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quoted 3 lines Is there anyone on here, who's willing to admit they like Goa and who has

>Is there anyone on here, who's willing to admit they like Goa and who has >some resources, like labels (for direct contact) or suggested artists and >titles?

Well, first let me ask you (or any others) to define the Goa Trance genre. I am having a difficult time keeping track of the distinct elements of trance, etc. With the limited amount of Goa resources available right now (I guess it's because it is a realtively new genre), I haven't been able to find much Goa, however the two stores I shop at in Boston have Goa, Trance and Progressive Trance all kind of bunched together so I have seen Goa and even Psychadelic Trance. Anyway, some of the labels I've picked up on are Dragonfly, Matsuri, Transient, Perfecto (Flouro) and even Blue Room all have some Goa-esque artists. Some artists that come to my mind recently are Man With No Name, Prana, and Cosmosis. Again, I hardly know whether some of these are pure Trance or Goa Trance, I can usually recognize Trance artists easily, but I'm stumped on Goa. If you haven't already, check out the Resonance Records home page music catalog at http://www.netcreations.com/resonance/. They list their available albums there with great track descriptions. I've noticed a lot of Goa references in the Trance artists album descriptions. Well, that's it for now. dc .:: David A. Caruso :: caruso@tiac.net :: caruso@wit.edu ::.

I have taken an interest in Goa Trance, and am somewhat dismayed that stores where I am (Detroit of all places) have to clue what the hell I'm talking about. They don't know any of the labels, artists, or nuthin'. Come to think of it, the IDM'ers don't talk about it much either. Why? Is there anyone on here, who's willing to admit they like Goa and who has some resources, like labels (for direct contact) or suggested artists and titles? I'm dyin' here. Thanx. HB

On Sun, 21 Jul 1996, Henry Birdseye wrote:

quoted 4 lines I have taken an interest in Goa Trance, and am somewhat dismayed that

> I have taken an interest in Goa Trance, and am somewhat dismayed that > stores where I am (Detroit of all places) have to clue what the hell I'm > talking about. They don't know any of the labels, artists, or nuthin'. > Come to think of it, the IDM'ers don't talk about it much either. Why?

Alright, let me see here -- you live in Detroit, or thereabouts, and you're into Goa. Could I trade you places, because you live exactly where the music I'm into is from. My advice to you - go to Record Time, buy out the Axis/Direct Beat/Transmat/Planet E sections and if you don't like em, send em out to me. I'll throw in some Goa mix tapes for trade, and I'll include a pair of swim trunks and some sun block to boot!!! Seriously though, I think Goa is just a load of bollocks, actually. Not really the music, but the term "Goa Trance". It just seems to be a load of shite, especially since it has become a sort of new wave hippie music. I heard in Goa they don't even spin Live, the DJ's just play DAT's because the vinyl would melt from the heat. Take a vacation and chill out somewhere else; "Never trust a Hippie." if anyone here doesn't like "Altered States", they should be shot. Ron Trent is the bomb!!!!!

On Sun, 21 Jul 1996, James B Gill wrote: (Henry Birdseye wrote:

quoted 4 lines I have taken an interest in Goa Trance, and am somewhat dismayed that

> > > I have taken an interest in Goa Trance, and am somewhat dismayed that > > stores where I am (Detroit of all places) have to clue what the hell I'm > > talking about.)

quoted 4 lines My advice to you - go to Record Time, buy out

> My advice to you - go to Record Time, buy out > the Axis/Direct Beat/Transmat/Planet E sections and if you don't like em, > send em out to me. I'll throw in some Goa mix tapes for trade, and I'll > include a pair of swim trunks and some sun block to boot!!!

When I returned from a really short trip to LA, and heard some CDs in Beat Non-Stop, I called Record Time and asked some guy in the "dance room" about some of this stuff. I got a rude kind of "we don't have it, and it's not probably not worth looking for anyway" kind of answer. I have bought some stuff in there, but I haven't really fallen in love with Detroit style techno... it's too bleepy and minimal for my taste. Goa seems to have more layers with lines changing priorities and it stays interesting. I have been into electronic music since I bought Switched-On Bach, The Wozard of Iz, and a pantload of vinyls in the late 60's. I bought a 2600 in 1973 and when I discovered drugs, I began to relate to all EM in terms of how much I'd like it if I were really buzzed. I don't get buzzed on the heavy stuff anymore, but a good tune can mess with my head in the good way. Obviously, the problem we all have is not getting burned. When vinyls were $3.99 it was no big deal to pick a handful, and if one sucked, it wasn't a major deal. "You can't judge by the cover" is very true. Radio stations don't play techno much here, so I fly blind, or go by word of mouth. The IDM is a big help, but I still plop down $18+ for some real sucky shit, and I'm tired of that. I know the vibe will end sometime, but for now, Goa trance is a music label that has all the attributes I like in EM: no vocals (samples are okay), multi-layered sound, snappy and interesting music lines.

quoted 3 lines Seriously though, I think Goa is just a load of bollocks, actually. Not

> Seriously though, I think Goa is just a load of bollocks, actually. Not > really the music, but the term "Goa Trance". It just seems to be a load > of shite, especially since it has become a sort of new wave hippie music.

The term is only that. I have heard and bought a lot of "trance" and often it has turned out to be quite ambient like, or too "Detroity" or ultimately just not "doing it" for me. The addition of the word "goa" does act as a signal that my chances of finding a majority of songs I'll like is higher than I might otherwise expect. --Henry B.

quoted 1 line On Sun, 21 Jul 1996, Henry Birdseye wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Jul 1996, Henry Birdseye wrote:

quoted 6 lines It just seems to be a load

> It just seems to be a load > of shite, especially since it has become a sort of new wave hippie music. > I heard in Goa they don't even spin Live, the DJ's just play DAT's because > the vinyl would melt from the heat. Take a vacation and chill out > somewhere else > "Never trust a Hippie."

Oh no not again. Some elitist music bigot. Run for the hills. You're probably referring to the new age travellers that are central to the Goa wave that has hit the U.K. Sorry for forgetting that people with Dreadlocks must have shite taste in music. I'm gonna call the fashion police right away. What you heard about the DAT's was that they Mix off DAT. They can't do much in the way of pitch adjustment, so beatmixing is not very central to a Goa set, the mixes come with those completely ludicrously insane spacey bits. Complete possession is proved only by giving. All you are unable to give possesses you. -Andre Gide

James B Gill said once upon a time:

quoted 2 lines I heard in Goa they don't even spin Live, the DJ's just play DAT's because

>I heard in Goa they don't even spin Live, the DJ's just play DAT's because >the vinyl would melt from the heat.

Hmmm, although I'm not sure exactly what it means to "play records live," the idea that vinyl will melt from the heat is complete bologna. I've played vinyl in the hot desert sun with no problems, but I must admit that there was a shade tent and the record wasn't on for more than few minutes. I think that most parties happen at night in Goa as well as the rest of the world. What I've heard about the Goa parties is that the DJs are extremely competitive to get the "gnuest warez", so they'll play DATs because it takes too long to get to any other media. Whether they mix the tapes or sit on their ass is another story, but what do we care anyway? I live in Utah, not Goa. The stuff that passes for "music" in the clubs here is what pisses me off more.

On Mon, 22 Jul 1996, Pete Ashdown wrote:

quoted 1 line Hmmm, although I'm not sure exactly what it means to "play records live," t

> Hmmm, although I'm not sure exactly what it means to "play records live," the

sorry for the confusion. It means to put the needle on the rekkid, Spin, dj, etc. this was a pointless explanation. Oh well, if it was necessary i guess it wasn't a total waste.

quoted 4 lines idea that vinyl will melt from the heat is complete bologna. I've played

> idea that vinyl will melt from the heat is complete bologna. I've played > vinyl in the hot desert sun with no problems, but I must admit that there was > a shade tent and the record wasn't on for more than few minutes. I think that > most parties happen at night in Goa as well as the rest of the world.

Yeah, sorry about the blatant obliqueness of my post -- apparantly you misunderstood me a LOT. I didn't mean MELT, instead insert the word WARP and then you get the message.

quoted 2 lines but what do we care anyway? I live in Utah, not

> but what do we care anyway? I live in Utah, not > Goa.

Yeah. That was a keen observation. So far the most interesting one was a blagger calling me a "Music industry fashion victim" or some such thing. Although this made me laugh more (your comment)!!! later if anyone here doesn't like "Altered States", they should be shot. Ron Trent is the bomb!!!!!

quoted 8 lines I've played vinyl in the hot desert sun with no problems, but I must

>> I've played vinyl in the hot desert sun with no problems, but I must >> admit that there was a shade tent and the record wasn't on for more >> than few minutes. I think that most parties happen at night in Goa as >> well as the rest of the world. > > Yeah, sorry about the blatant obliqueness of my post -- apparantly you > misunderstood me a LOT. I didn't mean MELT, instead insert the word > WARP and then you get the message.

It's still manure; any temperature hot enough to warp vinyl on the deck would kill the DJ from heatstroke first... -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo)

quoted 12 lines I've played vinyl in the hot desert sun with no problems, but I must

> > >> I've played vinyl in the hot desert sun with no problems, but I must > >> admit that there was a shade tent and the record wasn't on for more > >> than few minutes. I think that most parties happen at night in Goa as > >> well as the rest of the world. > > > > Yeah, sorry about the blatant obliqueness of my post -- apparantly you > > misunderstood me a LOT. I didn't mean MELT, instead insert the word > > WARP and then you get the message. > > It's still manure; any temperature hot enough to warp vinyl on the deck would > kill the DJ from heatstroke first...

That's as maybe, but its still a fact that Goa DJs play DATs and the reason I've heard many times is that the sand and the heat fucks the vinyl. Cheers Andrew C.

with all those goa dwellers playing DAT cassettes of hard trance, oh excuse me, goa trance.... well, how good is their mixing ability. I mean honestly, there isnt really a need for scratching or tricks really with the goa stuff, but beat and tone matching might be at least nice... those choons are normally like over 6 minutes in time length of harmonic trancey-ness. what do they do, just let the track play out or maybe a "radio" segue (aka "ambient mix".. such a negitive term)?????????? who's been there, who seen and heard all that? dont tell me goa gill. I would hop that cat isnt the end all of goa trance mixing... Daniel Smith robi@tiger.coe.missouri.edu http://tiger.coe.missouri.edu/~robi

quoted 3 lines who's been there, who seen and heard all that?

> who's been there, who seen and heard all that? > dont tell me goa gill. I would hop that cat isnt the end all of goa > trance mixing...

Goa Gill is the Bomb!!!! ha ha he's also my grandfather. ha ha again

quoted 21 lines I've played vinyl in the hot desert sun with no problems, but I must

> > > > > > >> I've played vinyl in the hot desert sun with no problems, but I must > > >> admit that there was a shade tent and the record wasn't on for more > > >> than few minutes. I think that most parties happen at night in Goa as > > >> well as the rest of the world. > > > > > > Yeah, sorry about the blatant obliqueness of my post -- apparantly you > > > misunderstood me a LOT. I didn't mean MELT, instead insert the word > > > WARP and then you get the message. > > > > It's still manure; any temperature hot enough to warp vinyl on the deck would > > kill the DJ from heatstroke first... > > That's as maybe, but its still a fact that Goa DJs play DATs and the reason > I've heard many times is that the sand and the heat fucks the vinyl. > > Cheers > Andrew C. >

hey - i was at a party here in richmond that was outside and witnessed a record warping on a table while a dj was spinning - no one got heatstroke either - it really pissed off the dj tho - i can understand why - - BUT - it really can happen - Especially w/ those super crummy thin records that are out... BRING BACK THICK VINYL DJ Ebben Flow Richmond VA.

On Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:32:48 +0100 Andrew Cowper wrote:

quoted 2 lines That's as maybe, but its still a fact that Goa DJs play DATs and the reason

> That's as maybe, but its still a fact that Goa DJs play DATs and the reason > I've heard many times is that the sand and the heat fucks the vinyl.

That may be a small reason (ie, you never want to leave the records outside in the sun) but the main reason Goa Gil says he djs from dat is so that he can _carry_ more music with him. This ain't some hop on a plane and take a taxi or get a ride from the promoter gig...You've got to _lug_ things places in India and you go for extended trips where you will be djing a lot to the same people. To keep the sets fresh, you are going to have to lug a LOT of vinyl with you or just a small case of 4hr dats with all of your choicest cuts on them... Not meant to belittle your theory but just to point out that there are other reasons to use dat at times. Sure, some of the finer points of djing go out the window, but, we're talking about goa trance aren't we? And when you can bank on your audience being 1) stoned, 2) frying or 3) so damn happy to be on vacation in a beautiful location far away from daddy but not too far from his Amex card, then your mixing probably doesn't have to be stellar to keep the place groovin'... :-) -- David "plus who can tell when one goa song ends and another begins?" Jones

quoted 6 lines On Saturday, 17-May-97, Orbital wrote [about (idm) Goa Trance?]:

>On Saturday, 17-May-97, Orbital wrote [about (idm) Goa Trance?]: >> Picked up Trance Psyberdelic today. First time I've picked up any Goa >>stuff, though I've heard quite a few MP3's of it. So far the first few >>tracks are pretty good, can anyone recommend some other discs that are good? > >Check out Ethnica - Alien Protein on Blue Room Records (I think?)

I have found quite a bit of MP3's by Hallucinogen, and I really like their music. I know they are on a compilation called Destination Goa The Second Chapter. But does anyone know if theya have their own CD out? They are not the most unique group out there but they are really good at trancy slightly acidy type stuff. ....__The Kemical Kidd__..... . ...._kemkidd@clearink.com_... . http://www.geocities.com/Area51/9696/

On Tuesday, 20-May-97, Filip Jach wrote [about Re: (idm) Goa Trance]:

quoted 5 lines I have found quite a bit of MP3's by Hallucinogen, and I really like their

>I have found quite a bit of MP3's by Hallucinogen, and I really like their >music. I know they are on a compilation called Destination Goa The Second >Chapter. But does anyone know if theya have their own CD out? They are >not the most unique group out there but they are really good at trancy >slightly acidy type stuff.

hallucinogen: twisted and there's a one he just came out with, don't remember the name offhand.. he's also on the phospherescent comp. on tip.. __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ , m7=

philip filtah wrote:

quoted 4 lines ummm. I have the CD. and i dont get a single sexual idea out of it.

> > ummm. I have the CD. and i dont get a single sexual idea out of it. > maybe your pecreption is getting you hot and bothered? >

and suzi wrote:

quoted 1 line spoken like a typical man. us girls anitcipate that kind of attitude.

> > spoken like a typical man. us girls anitcipate that kind of attitude.

quoted 3 lines maybe your putty pecker's connection to your cerrebellum has

>maybe your putty pecker's connection to your cerrebellum has >withered >away you sexist insensitive bastard.

i read the idm digest from my bf's email all the time and honestly, my response to your first post was also that you contradicted yourself in being offended in being considered as an "object" but at the same time treating others as objects. you go on to say how "sexist" the list was to you when at the same time, you use sexist remarks such as "typical male" and poking immature retorts about genitilia which has nothing to do with the discussion. actually, my bf told me not to respond to this thread because you're just a -- no offense intended -- "troll" to the list. a "troll" is like a person who just shows up on the list not knowing what it is about and the rhetoric that is being used and after a few flames will just unsubscribe and that's that's it. the idm list is predominantly male and it's nice to hear female voices out there so i hope you don't unsubscribe. but name calling and insults without giving any info to support your claims are definitely not idm related (m or f). also, keep in mind that to raise one group (women), you do not have to demean another group (men) to do so. as a woman, you know how bad it feels to be stereotyped and judged on your sex rather than your ability, so why must you do it to anyone else? peace, lucy tohao nguyen p.s. what's so great about polygon window's popcorn? it sounds just like the original popcorn song through some filters. the song is great but there was no real innovation by rdj here.

Mikhail Gubarev wrote: name calling and insults

quoted 5 lines without giving any info to support your claims are definitely not idm

> without giving any info to support your claims are definitely not idm > related (m or f). also, keep in mind that to raise one group (women), > you do not have to demean another group (men) to do so. as a woman, you > know how bad it feels to be stereotyped and judged on your sex rather > than your ability, so why must you do it to anyone else?

apologies, my post was immature. this phil philta guy however was sending me very rude mails privately. i was very disturbed that men can be like this, i am just ignoring him. i am collected and composed now. thanks for the head check though. suzi np ---> M7

In message <340CAFDC.38A3@geocities.com>, suzi <suziringmod@geocities.com> writes

quoted 2 lines Mikhail Gubarev wrote:

>Mikhail Gubarev wrote: >apologies, my post was immature. this phil philta guy however was

Can I just say that, a few days back suzi posted a letter to the group supposedly from someone who wanted to remain anonymous....well the author of the anonymous post (who i happen to know) has asked me to try and clear her name coz she wanted no part of this thread and the letter was *not* supposed to be posted to the list at all, it was a private letter to suzi only. Anyway, hope that's cleared that up. I'm not going to say who the author was, this is just for those who probably guessed her identity, but she's unsubscribed now anyway from IDM, possibly to return much later when things have calmed down a bit. -- Ben Coffer Hybrid Productions http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/

quoted 15 lines name calling and insults

> name calling and insults > > without giving any info to support your claims are definitely not > idm > > related (m or f). also, keep in mind that to raise one group > (women), > > you do not have to demean another group (men) to do so. as a woman, > you > > know how bad it feels to be stereotyped and judged on your sex > rather > > than your ability, so why must you do it to anyone else? > > apologies, my post was immature. this phil philta guy however was > sending me very rude mails privately. > i was very disturbed that men can be like this, > i am just ignoring him.

lets all just ignore him!! we should concentrate our energy onto the idiots, they can be male, female, white, black, asian, gay, straight, fat, thin..... or just into goa trance. Hey everyone im listening to the Invisibl scratch picklz vs duh klamz uv deth right now...for like the 400th time in the past fortnight.. i seriously suggest you all check this out!! and also the Ryogi Ikeda album +/- on Touch, not exaclty the same vein of music! but just as good :) Steve /k/./F/

In message <340CB6C4.BCD25DDC@virgin.net>, "...." <kung.funk@virgin.net> writes

quoted 5 lines lets all just ignore him!! we should concentrate our energy onto the

>lets all just ignore him!! we should concentrate our energy onto the >idiots, >they can be male, female, white, black, asian, gay, straight, fat, >thin..... >or just into goa trance.

Hold it right there! freeze! I still don't understand why some people have a problem with Goa Trance? I can dance all night to it when it's played properly at somewhere like Return to the Source... -- Ben Coffer Hybrid Productions http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/

As far as goa trance goes, can people recommend some good artists or comps? People who rule out music because of how someone else has labeled it are just limiting their chances of getting good music, not improving them. thx in advance On Wed, 3 September 1997, at 21:05:38, Ben Coffer wrote:

quoted 4 lines Hold it right there! freeze!

> Hold it right there! freeze! > I still don't understand why some people have a problem with Goa > Trance? I can dance all night to it when it's played properly at > somewhere like Return to the Source...

Brett McCormick wrote:

quoted 6 lines As far as goa trance goes, can people recommend some good artists or

> As far as goa trance goes, can people recommend some good artists or > comps? > > People who rule out music because of how someone else has labeled it > are just limiting their chances of getting good music, not improving > them.

what i cant handle is all the fake mysticism bullshit that seems to along with it.... its not music its wallpaper... if you want to trance then listen to Terry Riley or Steve Reich... not crustys with 303's who have taken too many pills. Steve /k/./F/

quoted 1 line "Steve" == <kung.funk@virgin.net> writes:

>>>>> "Steve" == <kung.funk@virgin.net> writes:

Steve> what i cant handle is all the fake mysticism bullshit that Steve> seems to along with it.... its not music its Steve> wallpaper... if you want to trance then listen to Terry Steve> Riley or Steve Reich... not crustys with 303's who have Steve> taken too many pills. This is a classical case of not being able to see this wood for the trees. The 'mystical bullshit' behind Goa Trance is a modern manifestation of one of the oldest and grandest philosophical traditions in the world. Granted the average Goahead at return to the source knows very little about Buddhism, but by you labeling it as mystical bullshit you are, in my view, worse than them. A bandwagon makes a beliefe system no less valid. -hjw The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust

quoted 20 lines "Steve" == <kung.funk@virgin.net> writes:

>>>>>> "Steve" == <kung.funk@virgin.net> writes: > > Steve> what i cant handle is all the fake mysticism bullshit that > Steve> seems to along with it.... its not music its > Steve> wallpaper... if you want to trance then listen to Terry > Steve> Riley or Steve Reich... not crustys with 303's who have > Steve> taken too many pills. > >This is a classical case of not being able to see this wood for the >trees. The 'mystical bullshit' behind Goa Trance is a modern >manifestation of one of the oldest and grandest philosophical >traditions in the world. Granted the average Goahead at return to the >source knows very little about Buddhism, but by you labeling it as >mystical bullshit you are, in my view, worse than them. > >A bandwagon makes a beliefe system no less valid. > >-hjw >The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new >landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust

i would have to argue that the "grandest philosophical tradition" of which you speak is capitalism _not_ buddhism painted cakes do not satisfy... j

On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Hary Walsh wrote:

quoted 4 lines This is a classical case of not being able to see this wood for the

> This is a classical case of not being able to see this wood for the > trees. The 'mystical bullshit' behind Goa Trance is a modern > manifestation of one of the oldest and grandest philosophical > traditions in the world...

OK, on the one side, Talvin Singh. On the other, H.H. Dalai Lama. ????!!!!!????? Sorry, your point could lead in a very very silly direction if you're not careful. IMHO there's practically nothing in common between getting stoned at a goa club and even a half-assed Buddhist practice--hence I don't see how goa is a "modern manifestation" of it-- J ________ \ / | "Who's Martha Stewart?" H. James Harkins | "She writes picture books about gracious living." jharkins@acpub.duke.edu | \/ | - from _Jeffrey_ "If we keep our attention focused on the present, we can be sure of one thing, namely that whatever we are attending to in this moment will change..." -- Jon Kabat-Zinn

quoted 1 line "H" == H James Harkins <jharkins@acpub.duke.edu> writes:

>>>>> "H" == H James Harkins <jharkins@acpub.duke.edu> writes:

H> On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Hary Walsh wrote: H> a half-assed Buddhist practice--hence I don't see how goa is a H> "modern manifestation" of it-- J My point is that even though 99% of goaheads are full of shit, it's not entirely fair to knock the whole style. Drum and Bass tends to get a bit of a bashing nowadays, since it's become *very* popular. I accept that today most Goa Trance today is shite ( the Danny Rampling/ Paul Oakenfold/ Man with No Name variety ), but behind this London Record label scene there was the original Goa scene, and it's unfair to knock that out of misunderstanding. And anyway, everything is a manifestation of the essential truths of Buddhism :) And finally, who really cares anyway? -hjw FRUST (frust) n. The small line of debris that refuses to be swept onto the dust pan and keeps backing a person across the room until he finally decides to give up and sweep it under the rug.

To me this THE most essential GOA track: Man With No Name with "Floor Essence" in the devastating "Black Light Mix". Released on UK Perfecto Fluoro about 2 years ago. W -----Original Message----- From: .... <kung.funk@virgin.net> To: idm@hyperreal.org <idm@hyperreal.org> Date: donderdag 4 september 1997 1:41 Subject: (idm) goa trance

quoted 19 lines Brett McCormick wrote:

>Brett McCormick wrote: > >> As far as goa trance goes, can people recommend some good artists or >> comps? >> >> People who rule out music because of how someone else has labeled it >> are just limiting their chances of getting good music, not improving >> them. > >what i cant handle is all the fake mysticism bullshit that seems to >along with it.... >its not music its wallpaper... if you want to trance then listen to >Terry Riley >or Steve Reich... not crustys with 303's who have taken too many pills. > >Steve > >/k/./F/ >

At 10:02 04/09/97 BST, you wrote:

quoted 4 lines This is a classical case of not being able to see this wood for the

>This is a classical case of not being able to see this wood for the >trees. The 'mystical bullshit' behind Goa Trance is a modern >manifestation of one of the oldest and grandest philosophical >traditions in the world.

well ok, but it doesn't stop the music being shit now, does it? and i admit that i haven't heard every goa trance record but i've heard quite a few and the whole scene strikes me as being completely derivative, locked in its own vicious circle of bullshit and middle class snobbery... if i want something spiritual i can choose something by black dog, aphex twin or ken ishii, all of whom reveal goa trance to be 1 dimensional rubbish made by boys in studios paid for by mummy. cheerio! np - int(rnd) - silicon vortex \/\/\/\/\/+++++''''|||| YOUR'E GRANNY WOULN'DT LIKE IT salford sounds, the phriendly fonographic phun-loving label for the noughties.. http://www.sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk/migration.ram ----- --------

grouch said once upon a time:

quoted 4 lines well ok, but it doesn't stop the music being shit now, does it? and i

>well ok, but it doesn't stop the music being shit now, does it? and i >admit that i haven't heard every goa trance record but i've heard quite a >few and the whole scene strikes me as being completely derivative, locked >in its own vicious circle of bullshit and middle class snobbery...

Funny, that's how I'd peg jungle.

On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Pete Ashdown wrote:

quoted 1 line Funny, that's how I'd peg jungle.

> Funny, that's how I'd peg jungle.

But not 'drum and bass' right? ;) Anyhow, I'm a big fan of Appaloosa's take on d&b which seems to include using a bassload of analogues. I have their "Nautilus" release and an odd 12" w/dj dream on LGR, and then something on the Pepper label as "Sheilds" (which is an outstanding 12" oweing more to the likes of kenny larkin than kenny ken). What else is out there by Appaloosa? Websites? Interviews? Discogs? The breaks site&list offered little to no info. The skinny will be appreciated most fatly. Teep PS: like how I railroaded that subject ;) Now Playing: Random Junk - most illingest burned cd THANKS JSD!!!

At 12:45 04/09/97 -0600, Pete Ashdown wrote:

quoted 9 lines grouch said once upon a time:

>grouch said once upon a time: > >>well ok, but it doesn't stop the music being shit now, does it? and i >>admit that i haven't heard every goa trance record but i've heard quite a >>few and the whole scene strikes me as being completely derivative, locked >>in its own vicious circle of bullshit and middle class snobbery... > >Funny, that's how I'd peg jungle. >

I don't think I'll even try to start arguing that one. Oh all right :) each unto his own, but there is no comparison between the whirlwind of activity and progression in the ever-changing drum-n-bass scene, and the incredibly dull, innovation-lacking, 303-twiddling nonsense that goa trance has become. J ^ np: New School Science (may the funk be with you) Steady J aka James Skilton steady-j@geocities.com Autechre & SKAM discogs @ http://subnet.virtual-pc.com/~sk393820

how can you say "each unto his own" and then bash goa? that statement implies a level of respect for other people's choices in music...... and i'd like to add that respect of music does not mean you like it, but understand it for what it is, and can appreciate the appeal it has to other people..... aaron............. At 4:26 PM -0800 9/4/97, James Skilton wrote:

quoted 15 lines I don't think I'll even try to start arguing that one. Oh all right :)

> >I don't think I'll even try to start arguing that one. Oh all right :) > >each unto his own, but there is no comparison between the whirlwind of >activity and progression in the ever-changing drum-n-bass scene, and the >incredibly dull, innovation-lacking, 303-twiddling nonsense that goa trance >has become. > >J >^ > >np: New School Science (may the funk be with you) > >Steady J aka James Skilton steady-j@geocities.com >Autechre & SKAM discogs @ http://subnet.virtual-pc.com/~sk393820

--- K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Stupid. aaron@wired.com............................................................

At 11:07 05/09/97 -0800, aaron................. wrote:

quoted 6 lines how can you say "each unto his own" and then bash goa? that statement

>how can you say "each unto his own" and then bash goa? that statement >implies a level of respect for other people's choices in music...... > >and i'd like to add that respect of music does not mean you like it, but >understand it for what it is, and can appreciate the appeal it has to other >people.....

Yeah, point taken. I was really into trance a year or so ago, but I just haven't heard anyting very interesting recently, and I've heard some downright bad stuff too. But Pete had taken someone else's harsher words on Goa - I quote "completetly derivative, locked in its own vicious circle of bullshit and middle class snobbery" and applied it to jungle. The key point of my post was not to slag goa off, butto object to this, but in fact that's what I ended up doing... Case closed, I hope. np: Kool FM (still) J ^ Steady J aka James Skilton steady-j@geocities.com Autechre & SKAM discogs @ http://subnet.virtual-pc.com/~sk393820

quoted 2 lines what i cant handle is all the fake mysticism bullshit that seems to

> what i cant handle is all the fake mysticism bullshit that seems to > along with it....

Don't forget the lovely tie-dye togs.

At 12:45 04/09/97 -0600, you wrote:

quoted 4 lines well ok, but it doesn't stop the music being shit now, does it? and i

>>well ok, but it doesn't stop the music being shit now, does it? and i >>admit that i haven't heard every goa trance record but i've heard quite a >>few and the whole scene strikes me as being completely derivative, locked >>in its own vicious circle of bullshit and middle class snobbery...

quoted 1 line Funny, that's how I'd peg jungle.

>Funny, that's how I'd peg jungle.

what the fuck do you know about anything? cheerio! np - analogue bubblebath 4.0 - afx \/\/\/\/\/+++++''''|||| YOUR'E GRANNY WOULN'DT LIKE IT salford sounds, the phriendly fonographic phun-loving label for the noughties.. http://www.sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk/migration.ram ----- --------

quoted 1 line Brett McCormick wrote:

>Brett McCormick wrote:

quoted 6 lines As far as goa trance goes, can people recommend some good artists or

>> As far as goa trance goes, can people recommend some good artists or >> comps? >> >> People who rule out music because of how someone else has labeled it >> are just limiting their chances of getting good music, not improving >> them.

Best goa track I've heard is: Astral Projection: People Can Fly the rest have either bored me after a while or sucked altogether. but shit, that's hard as fuck to find on vinyl :( anybody know any stores anywhere that stock up on goa? __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ www.freq-div.home.ml.org