > At 02:54 1997-09-27 +0100, you wrote: > >For Mr Drukman and Bjork Lovers (Pupp
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Hi Franz,
quoted 4 lines At 02:54 1997-09-27 +0100, you wrote:> At 02:54 1997-09-27 +0100, you wrote: > >For Mr Drukman and Bjork Lovers (Puppets) > > Fuck off... this is rude.
Thanks Franz, very eloquent.
quoted 1 line She IS composing all of her tracks (well...90% of em anyway),> She IS composing all of her tracks (well...90% of em anyway),
sorry, but that's just bullshit. so she comes in and goes "i have this la-de-da riff" and mark bell plays what he thinks she's hearing into the seq. me being me, i'd say that's a 50% collaboration. absolutely no problem with that, except that it doesn't appear on the sleeve/credits like that.
quoted 1 line I don't really need this shit attitude from an artist> I don't really need this shit attitude from an artist
Are you blinkered to reality then ???
quoted 2 lines If SOMEONE was without envy I though it was wrong, I'm> If SOMEONE was without envy I though it was wrong, I'm > really sad to see I was wrong.
What me, envy bjork ??? haha, completely wrong franz. there is nobody i would rather *less* be. Ugh.
quoted 1 line Were you skating on the late WSBs credibility as well then?> Were you skating on the late WSBs credibility as well then?
NO, we are/were both outrageous magicians and drug addicts who like to tell things as they are, or as we see them (if you prefer), no matter how many chimps find that offensive. Seeya, Ken -- + . /\___/\ . * | < The Black Dog > | + * . . * . . * (. .) + | | . * . * + ___ooO__\-/__Ooo___ | | + + + + . /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ | Dogma >> | http://www.feedback.com/tbd/ * 3-5-3 * (Dis)information > | tbd@feedback.com
1997-09-27 19:03ReZOn8oR@aol.comIn a message dated 97-09-26 21:56:30 EDT, you write: << Band 'X' - the flavour of the mont
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In a message dated 97-09-26 21:56:30 EDT, you write: << Band 'X' - the flavour of the month, has a good groove that she gets to hear. She raves about Band 'X' to the music press. Band 'X' are very flattered. Band 'X' get invited to her studio, probably full of bigtime dreams about working with her. Their manager tells them that they will sell a lot of extra records as a result of it. The silken web is woven. They then enter into a pact with the devil, basically. >> Erm...one argument w/this....I really doubt Massey, Tricky, Bell, et al would continue to work w/Bjork if they were truly getting screwed over like this...one would assume they enjoy working w/her. But I'm sick of the topic---everyone go out and get "Surrender to the Air" it's 8 or 9 jazz/fusion guys working together (Medeski is the only one I can think of off the top of my head). It's jazz, but it's real dark and post-apocalyptic; great to drive to or just chill to. Also, all you Dallas area IDMers--CD World on the Belt Line is a pretty hip place...I picked up the new Stereolab for something like $11 and I grabbed a copy of the Black Dog--Spanners for $6. --Matt