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1997-09-25 16:42d... (idm) the USPS and gil gershmann
└─ 1997-09-25 17:40Greg Clow Re: (idm) the USPS and gil gershmann
1997-09-25 20:00Aca Re: (idm) the USPS and gil gershmann
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1997-09-25 16:42d...hello ladies and gentlemen, i have a question to put forth to all of you. about 2 weeks ag
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hello ladies and gentlemen, i have a question to put forth to all of you. about 2 weeks ago i sent $15 u.s (i am in canada) to gil for some cd's he had advertised here. (as an aside, i sent some money to another person on the same day, it was received in less than a week) i e-mailed him yesterday asking if he had received my money and i got a 'it's been lost in the mail' reply. he went on to say that he has horrid luck with the USPS and that he constantly loses stuff at the hands of the USPS. i called the USPS and posed this scenario to them. the man i spoke to laughed out loud and said that on occaision the USPS loses mail but never to the same address multiple times inside of a month. my question to all of you is this: in your dealings with the USPS and/or gil gershmann, is it likely that my letter (and money) has been lost in the mail or am i being taken for a ride? judging from what i have read here in the past i have my own ideas but i thought i'd like to get some input from people who know what's up. i sent cash because in my 4+ years of dealing on the net i haven't been burned. i guess there is a first time for everything but i'd like to get the opinions of the people who really know. all of you. my apologies to those of you who either aren't in the u.s. or could care less about my problem. sorry for the use of bandwidth. replies via e-mail please. later, peace, love and ambience. d... d@techno.ca orbital@clo.com http://www.clo.com/~orbital
1997-09-25 17:40Greg ClowOn Thu, 25 Sep 1997, d... wrote: > about 2 weeks ago i sent $15 u.s (i am in canada) > to
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quoted 10 lines about 2 weeks ago i sent $15 u.s (i am in canada)> about 2 weeks ago i sent $15 u.s (i am in canada) > to gil for some cd's he had advertised here. > i e-mailed him yesterday asking if he had received > my money and i got a 'it's been lost in the mail' reply. > he went on to say that he has horrid luck with the > USPS and that he constantly loses stuff at the hands > of the USPS. i called the USPS and posed this scenario > to them. the man i spoke to laughed out loud and said > that on occaision the USPS loses mail but never to > the same address multiple times inside of a month.
Well first off, do you really expect that someone at the USPS (or any postal service for that matter) is going to say "Oh, yes, it's quite possible that we could lose a lot of mail to the same address, in fact it happens all the time". Not bloody likely. Anyway, here's a post office nightmare that really happened to me: Up until a few weeks ago, the post office in my neighbourhood was located in the back of a small stationery store at the end of my street. From my first experience with them when I moved into the area 3 1/2 years back, I didn't like them. It was a family run joint, and every member of the family (mom, dad & two sons) were either apathetic, rude or both everytime I went there. Soon after I moved into the area, I started doing freelance music writing. A little while after that, I started my radio show. As a result, I started getting promo CDs sent to me from all over the place. I'm rarely warned by the labels when stuff was sent to me, so I never know what to expect in my mail from day to day. Now, most small packages (1 or 2 CDs) are delivered by the mailman. But anything larger than that is sent to my local post office who are supposed to send me a card telling me to come pick up the package. These cards would arrive occassionally and I'd go pick up the discs. But then, I started getting email from a couple of labels saying "hey, how come the latest (insert names here) discs that we sent you haven't been showing up on your playlists?". Well, that would be because I never received the discs. After this happened a couple of times, I asked about it at the post office and got a typical "we know nothing" response. I considered a call to the Canada Post complaints line, but never got around to it. Until I had a package of CDs that I *paid for* go missing. Well, I hadn't actually paid for them yet - I'd ordered them from BMG Music Service, who I called and told that the package hadn't arrived. So they shipped another one. It disappeared too. I called BMG again. They were very understanding, and offered to start shipping to my work address instead. They did so, and I had the discs within a week. I also called Canada Post and lodged a complaint. They didn't seem too concerned, but said they'd check into it. Well, it appears that they did, because about a month ago, I returned from vacation to find a "parcel pick-up" card with a new address on it - the post office had been moved to the drug store down the street. When I went to pick up the package (a bundle of goodies from Dot! woo hoo!) I mentioned how glad I was that they had moved the post office, and was told that I wasn't the only one. In fact, many of the people coming in to pick up stuff at the new location mentioned having problems with the old place. The woman behind the counter then told me that a criminal investigation had been started against the stationery store. I cruised by a few minutes later to fine the "post office here" signs in the window replaced with "store for rent" and "everything 1/2 price" signs. I was very, very happy. Bastards. The moral? Mail *does* go missing more often than the postal service would like you to believe. Of course, since my story involves packages, not letters, and employees of a sub-contracted private shop, not actual postal workers, it doesn't have whole lot of bearing on this particular situation. But I needed to vent. Greg
1997-09-25 20:00Aca> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:42:14 -0400 > From: "d..." <orbital@clo.com> > Subject: (idm)
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quoted 3 lines Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:42:14 -0400> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:42:14 -0400 > From: "d..." <orbital@clo.com> > Subject: (idm) the USPS and gil gershmann
quoted 2 lines hello ladies and gentlemen,> hello ladies and gentlemen, > i have a question to put forth to all of you.
quoted 12 lines about 2 weeks ago i sent $15 u.s (i am in canada)> about 2 weeks ago i sent $15 u.s (i am in canada) > to gil for some cd's he had advertised here. > (as an aside, i sent some money to another person > on the same day, it was received in less than a week) > i e-mailed him yesterday asking if he had received > my money and i got a 'it's been lost in the mail' reply. > he went on to say that he has horrid luck with the > USPS and that he constantly loses stuff at the hands > of the USPS. i called the USPS and posed this scenario > to them. the man i spoke to laughed out loud and said > that on occaision the USPS loses mail but never to > the same address multiple times inside of a month.
quoted 7 lines my question to all of you is this: in your dealings> my question to all of you is this: in your dealings > with the USPS and/or gil gershmann, is it likely that > my letter (and money) has been lost in the mail > or am i being taken for a ride? judging from what > i have read here in the past i have my own ideas > but i thought i'd like to get some input from people > who know what's up.
Oh dear, I'm sorry to tell you that you've been ripped off. Gil Gershman does this kind of thing regularly. Just ask some of the other people he has scammed (or tried to...) mclance@nacs.net PUCKERED1@aol.com bcrayon@bentcrayon.com Zedody@aol.com Barabajang@aol.com cdtoad@nacs.net AltPress@aol.com tkuveab@grove.iup.edu chadfreeman@usa.net ...and many more (including myself) I regularly warn people on this IDM-list not to get involved with Gil, but there are always people who rush to his defence or tell me not to clutter the list with such remarks. Ah well... Maybe when he reads your post, he'll suddenly 'find' your cash at the bottom of his mailbox. Good luck... Aca
1997-09-25 15:50Tim FothergillHave to say that I know absolutely nothing about Gil Gershmann. I'd just like to share how
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Have to say that I know absolutely nothing about Gil Gershmann. I'd just like to share how I sorted my mail problems. Chilean mail is dodgy even at the best of times. I just got people to send me things to my work address. Probably helps that I work in a university (you're average postal worker probably reckons that things going to a university are either dangerous or of no use to them). I'm still waiting (not really, I long ago gave up all hope) for a parcel from about three months ago. I get the impression that the people who deliver the mail are more likely to snaffle mail going to houses than businesses. Obviously, this is only of any use to people who have a work address they can use. Tim If you want to be thought a liar, always tell the truth
1997-09-25 22:02BOB_WEISEND@Non-HP-Sunnyvale-om5.om.hp.comItem Subject: cc:Mail Text >my question to all of you is this: in your dealings >with the
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Item Subject: cc:Mail Text >my question to all of you is this: in your dealings >with the USPS and/or gil gershmann, is it likely that >my letter (and money) has been lost in the mail >or am i being taken for a ride? Gil has had a less-than-stellar reputation on this list, but my last dealing with him went down OK (granted, HE was sending ME $$$, so it was risk-free on my side). But you are a fool for sending CASH in the mail to someone whom you've never dealt with before. You might as well write it off and get on with life. Send a check/M.O. next time, and at least you can put a stop-payment on it if you get the "USPS fucked up" story. -Bob W