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1997-05-08 18:20Erkki RautioNah, I don't know anything about Boyd Rice's alleged Nazi connections, only that Mr. Rice

From:: Erkki Rautio <trerra@uta.fi>
To:: anAlFiXation <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 8 May 1997 18:20:04 +0300 (EET DST)
Subject:: (idm) Boyd Rice

Nah, I don't know anything about Boyd Rice's alleged Nazi connections, only that Mr. Rice has produced some classic industrial stuff in his days. A Finnish tabloid "City" just claimed in their story on the Church of Scientology that also Isaac Hayes belongs to their ranks - so does that mean I can't listen to my beloved "Shaft" soundtrack again, when I've found out that its composer is a part of mindwashing organisation that's known to rip people off and fuck up their lives? (As far as my own political opinions go, and if someone's unsure, I'd like you to check out my page http://www.uta.fi/~trerra/conscience.html - though this is irrelevant to this list, and I'm going to drop this subject NOW.)

quoted 10 lines I hope your little ;) indicates sarcasm, because I don't know what it's

> I hope your little ;) indicates sarcasm, because I don't know what it's > like in Finland, but over here we generally don't like people who praise > nazis. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Erkki Rautio > > Besides, I > > find Boyd's outlook on life totally charming; something that always > > warms > > my cold arctic heart ;)

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1997-05-10 00:33john/bergmayerI have noticed that many people will say that they do not care about a musician's politics

From:: john/bergmayer <yesno@primenet.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Fri, 9 May 1997 17:33:03 -0700 (MST)
Subject:: (idm) music and politics
Reply to:: (idm) Boyd Rice

I have noticed that many people will say that they do not care about a musician's politics as long as those politics do not include something they really disagree with (for example: nazism). I disagree with Consolidated's super-liberalism but their album "Friendly Fascism" produced by Jack Dangers is excellent. I wonder, though, if some group of Hitler Youth wannabes put out an equally good album would I like it? I probably would be turned off. This is clearly hypocritical.

1997-05-10 00:57Random Junkjohn/bergmayer writes: > I disagree with Consolidated's super-liberalism but their album "

From:: Random Junk <jsd@gamespot.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Fri, 9 May 1997 17:57:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) music and politics
Reply to:: (idm) music and politics

john/bergmayer writes:

quoted 4 lines I disagree with Consolidated's super-liberalism but their album "Friendly

> I disagree with Consolidated's super-liberalism but their album "Friendly > Fascism" produced by Jack Dangers is excellent. I wonder, though, if some > group of Hitler Youth wannabes put out an equally good album would I like > it? I probably would be turned off. This is clearly hypocritical.

i own a bunch of muslimgauze albums and i feel a little twinge every time i listen to one of them, but damn, they're so good. oh well, i suck. guess i'll go to hell when i die. -- Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com SpotMedia Communications How the drunk and the maimed both are dragged forward out of the arena like a boneless Christ, one man under each arm, feet dragging, eyes on the aether. (David Foster Wallace/Infinite Jest)

1997-05-11 12:17Walkeron Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 john/bergmayer <yesno@primenet.com> wrote: >I have noticed that m

From:: Walker <qpy320@sp2.power.uni-essen.de>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Sun, 11 May 1997 14:17:22 +0200
Subject:: Re: (idm) music and politics

on Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 john/bergmayer <yesno@primenet.com> wrote:

quoted 3 lines I have noticed that many people will say that they do not care about a

>I have noticed that many people will say that they do not care about a >musician's politics as long as those politics do not include something >they really disagree with (for example: nazism).

Many but mabye not all. I don't think your can seperate music and politics. Music is a form of expression, a statement. Even without lyrics it has a meaning. Together with it you have certain live styles in music-cultures. All that expresses IMO a political opinion, attitude and can be very political my itself. Depends somewhat on your definition of politics. And when the beloved music-business comes in it definitly gets political.

quoted 1 line I disagree with Consolidated's super-liberalism but

>I disagree with Consolidated's super-liberalism but

"super-liberalism"? Consolidated are THAT extrem that they get unliberal themself. On one show they did some spoof-techno in order to criticize those "white techno guys". Great! Where did Hip-Hop come from?! They are very hipocritical themself, full of negativity and hate. Consolidated's world is very generalized and opinionized.

quoted 1 line their album "Friendly Fascism" produced by Jack Dangers is excellent.

>their album "Friendly Fascism" produced by Jack Dangers is excellent.

That's true. The sound it great.

quoted 3 lines I wonder, though, if some group of Hitler Youth wannabes put out an

>I wonder, though, if some group of Hitler Youth wannabes put out an >equally good album would I like >it? I probably would be turned off. This is clearly hypocritical.

why? I guess you are somewhat political and Consolidated is just to extreme for you. I at least am sick of those preaching musicians. A good song, that makes me think, that moves me etc. is ok but don't try to tell me what the "truth" is. Because of that I prefer Meat Beat Manifesto or Spearhead! :) take care, harald Wicked World: http://music.city.de/wicked

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