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after careful considerations and giving it MORE than a fair chance, i'd like to cast my vote for the WORST RELEASE OF 1997 as.. u-Ziq's "urmur bile trax" this should have definately NOT been released. what a stupid disc. oh well. - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu " when our worlds they fall apart when the walls come tumbling in though we may deserve it it will be worth it."

after uncareful considerations and giving it LESS than a fair chance, i'd like to cast my vote for the WORST E-MAIL OF 1997 as.. wells <s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu> this should have definately NOT been sent. what a stupid mail. oh well. " when our worlds they fall apart when the walls come tumbling in though we may deserve it it will be worth it."

On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, wells wrote:

quoted 7 lines after careful considerations and giving it MORE than a fair chance, i'd

> after careful considerations and giving it MORE than a fair chance, i'd > like to cast my vote for the WORST RELEASE OF 1997 as.. > > u-Ziq's "urmur bile trax" > > this should have definately NOT been released. what a stupid disc. >

Considering that Lunatic Harness is arguably one of the best releases of the year, Mike is certainly a well rounded individual. And Urmur Bile tracks has it's moments, came out as a domestic in the US, so quit yer bitchin ;-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Psyche manifests as psychic through something we call 'winding', because it twists, and puts things that were far apart next to each other, complicatedly, taffywise." -- winona on channel 78 Kent Williams kent@inav.net -- http://soli.inav.net/~kent

quoted 4 lines after careful considerations and giving it MORE than a fair chance, i'd

> after careful considerations and giving it MORE than a fair chance, i'd > like to cast my vote for the WORST RELEASE OF 1997 as.. > > u-Ziq's "urmur bile trax"

vol1. is pretty poor. vol2. has some tunes that really kick. "Hornet" is supa-phat. freshie <-- rave god (It's a joke. Stolen from Washington Post article on Scott Henry)

quoted 11 lines this should have definately NOT been released. what a stupid disc.

> this should have definately NOT been released. what a stupid disc. > > oh well. > > - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu > > " when our worlds they fall apart > when the walls come tumbling in > though we may deserve it > it will be worth it." >

freshie Paranoia: The choice of a Tech Generation http://silly.com/~tang

wells wrote:

quoted 7 lines after careful considerations and giving it MORE than a fair chance, i'd

> > after careful considerations and giving it MORE than a fair chance, i'd > like to cast my vote for the WORST RELEASE OF 1997 as.. > > u-Ziq's "urmur bile trax" > > this should have definately NOT been released. what a stupid disc.

Even worse then the spice girls? Thats pretty funny Wells, I though it was just ok, with a few quite nice tracks like 'the hornet'. I could name about 999 records that suck a hell of a lot worse... word out, brock out. np: Cylob - 'diof 97'

wells wrote:

quoted 6 lines after careful considerations and giving it MORE than a fair chance,

> after careful considerations and giving it MORE than a fair chance, > i'd > like to cast my vote for the WORST RELEASE OF 1997 as.. > > u-Ziq's "urmur bile trax" >

I'm just gonna pretend you didn't say that.....No actually FUCK YOU!!! I Looooooooooove Urmur Bile. You know, no one asked you to listen to this album, so please don't be a musical snob and have some respect for Paradinas for fuck's sake!!!

At 04:12 PM 8/22/97 +1000, April O'Neal wrote: >I'm just gonna pretend you didn't say that.....No actually FUCK YOU!!! I

quoted 3 lines Looooooooooove Urmur Bile. You know, no one asked you to listen to this

>Looooooooooove Urmur Bile. You know, no one asked you to listen to this >album, so please don't be a musical snob and have some respect for >Paradinas for fuck's sake!!!

Posts like those should be done through private e-mail if at all. It gets rather tiresome to read "fuck you" "fuck that" "fucks sake" posts on public lists. It's one thing to post you like or dislike something but "fuck you" flames and similar crap don't need to be in hundreds of people's mailboxes. More often than not people say "fuck you" because they can't think of anything intelligent to say. Post something a little more thought out and interesting, as this is supposedly the I(intelligent)DM list.

On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, April O'Neal wrote:

quoted 13 lines wells wrote:

> wells wrote: > > > after careful considerations and giving it MORE than a fair chance, > > i'd > > like to cast my vote for the WORST RELEASE OF 1997 as.. > > > > u-Ziq's "urmur bile trax" > > > > I'm just gonna pretend you didn't say that.....No actually FUCK YOU!!! I > Looooooooooove Urmur Bile. You know, no one asked you to listen to this > album, so please don't be a musical snob and have some respect for > Paradinas for fuck's sake!!!

You know I don't know why people hate this EP so much. While I would agree that Umur is one of Mike's weaker over-all efforts it does contains some of my fave u-ziq tracks, "Let Let" and the Phi 1700 remix. I mean, who would've thought that you could use an Ornette Coleman and Jean-Jaques Perrey samples in a drum n' bass tune and have it work so well ("Let Let")? And I think that the Phi remix really grows and develops over it's 10 minutes. Howie

At 11:08 AM 8/22/97 -0400, Broken wrote:

quoted 11 lines You know I don't know why people hate this EP so much.

>You know I don't know why people hate this EP so much. >While I would agree that Umur is one of Mike's weaker over-all efforts it >does contains some of my fave u-ziq tracks, "Let Let" and the Phi 1700 >remix. > >I mean, who would've thought that you could use an Ornette Coleman and >Jean-Jaques Perrey samples in a drum n' bass tune and have it work so >well ("Let Let")? And I think that the Phi remix really grows and develops >over it's 10 minutes. > >Howie

there's a Phi 1700 remix? what's the the title? phi 1700 is probably my favorite paradinas track ever... too bad the urmur EP is trash... - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu " when our worlds they fall apart when the walls come tumbling in though we may deserve it it will be worth it."

On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, wells wrote:

quoted 9 lines I mean, who would've thought that you could use an Ornette Coleman and

> >I mean, who would've thought that you could use an Ornette Coleman and > >Jean-Jaques Perrey samples in a drum n' bass tune and have it work so > >well ("Let Let")? And I think that the Phi remix really grows and develops > >over it's 10 minutes. > > > >Howie > > there's a Phi 1700 remix? what's the the title? phi 1700 is probably my > favorite paradinas track ever... too bad the urmur EP is trash...

Yeah, it's 1 Hip 007 or somehing like that. One thing I'm curious about is why you think Umur is trash. I'm not out to flame you or anything. Just want some specifics about from a different point of view. The combination of the Ornette & JJP samples just strikes some emotional chord in me that makes go "Wow." I suppose the EP has the opposite effect on you? Howie

At 04:15 PM 8/22/97 -0400, Broken wrote:

quoted 10 lines Yeah, it's 1 Hip 007 or somehing like that. One thing I'm curious about is

>Yeah, it's 1 Hip 007 or somehing like that. One thing I'm curious about is >why you think Umur is trash. I'm not out to flame you or anything. Just >want some specifics about from a different point of view. > >The combination of the Ornette & JJP samples just strikes some emotional >chord in me that makes go "Wow." > >I suppose the EP has the opposite effect on you? > >Howie

the whole EP sounds really empty to me, like Mike just threw it together to get something out to keep up w/ richard in the DNB category. it doesn't feel deep or meaningful or even well-done. the programming is sloppy... it just really strikes me as an empty release. but, like i said, lunatic harness is great so i'll forgive him. - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu " when our worlds they fall apart when the walls come tumbling in though we may deserve it it will be worth it."

In a message dated 97-08-22 02:09:44 EDT, you write: << 'm just gonna pretend you didn't say that.....No actually FUCK YOU!!! I Looooooooooove Urmur Bile. You know, no one asked you to listen to this album, so please don't be a musical snob and have some respect for Paradinas for fuck's sake!!! >> YEA woo hoo. And quit bashing coldcut too. It is all a matter of interest and opinion; people will never learn this. peace np. piggy

quoted 8 lines << 'm just gonna pretend you didn't say that.....No actually FUCK YOU!!! I

> > << 'm just gonna pretend you didn't say that.....No actually FUCK YOU!!! I > Looooooooooove Urmur Bile. You know, no one asked you to listen to this > album, so please don't be a musical snob and have some respect for > Paradinas for fuck's sake!!! > >> > YEA woo hoo. And quit bashing coldcut too. It is all a matter of interest > and opinion; people will never learn this.

i thought that an 'opinion' on ubt was exactly what was being offered. this list doesn't exist for the purpose of eulogising everyones favourite artists (does it?). the poster offered a review (albeit a primitive one) of an album which i personally find unlistenable, although I enjoy pretty much every other MP release. Maybe some people like it, but it's worth informing people that this is a listen before you buy effort, plur mike

someone wrote previously something along the lines of this: urmur bile's the worst album of the year....blah blah blah.....etc. while I certainly didn't think that urmur bile trax was his best work, i wouldn't put it down as the worst album. In fact, with the release of Lunatic Harness (which 80% of I love to death), I have been forced to kind of look back and re-evaluate the qualities of UBT, and I've decided that I like it better now than when I first bought it. Of course, like most releases, it has it's ups and downs. Even the mighty Ae have their ups and downs :) though, so it can't be worth panning it to the bottom for just a couple of poor tracks. fanning the flames of the u-ziq war..... np: my noisy damn air conditioner. _________________________________________________ Brian Rachielles- UC Santa Barbara (.b) Production Director KCSB fm 91.9 1997-98 Audio Program thurs 2-4am ambient-idm-noise web- http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/4980

wells wrote:

quoted 2 lines there's a Phi 1700 remix? what's the the title? phi 1700 is probably

> there's a Phi 1700 remix? what's the the title? phi 1700 is probably > my favorite paradinas track ever... too bad the urmur EP is trash...

hahahahahaha! So the Urmur Bile basher doesn't have the other volume? Classic! Here's the track listing, wells baby... Volume 2: The Hydrozone (6:18) 1 Hip 007* (12:53) Hornet (8:40) The Phonic Socks (7:07) ------ I rather like Volume 2 myself! So there! hahahahaha again! brock. np: Heads 2a.d1

At 01:40 PM 8/22/97 -0700, Brock Suter wrote:

quoted 20 lines wells wrote:

>wells wrote: > >> there's a Phi 1700 remix? what's the the title? phi 1700 is probably >> my favorite paradinas track ever... too bad the urmur EP is trash... > >hahahahahaha! > >So the Urmur Bile basher doesn't have the other volume? > >Classic! > >Here's the track listing, wells baby... > >Volume 2: > >The Hydrozone (6:18) >1 Hip 007* (12:53) >Hornet (8:40) >The Phonic Socks (7:07) >

uh. i have both volumes (they were released on the same disc on Astralwerks). i guess 1 hip 007 is the remix? i just wasn't sure. by the way: it still sucks ;) but Lunatic Harness is great so i'll forgive Mike P. - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu " when our worlds they fall apart when the walls come tumbling in though we may deserve it it will be worth it."

I think one of the worst releases I've picked up this year were the Like-A-Tim remixes (rePhlex). Boring. But then again, I'd really have to think about what really was the absolute worst release I've picked up this year. t.S.o.G.

I have to agree on this one. Really boring release. I only bought it to get somewhat of an impression on the DMX Krew stuff. The Bochum Welt remix is one of the worst remixes I've heard in a while. Can't understand how someone can completly ruin such a nice track *shakes head*. All just my opinion of course, so anybody who likes these remixes... dont bother to flame me. Marc On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 Tsog5000@aol.com wrote:

quoted 7 lines I think one of the worst releases I've picked up this year were the

> I think one of the worst releases I've picked up this year were the > Like-A-Tim remixes (rePhlex). Boring. But then again, I'd really have to > think about what really was the absolute worst release I've picked up this > year. > > t.S.o.G. >

In message <970822190350_1058603634@emout01.mail.aol.com>, Tsog5000@aol.com writes

quoted 5 lines I think one of the worst releases I've picked up this year were the

>I think one of the worst releases I've picked up this year were the >Like-A-Tim remixes (rePhlex). Boring. But then again, I'd really have to >think about what really was the absolute worst release I've picked up this >year. >

The one that goes up and down in tempo, i think it's the second remix of the Bochum Welt track, really really annoys me... -- Ben Coffer Hybrid Productions http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/

PLeXitMIND@aol.com wrote:

quoted 7 lines I'm just gonna pretend you didn't say that.....No actually FUCK YOU!!! I

> > I'm just gonna pretend you didn't say that.....No actually FUCK YOU!!! I > > Looooooooooove Urmur Bile. You know, no one asked you to listen to this > > album, so please don't be a musical snob and have some respect for > > Paradinas for fuck's sake!!! > > YEA woo hoo. And quit bashing coldcut too. It is all a matter of interest > and opinion; people will never learn this.

Hang on a tick. Sure nobody asked him to. Maybe his opinion was pretty extreme. But isn't this list a forum for people to express their "interest and opinion" on music? The original poster was well on topic and deserved a bit better than "FUCK YOU!" and "don't be a snob". Will people "never learn" what this list is about? :-) All I know is I've got an awful lot of Mike P stuff in my CD cabinet right now and it seems that the quicker he puts them out the less satisfying they become (obviously and redundantly IMO). Only so much creative energy to go around? Spreading himself too thinly? I don't know if I believe that theory. But Urmur et al add weight to it (IMO again for all those not watching). I haven't heard Lunatic Harness yet BTW. From the sounds of it I'm in for a treat (I liked Tango/Bluff/Pine). Q -- qforce@holon.net http://www.holon.net/qforce/

quoted 8 lines All I know is I've got an awful lot of Mike P stuff in my CD cabinet

> All I know is I've got an awful lot of Mike P stuff in my CD cabinet > right now and it seems that the quicker he puts them out the less > satisfying they become (obviously and redundantly IMO). Only so much > creative energy to go around? Spreading himself too thinly? I don't > know if I believe that theory. But Urmur et al add weight to it (IMO > again for all those not watching). I haven't heard Lunatic Harness yet > BTW. From the sounds of it I'm in for a treat (I liked > Tango/Bluff/Pine).

I picked up Urmer Bile Trax cd a little while ago and it was ok... not at all what I expected, so the surprise was nice... different though... next I picked up Tango & Vectif, which I enjoyed quite a bit, but it was alotogether TOO much like to many other items I had purchased beforehand (not that that particularly means that this came out later than what I refer to)... thus, it left something to be desired... Picked up Lunatic Harness yesterday and like it quite a bit, but leaves me with the same taste in my mouth as T&V... theres something overplayed running through it... still a great release, but I'm wishing that I'd saved my pennies and picked up certain items one of the world's greatest mailorders happened to mention today, or the Single of the Week, or the new Vibert, etc etc... Chris brap@sonic.net HeathenNet: http://www.sonic.net/~brap/ C.Gosselin, PO Box 8264, Santa Rosa, CA 95407 **Dot, Black Dog, P-Orridge, RealAudio, Reviews** **Search Engine, BBS, & Other Stuff Like That..** *************************************************

I might catch a lot of flack for this but, IMO funkci porcini's 'let's see what carmen can do' is the worst of '97. I just feel let down after I listen to 'Hed Phone Sex' then listen to '...camen...". Well, maybe it's not THE worst but, I just got finished 'trying' to listen to it so, it's fresh in my mind. ReAnim8or "...Those young people who ripped off their clothes and acted like animals, they said, 'it's the music...it's the music..."

quoted 5 lines I might catch a lot of flack for this but, IMO funkci porcini's 'let's see

> I might catch a lot of flack for this but, IMO funkci porcini's 'let's see > what carmen can do' is the worst of '97. I just feel let down after I listen > to 'Hed Phone Sex' then listen to '...camen...". Well, maybe it's not THE > worst but, I just got finished 'trying' to listen to it so, it's fresh in my > mind.

Anyone fill me in on how this compares to Love Pussycats & Carwrecks? I love this, but its all I've heard really (tho someday my Carwreck cd single may come in...) Chris brap@sonic.net HeathenNet: http://www.sonic.net/~brap/ C.Gosselin, PO Box 8264, Santa Rosa, CA 95407 **Dot, Black Dog, P-Orridge, RealAudio, Reviews** **Search Engine, BBS, & Other Stuff Like That..** *************************************************

Yeah, hanging my head in shame for buying it... (LIKE a Tim) I thought it would be some thing that sounded close to the speedy j remixes.

quoted 9 lines Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 23:14:33 -0400 (EDT)

>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 23:14:33 -0400 (EDT) >From: MARC WANGENHEIM <rephlex@choice.net> >To: Tsog5000@aol.com >cc: idm-owner@hyperreal.org, idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: (idm) WORST RELEASE OF 1997 > > >I have to agree on this one. Really boring release. I only bought it to >get somewhat of an impression on the DMX Krew stuff. The Bochum Welt

remix

quoted 12 lines is one of the worst remixes I've heard in a while. Can't understand how

>is one of the worst remixes I've heard in a while. Can't understand how >someone can completly ruin such a nice track *shakes head*. All just my >opinion of course, so anybody who likes these remixes... dont bother to >flame me. > >Marc > > >On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 Tsog5000@aol.com wrote: > >> I think one of the worst releases I've picked up this year were the >> Like-A-Tim remixes (rePhlex). Boring. But then again, I'd really have

to

quoted 1 line think about what really was the absolute worst release I've picked up

>> think about what really was the absolute worst release I've picked up

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quoted 6 lines year.

>> year. >> >> t.S.o.G. >> > >

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quoted 1 line I might catch a lot of flack for this but, IMO funkci porcini's

> I might catch a lot of flack for this but, IMO funkci porcini's

'let's see

quoted 1 line what carmen can do' is the worst of '97. I just feel let down after I

>what carmen can do' is the worst of '97. I just feel let down after I

listen

quoted 1 line to 'Hed Phone Sex' then listen to '...camen...". Well, maybe it's

>to 'Hed Phone Sex' then listen to '...camen...". Well, maybe it's not

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quoted 1 line worst but, I just got finished 'trying' to listen to it so, it's fresh

>worst but, I just got finished 'trying' to listen to it so, it's fresh

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>mind.

i like it. why do you think so? put some reasoning behind your claims. .... grav

quoted 1 line I might catch a lot of flack for this but, IMO funkci porcini's

>> I might catch a lot of flack for this but, IMO funkci porcini's

'let's see

quoted 1 line what carmen can do' is the worst of '97. I just feel let down after I

>> what carmen can do' is the worst of '97. I just feel let down after I

listen

quoted 1 line to 'Hed Phone Sex' then listen to '...camen...". Well, maybe it's

>> to 'Hed Phone Sex' then listen to '...camen...". Well, maybe it's not

THE

quoted 1 line worst but, I just got finished 'trying' to listen to it so, it's fresh

>> worst but, I just got finished 'trying' to listen to it so, it's fresh

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>> mind. > >Anyone fill me in on how this compares to Love Pussycats & Carwrecks? >I love this, but its all I've heard really (tho someday my Carwreck >cd single may come in...)

i have the vinyl of the Carwreck EP and it is one of the best EPs that i have. all 4 songs are great. as far as how carmen compares... the carwreck EP is much better, but there is also some great stuff on carmen. it is worth having imo, for the $10 or so. .... grav