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1997-08-03 01:03Re: (idm) the black dog (spanners)
└─ 1997-08-03 02:44Arjun Mendiratta Re: (idm) the black dog (spanners)
└─ 1997-08-03 16:40Ben Coffer Re: (idm) the black dog (spanners)
├─ 1997-08-04 22:47Black Dog Droid (idm) Talent (spanners)
│ ├─ 1997-08-05 02:33Guy Elden, Jr. Re: (idm) Talent (to these ears!)
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└─ 1997-08-05 03:42Arjun Mendiratta Re: (idm) the black dog (spanners)
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1997-08-03 01:03frankie@gargamel.comAt 16.02 97-08-02 -0400, suture@juno.com wrote: >i'd appreciate any comments on this cd...
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At 16.02 97-08-02 -0400, suture@juno.com wrote:
quoted 1 line i'd appreciate any comments on this cd...>i'd appreciate any comments on this cd...
Probably the greatest "techno" album ever released (of course not counting Kraftwerk...:) ...but why do you want to know? Listen, it won't be hard finding out. It's brilliant. Try "Music For Adverts" if you like it, I don't think "Bytes" is really as brilliant as everybody claims it to be. And he picked it all up... in his pickup. Fe. - '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' = ) - =-= = '''''''''' - - http://gargamel.com/plod -->-->--> -/ - - - ] '''''''' - - mailto:frankie@gargamel.com '''''' = -.. =-= = '''''''''' -
1997-08-03 02:44Arjun MendirattaOn Sun, 3 Aug 1997 frankie@gargamel.com wrote: > Probably the greatest "techno" album ever
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On Sun, 3 Aug 1997 frankie@gargamel.com wrote:
quoted 10 lines Probably the greatest "techno" album ever released> Probably the greatest "techno" album ever released > (of course not counting Kraftwerk...:) > > ...but why do you want to know? > > Listen, it won't be hard finding out. > It's brilliant. Try "Music For Adverts" if you like it, > I don't think "Bytes" is really as brilliant as > everybody claims it to be. >
I picked up Bytes after (the admittedly brilliant) Spanners and was initially disappointed as well. Bytes doesn't have nearly the rhythmic complexity, timbral variety, or compositional develpoment of Spanners. But, as a result of its relative simplicity, it has an emotional directness and much more of a persistent groove than Spanners does. Temple and Parallel are similiar. Adverts, on the other hand, is a tough nut to crack.... -arjun http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~arjun
1997-08-03 16:40Ben CofferIn message <Pine.HPP.3.95.970802194113.6628A-100000@sloth.ugcs.caltech.e du>, Arjun Mendir
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In message <Pine.HPP.3.95.970802194113.6628A-100000@sloth.ugcs.caltech.e du>, Arjun Mendiratta <arjun@frappe.ugcs.caltech.edu> writes
quoted 4 lines I picked up Bytes after (the admittedly brilliant) Spanners and was> >I picked up Bytes after (the admittedly brilliant) Spanners and was >initially disappointed as well. Bytes doesn't have nearly the rhythmic >complexity, timbral variety, or compositional develpoment of Spanners.
Uh? that's obvious isn't it? Bytes came *before* Spanners, an artist develops their talent thru time/experience not randomly. -- Ben Coffer Hybrid Productions http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/
1997-08-04 22:47Black Dog DroidHi Ben, > that's obvious isn't it? Bytes came *before* Spanners, > an artist develops thei
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Hi Ben,
quoted 3 lines that's obvious isn't it? Bytes came *before* Spanners,> that's obvious isn't it? Bytes came *before* Spanners, > an artist develops their talent thru time/experience not > randomly.
well that depends. some people "only have the one album in them", and when they try for a second, it sometimes sucks, all their good ideas came out on the first one. in that case, their first *would* be better than the second. kraftwerk. "ralf and florian" or "the mix" ?? :) grin, *nothing* is obvious.. -- + . /\___/\ . * | < The Black Dog > | + * . . * . . * (. .) + | | . * . * + ___ooO__\-/__Ooo___ | | + + + + . /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ | Dogma >> | http://www.feedback.com/tbd/ * 3-5-3 * (Dis)information > | tbd@feedback.com
1997-08-05 02:33Guy Elden, Jr.> well that depends. > some people "only have the one album in them", > and when they try
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quoted 6 lines well that depends.> well that depends. > some people "only have the one album in them", > and when they try for a second, it sometimes > sucks, all their good ideas came out on the > first one. in that case, their first *would* > be better than the second.
That sounds like a great discussion... My choices: Chemical Brothers, for one album. Popularized a great new sound, then destroyed it with a sub-par rehash. The Prodigy, for their first two albums... The first is just classic fire- it-up rave in yo face bizness that brings back lots of good memories, and their second album rocked the funky joint with what I considered to be a tremendous transition out of the cliche chimpmunk sound. Those beats were good and _loud_ too! But, this last effort sounds like sub-par Chemical Brothers to these ears. np: erasure. go vinnie go! -- guyjr@ns.gt.ed.net | I.D.M.- That stage in sleeping when your feet are a.k.a., Guy Elden, Jr. | moving faster than your eyes.
1997-08-05 16:52Ben CofferIn message <m0wvVuY-000UydC@sparta.dogsquad.com>, Black Dog Droid <zoot@sparta.dogsquad.co
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In message <m0wvVuY-000UydC@sparta.dogsquad.com>, Black Dog Droid <zoot@sparta.dogsquad.com> writes
quoted 4 lines kraftwerk.>kraftwerk. >"ralf and florian" or "the mix" ?? :) > >grin, *nothing* is obvious..
:) That made me laugh out loud.....yes, i guess you're right.... christ...The Mix, i've not listened to that in years but I remember thinking...."uhoh what's happened" when I first heard it :) - Ben -- Ben Coffer Hybrid Productions http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/
1997-08-05 03:42Arjun MendirattaI wrote: > >I picked up Bytes after (the admittedly brilliant) Spanners and was > >initial
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I wrote:
quoted 4 lines I picked up Bytes after (the admittedly brilliant) Spanners and was> >I picked up Bytes after (the admittedly brilliant) Spanners and was > >initially disappointed as well. Bytes doesn't have nearly the rhythmic > >complexity, timbral variety, or compositional develpoment of Spanners. >
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quoted 3 lines Uh? that's obvious isn't it? Bytes came *before* Spanners, an artist> Uh? that's obvious isn't it? Bytes came *before* Spanners, an artist > develops their talent thru time/experience not randomly. >
to which i say: Well of course, except that the jump from Bytes to Spanners seemed to be more of a quantum leap than an artistic progression. Bytes sounds to me like most good techno (for lack of a better word) but much better; i.e. it's simply a matter of finding the right loops to go with the right chord progressions to go with the right timbres, and put the changes in the right places. Much of Spanners, on the other hand, seems to have been made in a completely different manner. Most of the time, it doesn't follow the standard build-it-up, pile on the layers convention of techno. There is ebb and flow, development, and timbral variety within individual tracks. Every note, every choice is deliberate. Unlike Bytes or Parallel or Temple, Spanners could never really be the source of a remix album. Which is a good thing in my book. -arjun http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~arjun