IDM Mailing Archive

At 09:40 PM 6/7/97 -0400, Christopher Fahey wrote:

quoted 1 line If you heard a NEW t-Power track, or a new Dillinja track, or any of those

>If you heard a NEW t-Power track, or a new Dillinja track, or any of those

guys Simon Reynolds talks about, would you be able to identlify the artist without being told who it is? You made a mistake in lumping TPower in with the soundalike drum&bass crew, dude. TPower's SETOTIM album is pretty fucking unique. In fact, TPower does his own pisstake on the sameness of the scene in the Breakbeat Science II booklet - here's a quote: "Well, if you go and listen to a techstep set you're gonna hear what sounds like an hour of what sounds like the same record with a few high points and variations. It's the same as deep house, and how much of dance music has panned out. The DJ's won't play anything that clashes with their tunes, everything's got to mix-out, it's got to be DJ-friendly music." Maybe this is the real cause of the generic nature of jungle which Mr. Reynolds so admires, and has attributed to being the genuine and immediate expression of a way of life. In my mind it's due to the overall decline in DJ skills, and it's what has kept dance music down for too long.

quoted 1 line In fact, think about how many artists there are who you could identify at

>In fact, think about how many artists there are who you could identify at

all just by the way it sounds. The list would be tiny, and it would include Squarepusher. It would not include 99% of jungle artists. 99% of jungle artists are basically just one big musician with a single agenda: to create the perfect expression of the formulaic jungle/house track. These guys make good music, but not great music. TJ makes great music. I'm pretty fucking good at identifying music based on almost zero information. My favorite is the time I identified Renaldo & The Loaf on a weird college station after hearing only one of Renaldo's songs a few years earlier. It's a little more challenging with a lot of techno, and almost impossible with the jungle/drum&bass stuff, but not totally impossible if you have the ears. But then again, most people can't tell if it's John or Paul singing on a Beatles track... I agree though that Mr. Jenkinson's bass noodling is easier to identify than most. Chill Che

Che wrote:

quoted 10 lines "Well, if you go and listen to a techstep set you're gonna hear what sounds

> "Well, if you go and listen to a techstep set you're gonna hear what sounds > like an hour of what sounds like the same record with a few high points and > variations. It's the same as deep house, and how much of dance music has > panned out. The DJ's won't play anything that clashes with their > tunes, everything's got to mix-out, it's got to be DJ-friendly music." > > Maybe this is the real cause of the generic nature of jungle which Mr. > Reynolds so admires, and has attributed to being the genuine and immediate > expression of a way of life. In my mind it's due to the overall decline in > DJ skills, and it's what has kept dance music down for too long.

I can't really relate to this "blending" style of playing music. I don't see anything wrong with spinning two totally different styles of tunes back to back, even not beat matched, as long as the transition is handled properly. In fact, it's boring to hear a bunch of similar-sounding tunes all mixed together; I'd rather have some variety in the selection. GD

At 09.34 AM 9.6.97 -0500, Mark Bowen wrote:

quoted 5 lines I don't know what kind of dance events you go to/spin at, but where I'm

> I don't know what kind of dance events you go to/spin at, but where I'm >from if there's a non-beatmatched mix and the tunes are real loud it sounds >like a trainwreck and people leave the floor. > Mixing tunes which sound simialar goes toward creating a vibe, that >sense of continuity that causes the dancers on the floor to lose their

sense of

quoted 3 lines time and dance until they are exhausted. If there are noticeable breaks and

>time and dance until they are exhausted. If there are noticeable breaks and >transitions, people *will* sit down at those times. Unless its a listening/ >head-nodding type of event, this is not what djs want to see.

hmm...new topic: experimental djing. invisibl skratch picklz vs the likes of rdj and alec empire. would you rather hear a ltj bukem seamless (imho, bland) mix or somebody who's got the cojones to spin one of those fucked-up boyd rice/non locked-groove triple center-hole punched varispeeded 12"s? my thoughts: depends on location. in a club, i prefer to beatmatched, moodmatched mixes. but if it's djing to listen to (like i've done), it's good at home. then again, maybe i'm just biased. :) * * + * * \|/ * *----]euroboy[----]micah.stupak[----]mjsst87+@pitt.edu[------e-+ * >>bitwise.operators /|\ * * * + ideology is theft.

I agree completely with this. Why does everyone dis amp for not doing a slick beat-matching mix? If they did that they would only play one style of music. And probably only really bad videos too. I think some artists purposefully try to make music that fits into a mix with other formulaic tunes just so it won't be hard for the average DJ to make a transition into their song. If your song is atypical (like laika using 7/8 time signatures) you might not even get into a mix. Hell, I think Drum and Bass is just Drums and Basses because if they had melodies they would be hard to mix (matching pitch and key from song to song is easier when there is almost no tonality to the song, just boom chit ba-boom chititititcckckboom.) -Chris Fahey -----Original Message----- From: GD [SMTP:g-d@worldnet.att.net] I can't really relate to this "blending" style of playing music. I don't see anything wrong with spinning two totally different styles of tunes back to back, even not beat matched, as long as the transition is handled properly. In fact, it's boring to hear a bunch of similar-sounding tunes all mixed together; I'd rather have some variety in the selection. GD

On Monday, 09-Jun-97, Christopher Fahey wrote [about RE: (idm) SP vs D&B (was anti-idm)]:

quoted 3 lines I agree completely with this. Why does everyone dis amp for not doing a slick

>I agree completely with this. Why does everyone dis amp for not doing a slick >beat-matching mix? If they did that they would only play one style of music. >And probably only really bad videos too.

Who said you can't do it? I certainly have. True, some things aren't meant to go together, but you CAN mix two different styles of music, without crashing a few trains. Anyhow they can also have some kind of thing between the videos, not exactly silent time, but maybe some sounds of some sort. I don't think that they should be mixing the music/videos on Amp period.. for the most part it screws up parts of both videos, you may miss some parts, and for the ppl trying to tape their favorite vids it would be a piss off. I reckon maybe they shouldn't mix the vids at all. .auddplte <-- cylob's latest effort __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ , m7=

Written by GD <g-d@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: (idm) SP vs D&B (was anti-idm)

quoted 6 lines I can't really relate to this "blending" style of playing music. I

>I can't really relate to this "blending" style of playing music. I >don't see anything wrong with spinning two totally different styles of >tunes back to back, even not beat matched, as long as the transition is >handled properly. In fact, it's boring to hear a bunch of >similar-sounding tunes all mixed together; I'd rather have some variety >in the selection.

never a truer word said!, the art of programming is oft ignored for the cold mechanics of beat-matching check out dub sound system masters like jah shaka, he plays with one mouldy old turtable or guys like japanese noise terrorists ground zero, i've got a cd the main man from ground zero recorded with some dj's from france and it is crazed, makes dj spooky look like {insert crap house dj name at will} down with the beat matchers , long live the turntable anarchists! stuart @ 4thworld -- http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/4thworld/ check the 'propoganda' page - interviews + features on black dog/ as one/ musik aus strom / jimpster / compost / irdial + more

quoted 6 lines old turtable or guys like japanese noise terrorists ground zero, i've

> old turtable or guys like japanese noise terrorists ground zero, i've > got > a cd the main man from ground zero recorded with some dj's from france > and > it is crazed, makes dj spooky look like {insert crap house dj name at > will}

Do you happen to remember the exact artist name and title for this Otomo Yoshihide CD? It sounds like the kind of stuff I've been looking for... Out 2 Lunch With Lunchmeat, Paul wesley@interaccess.com