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I heard that there were some Plaid full lengths on GPR back in 1992, does anybody have them or know anything about them. I am also curious about Balil eps, I have Parasight ep. Are there any others? Does anyone have Kinesthesia - Empathy Box? Is it released yet.

quoted 2 lines Does anyone have Kinesthesia - Empathy Box? Is it released yet.

> Does anyone have Kinesthesia - Empathy Box? Is it released yet. >

I picked up my copy last Saturday. It sounds a bit like SAWII to my ears, but maybe a bit more uptempo. It gets a little clankier and more beat oriented as it goes along. There's a pretty crazy bonus track buried way out in the middle of the virgin aluminum. The album itself is only ~40 minutes. This is fine with me. I'm tired of buying disks stuffed with 30 minutes of filler that the artists includes because they feel like they need to fill up the space. The packaging, on the other hand, is hideous.

Hi! Bjork & Red Snapper are supposed to get their asses down to Israel this summer. Does anyone know if plaid will still be playing with bjork (as per rumurs) ? regards! "To all my fans around the world..." (Eylon Israeli, 96)

quoted 8 lines From: g3@bleep.org (g3)

> >From: g3@bleep.org (g3) >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:25:40 GMT >Subject: (idm) Ae gig(s) > >assorted Aethings. > >Aelive w/plaidlive and markbroomdj @ (barcelona) 29 / 11 / 96

Does this mean plaid are done with the bjork side show and back working on their album or is it just wishfull thinking? Snow.

anyone have a release date: Plaid -Undoneson -12"/CDS 3 new tecno tunes from the artist also known as Black Dog. Bonus tracks are "Spudink" & "Headspin"

mentioning A13... I have a comp. called Experimenta which is really great! (esp. the TURA aka THE BLACK DOG & well... actually all of it) anyways, does anyone know how other label releases compare to the comp.(since only a few tracks are credited to A13 Productions), and what the discography of the label is?! thanks

can anyone post a quick plaid discography, or tell me where i can find one? np : mike & rich 'the sound of beady eyes' - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu "i know it's only his body & all that's in the cemetary, & his soul's in heaven and all that crap, but i couldn't stand it anyway. i just wish he wasn't there. you didn't know him. if you'd known him, you'd know what i mean. it's not too bad when the sun's out, but the sun only comes out when it feels like coming out." - holden caulfield

quoted 1 line can anyone post a quick plaid discography, or tell me where i can find one?

> can anyone post a quick plaid discography, or tell me where i can find one?

http://www.sonic.net/~brap/blackdog/ same discograghy that, at least used to be, at MFR site (just checked the url for it and not sure if its still up) there's also Henrik's discography... http://www.abc.se/~m9550/total2.txt I know that this discograghy was also used at least in part for the one that I retrieved from Stu @ MFR... He also has the live plaid.ra up there still! Hope that helps! Chris brap@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~brap/ Black Dog, Dot, Genesis P-Orridge, Whitezone-L, etc. C.Gosselin, PO Box 8264, Santa Rosa, CA 95407

eeewwww...why so many vocal parts on the plaid full-length? maybe next time ed and andy won't resort to using their famous friends voices. i just don't understand, i was really enjoying the sounds on the album until the voices kicked in. what do the rest of you who heard the album think? am i alone thinking the vocals should've been left out? personally i can see past it, but i know i'd prefer the album sans bjork, nicollete and whoever else plays their bagpipes, err i believe even andy sings a bit too. yikes, what's the world coming too? lately i've been noticing a lot of vocal tracks being added to electronic musicians work, who in the past mostly refrained from it, and while i guess some people enjoy the use of singing over beats, i know i definitely do not. at the very least i wanna hear people do something different with the vocals, and while i guess i've been hearing a little bit of that lately, i'm still pro-instrumental, with the voice being left out. love always, warrenshadey ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

quoted 1 line eeewwww...why so many vocal parts on the plaid full-length?

>eeewwww...why so many vocal parts on the plaid full-length?

heard of something called 'artistic freedom'?

quoted 2 lines maybe next

>maybe next >time ed and andy won't resort to using their famous friends voices.

but hopefully they will.

quoted 1 line i just don't understand,

> i just don't understand,

that's for sure. cheerio! np - the art of stalking - suburban knight

On Fri, 31 Oct 1997, siliconvortex wrote:

quoted 3 lines eeewwww...why so many vocal parts on the plaid full-length?

> >eeewwww...why so many vocal parts on the plaid full-length? > > heard of something called 'artistic freedom'?

heard of something called 'commercial sellout'? Bjork's appearance should be good for moving a few more thousand units to Bjork trainspotters. Plus, music with vocals usually sells better, at least, that's all my wife or virtually any female I know will listen to. Che

On Fri, 31 Oct 1997, Che wrote:

quoted 3 lines heard of something called 'commercial sellout'? Bjork's appearance

> heard of something called 'commercial sellout'? Bjork's appearance > should be good for moving a few more thousand units to Bjork > trainspotters.

I doubt that there are enough obsessive Bjork 'spotters to have *that* much of an impact on sales. If there were, Current 93's "Island" CD would be a bestseller as well. And as I said, there was no mention of Bjork's involvement in the press material, and I don't think there's a bigass "contains Bjork!" sticker on the cover, although I haven't seen the commercial release yet so I can't be sure.

quoted 2 lines Plus, music with vocals usually sells better, at least,

> Plus, music with vocals usually sells better, at least, > that's all my wife or virtually any female I know will listen to.

WHOA!! Well, I guess it just wouldn't be IDM without the quarterly flame-fest about women and their musical tastes. Excuse me while I duck for cover... Greg

Che wrote:

quoted 7 lines On Fri, 31 Oct 1997, siliconvortex wrote:

> On Fri, 31 Oct 1997, siliconvortex wrote: > > > >eeewwww...why so many vocal parts on the plaid full-length? > > > > heard of something called 'artistic freedom'? > > heard of something called 'commercial sellout'?

heard of something called 'stupid cheap unfounded accusation' ? The Bjork threads and the CD Burning threads have been real eye-openers into the short-sightedness and egoistic attitude of some listmembers... Otto

the new plaid album is a stroke of genius. bjork & plaid have been friends for a while so i think it's cool for her to sing on the album. the only reason you know its bjork is because you read the liner notes. just listen. also ed;s girlfriend sang. is that okay with you? did you object to the calypso steel band also? reminds of when plaid played the new album live and everybody was complaining they couldn't dance to it or they wanted more 303 action. do people not realise that from their first album 6 years ago they have changed. the big question is whether or not naomi campbell will sing on goldie's next full length :) np - plaid live in stockholm 1995

quoted 18 lines eeewwww...why so many vocal parts on the plaid full-length?

>>eeewwww...why so many vocal parts on the plaid full-length? > >heard of something called 'artistic freedom'? > >>maybe next >>time ed and andy won't resort to using their famous friends voices. > >but hopefully they will. > >> i just don't understand, > >that's for sure. > >cheerio! > >np - the art of stalking - suburban knight > >

On Fri, 31 Oct 1997, deepart wrote:

quoted 3 lines the new plaid album is a stroke of genius. bjork & plaid have been friends

> the new plaid album is a stroke of genius. bjork & plaid have been friends > for a while so i think it's cool for her to sing on the album. the only > reason you know its bjork is because you read the liner notes. just listen.

I've got a sleeveless promo of the Plaid album that came with a very minimal press release that makes no mention of the vocalists, and I recognized the vocalist as Bjork right away. She's got a pretty distinctive voice. While I have no problem with her vocals (or any other vocals on the album), I'd have to argue it being a "stroke of genius". It's a good album, pleasant to listen to, but not nearly as breathtaking as everyone seemed to be expecting. But then again, I've never been a BDP/Plaid fanboy. Hell, I don't even own Bytes or Spanners! Greg np - Console "Panaorama" (Payola) - now you wanna talk genius, check out this label! If I find some time this weekend, I'll try to write up a review of their releases so far (6 12"s, 2 CDs, and a compilation CD that's not really on the label, but... well, you'll see...). I didn't think Dot would have any competition for my Label Of The Year, but now I'm not so sure...

yeah i got a promo also [different label artwork to the release version btw] . i didn't recognise bjork's voice but then again i've never really taken an interest in her sound. personally, as a bd & plaid fan, i rate the album - the tracks _myopia & headspin_ are my favourites. a stroke of genius in their unique continuing tradition, a eclectic cut well above others releasing abstract electronica from the uk. have a good week-end peace__ if anyone's interested - pierre's _fantasy club / fantasy girl_ sro records / chicago 1987 [burgundy label] offers over 150 ukp please

On Fri, 31 Oct 1997, deepart wrote:

quoted 1 line the tracks _myopia & headspin_ are my favourites.

> the tracks _myopia & headspin_ are my favourites.

Yes, I have to agree here. Especially "Headspin". It's a fucking excellent li'l number. Greg np - the sound of a 500+ page data report that I just submitted printing on the laser printer across the hall from me

quoted 5 lines eeewwww...why so many vocal parts on the plaid full-length? maybe next

> eeewwww...why so many vocal parts on the plaid full-length? maybe next > time ed and andy won't resort to using their famous friends voices. i > just don't understand, i was really enjoying the sounds on the album > until the voices kicked in. what do the rest of you who heard the album > think?

I'm quite chuffed with it.

quoted 2 lines am i alone thinking the vocals should've been left out?

> am i alone thinking the vocals should've been left out? > personally i can see past it,

really? It shouldn't bother you then. Buy a karaoke machine which masks out vocals from tracks if it really upsets you.

quoted 7 lines but i know i'd prefer the album sans

> but i know i'd prefer the album sans > bjork, nicollete and whoever else plays their bagpipes, err i believe > even andy sings a bit too. yikes, what's the world coming too? lately > i've been noticing a lot of vocal tracks being added to electronic > musicians work, who in the past mostly refrained from it, and while i > guess some people enjoy the use of singing over beats, i know i > definitely do not.

Well don't buy it then. Plaid make music for themselves, not fussy, narrow minded IDM Nazis. There's plenty of stuff without vocals on out there.

quoted 2 lines at the very least i wanna hear people do something

> at the very least i wanna hear people do something > different with the vocals

Are you suggesting the likes of Nicolette and Bjork are nothing special?

quoted 2 lines i'm still pro-instrumental, with the voice being

> i'm still pro-instrumental, with the voice being > left out.

Try taking your head out of your arse. Do guitars worry you too?

quoted 2 lines Well don't buy it then. Plaid make music for themselves, not fussy, narrow

> Well don't buy it then. Plaid make music for themselves, not fussy, narrow > minded IDM Nazis. There's plenty of stuff without vocals on out there.

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quoted 1 line Try taking your head out of your arse. Do guitars worry you too?

> Try taking your head out of your arse. Do guitars worry you too?

Why does not liking vocals and/or guitars make someone a "fussy, narrow minded IDM Nazi" with their head up their arse? For example, I've heard vocal and/or guitar-based music for 30 years now. I'll well sick of it. I don't feel like I'm a fussy narrow-minded IDM Nazi with my head up my arse, quite frankly. I like a lot of different styles of electronic-based music, from Techno to Trance to Drum n' Bass to Deep House to Goa to Trip-Hop to Downtempo to ... etc. Quite enough of a palette for me, thanks. Your condescention to the previous poster is unwarranted. - Greg (Who wonders why many of the IDM Brits tend to be such a contrary lot)

On Fri, 31 Oct 1997, Greg Earle wrote:

quoted 7 lines Try taking your head out of your arse. Do guitars worry you too?

> > Try taking your head out of your arse. Do guitars worry you too? > > Why does not liking vocals and/or guitars make someone a "fussy, narrow > minded IDM Nazi" with their head up their arse? > > For example, I've heard vocal and/or guitar-based music for 30 years now. > I'll well sick of it.

My feelings exactly! Che

with the female vocalists issue__ think carl craig [in ner zone orchestra], john beltran etc etc. female [& male] voices can form an incredibly moving & beautiful partnership with machine sounds [did i hear a female vocal on luke slater's recent lp?] if anyone believes they [plaid] are interested in selling a few thousand xtra copies by the inclusion of bjork's voice box __please think [& listen] again__ * if they [plaid] were compromising artistic integrity [or selling out] they would [which they will not] repress _mbuki mvuki_ on vinyl [only 500 were pressed in 1991] & cd [only vinyl originally] * one half of the plaid would not be about to move back in with his parents because he's skint they are not remotely interested in selling out. like somebody already mentioned, they write music purely for themselves & those around them; not ignorant fucks who *prefer* non-vocal electronica please, let's sew this thread up__ peace np__studio 1 [tan]

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quoted 1 line * if they [plaid] were compromising artistic integrity [or selling out]

> * if they [plaid] were compromising artistic integrity [or selling out]

they

quoted 2 lines would [which they will not] repress _mbuki mvuki_ on vinyl [only 500 were

> would [which they will not] repress _mbuki mvuki_ on vinyl [only 500 were > pressed in 1991] & cd [only vinyl originally]

This is something that I hate so much that I cannot even describe. But I'll try something out. I think that Plaid are really stupid for not rereleasing Mbuki Mvuki on CD and vynil. Also, it goes for AFX/Caustic Window, Philosophy of sound..., Cavity Job, . . . . . All of these are really bunch of ignorant fools. They have the money and people's requests for rereleasing and they still don't do it. Sorry, but I just don't understand this . . . For example we got records like Lego Feet, Bola 1, Freeform : Free ep, Mask twelves, . . bla . .blah . . . . . . And I understand why they are not rereleasing their stuff (yet). First of all because of the money which they haven't got enough, because of not so many requests and because of . . . But I know for sure, when they became bigger labels, they won't rerelease this records either. Imo, if I'd have a label I would rerelease all my early 12"-only-releases on CD and vynil later . But they won't do this, and I cannot understand it. So we have many people today who are buying records for 50-150$USD, but I won't do this anymore. This is not music listening and enjoying anymore, it's f**king collecting and it kills music and its purpose. I am uncureable collector myself, but I am trying to stop with that. So I say : F**k em , there is plenty of great music out there for 6 - 25USD ! sorry for being boring and annoying, respect Rob

for those in the area, Plaid play live @the Funnel Bar in Dublin this Friday (28th). doors at 9 p.m. ---------------------------------------- reply to: <soconm.ar4@compapp.dcu.ie> ----------------------------------------

quoted 6 lines I didn't hear Mvuki Bvuki or something like that, I don't know

>I didn't hear Mvuki Bvuki or something like that, I don't know >the exact name, but who gives a fuck about names anyway. >This release also features 2 tracks from Plaid 12" on Clear, >so it must be exellent, it's they debut. But it probably costs >over $1000 so.... >Is it released as 2x12" only or the CD exists, too ?

mvuki mbuki [BDPLP001] a mini-album [12" only] pressing of 500 copies in 1991. never to be repressed. it took claire @ clear records a lot of effort into persuading them to rerelease two of the tracks on their 12" for her label. as a policy they never rerelease/repress material. did you know? the snippet [from a documentary on breakdancing] @ the end of plaid's recent track _headspin_ was supplied by steve pickton [aka stasis] deepart__

Pacman wrote:

quoted 9 lines Does anyone know anything about a possible time frame for a US release of

> > Does anyone know anything about a possible time frame for a US release of > the new Plaid stuff? I'm going into NYC this weekend and don't want to waste > my money on imports if they're coming out soon anyways. > > Speaking of Plaid.. if anyone wants to trade a dub or even the real deal of > their earlier album(s?) send an email this way. > > noah

spoke to a publicist for trent reznor's nothing label, which recently inked an american dist deal with warp (squrpshr and autchr coming out stateside soon) who says at the moment there are no plans to bring out plaid here, tho he's hoping that will change. jeff

Does anyone know anything about a possible time frame for a US release of the new Plaid stuff? I'm going into NYC this weekend and don't want to waste my money on imports if they're coming out soon anyways. Speaking of Plaid.. if anyone wants to trade a dub or even the real deal of their earlier album(s?) send an email this way. noah

quoted 3 lines Pacman wrote:

>Pacman wrote: >> >> Does anyone know anything about a possible time frame for a US

release of

quoted 1 line the new Plaid stuff? I'm going into NYC this weekend and don't want

>> the new Plaid stuff? I'm going into NYC this weekend and don't want

to waste

quoted 3 lines my money on imports if they're coming out soon anyways.

>> my money on imports if they're coming out soon anyways. >> >> Speaking of Plaid.. if anyone wants to trade a dub or even the real

deal of

quoted 9 lines their earlier album(s?) send an email this way.

>> their earlier album(s?) send an email this way. >> >> noah > spoke to a publicist for trent reznor's nothing label, which recently >inked an american dist deal with warp (squrpshr and autchr coming out >stateside soon) who says at the moment there are no plans to bring out >plaid here, tho he's hoping that will change. >jeff >

yeah, i think in most cases, with stuff other than aphex twin or mu-ziq, who've been on US labels for a few years now, you can either buy it as an import now, or wait a year and a half or two years for it to come out domestically. who knows when squarepusher and autechre will be out on nothing. do nothing plan on releasing just the album, or will they be releasing EPs, such as big loada, cichlisuite, etc...? i don't think we'll ever get our act together here in the states. speaking of which, is the aphex video going to have a US release? is it already out? will i ever be able to see these videos besides watching mtv (which i never watch, or any tv for that matter)? thanks, alan! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, Chip . wrote:

quoted 4 lines domestically. who knows when squarepusher and autechre will be out on

> domestically. who knows when squarepusher and autechre will be out on > nothing. do nothing plan on releasing just the album, or will they be > releasing EPs, such as big loada, cichlisuite, etc...? i don't think > we'll ever get our act together here in the states.

While it often takes Nothing a long time to get stuff out over here (i.e. Plug), I will give them credit for the fact that they've been good about offering stuff like the Plug bonus disc or MBM's "Original Fire" which included some exclusive & rare stuff. Don't be surprised if both "Chiastic Slide" and "Hard Normal Daddy" come with bonus discs of related material ("Envane"+"C.Suite" with Ae, "Vic Acid"+"Big Loada" with 'pusher).

quoted 3 lines speaking of which, is the aphex video going to have a US release? is it

> speaking of which, is the aphex video going to have a US release? is it > already out? will i ever be able to see these videos besides watching > mtv (which i never watch, or any tv for that matter)?

North American release supposedly planned for early '98, although there's an NTSC version available from Warp. Personally, I'm waiting for the domestic to see if they add "Ventolin". Greg

Martin_Burbridge@3com.com wrote:

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is nothing positioning itself as a golden oldies label?

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hey, cut them some slack -- they just inked the deal with warp a coupla months ago, well _after_ the sqrpshr and autchr records had already come out. my guess is in the future there will be a lot less lag time between brit and US release. if not, _then_ start bitching. jeff

uh oh -

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From: Greg Clow <stained@interlog.com> <<<

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While it often takes Nothing a long time to get stuff out over here (i.e. Plug), I will give them credit for the fact that they've been good about offering stuff like the Plug bonus disc or MBM's "Original Fire" which included some exclusive & rare stuff. Don't be surprised if both "Chiastic Slide" and "Hard Normal Daddy" come with bonus discs of related material ("Envane"+"C.Suite" with Ae, "Vic Acid"+"Big Loada" with 'pusher). <<< these squarepusher/autechre trx aren't exactly rarities or hard to get, but if nothing do get their hands on something that falls into either category and forces me to consider buying a dbl cd fer a couple o' tracks that i don't already have (a la plug) almost 18 months later, i won't exactly be dancing for joy. maybe. bastards (in anticipation of just such a thing happening). ideally warp would go the ninja route, and just release everything in the us simultaneously and attractively priced, and just remove the dilemma. when ninja had the instinct arrangement y'had to around 6 months but then got some nifty cheap dbl cds like those earthrise comps and funki porcini's "hed pone sex", where i preferred the more up-tempo companion cd to the original disc (likewise plug actually). but at least w/ instinct you didn't get the empire collapsing pauses before they got around to putting the thing out. is nothing positioning itself as a golden oldies label? -btw- i know all about the exploding plastic inevitable/andy warhol/velvets thing, i just wasn't sure if holmes's label had exactly the same name, and not something like exploding plastic pineapple. sorry i started this one. -martin

I recently purchased the "it's all becoming..." comp on clear and really liked the remix of the plaid track. I was wondering if anyone could reccomend to me what other plaid to purchase.

quoted 3 lines I recently purchased the "it's all becoming..." comp on clear and really

>I recently purchased the "it's all becoming..." comp on clear and really >liked the remix of the plaid track. I was wondering if anyone could >reccomend to me what other plaid to purchase.

Yes, I just listened to that Plaid remix, and it's really brilliant. Check out also Plaid remix of Red Snapper (on Mooking EP on Warp, or on Mealtime comp. on planet mu), it's brilliant, too. I recommend Plaid 12" on Clear, Scoobs in Columbia 12" on GPR and Nine Open 12" on Pure Plastic. Also anything from Tura (aka Plaid) on A13 is great. I also recommend few of their collaborations, like Repeat : Repeats CD (collaboration with Mark Broom & Dave Hill) on A13 or Eco Tourist : Penguins / Magelonic 12" (collaboration with Peter Ford) on Ifach or Mind Over Rhythm meets the men from Plaid on planet luv CD (with A.C. Hill) on Rumble Records. The new EP and album on Warp are also good, but those above are better, imo. I didn't hear Mvuki Bvuki or something like that, I don't know the exact name, but who gives a fuck about names anyway. This release also features 2 tracks from Plaid 12" on Clear, so it must be exellent, it's they debut. But it probably costs over $1000 so.... Is it released as 2x12" only or the CD exists, too ? bye rob

robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr writes:

quoted 1 line Scoobs in Columbia 12"

>Scoobs in Columbia 12"

yeah, this one's real easy to find. </SARCASM> also reccommended: South Of Market 12" (Reflective REF011) features two tracks from the repeat boys (broom/turner/handly) and one from South Of Market (Jonah Sharp meets the plaid boys) Last time i checked it's still available (tho Reflective is no more, so grab it while you can) A1. Soon B1. Repeat: End UP B2: Repeat: Fish Stew

quoted 6 lines I didn't hear Mvuki Bvuki or something like that, I don't know

>I didn't hear Mvuki Bvuki or something like that, I don't know >the exact name, but who gives a fuck about names anyway. >This release also features 2 tracks from Plaid 12" on Clear, >so it must be exellent, it's they debut. But it probably costs >over $1000 so.... >Is it released as 2x12" only or the CD exists, too ?

if you can dig up Scoobs In Columbia you should be able to find this one. LP only, btw. multsanta/

Looking for a tracklisting for "RPC," I came across the news page at nineinchnails.net, and found this a bit humorous: A fairly new band recently signed to Trent Reznor's Nothing Records label originally on Warp Records, Plaid is known for their transcontinental beats, innovative combinations in experimental techno and otherworldly instrumentation. Is not making radio play on college radios, which took off on July 12th/13th... http://www.nineinchnails.net/news/ Apparently in the world out there there's a lot of hubbub about what the covers for "The Day the World Blah" and "The Fragile" look like. I'm holding my breath! --Geoff

Which track/s have been taken off Rest Proof as singles? I * np : Ralome

The person who reserved the Plaid - Android / Angry Dolphin (Clear) 12" from my sale at http://grantsmusic.webjump.com has backed out so its now back for sale !!!!!