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sm@4th World wrote:

quoted 15 lines written by Marcel <gmv500@earthlink.net>

> > written by Marcel <gmv500@earthlink.net> > Subject: (idm) Balil? > > >Is there a Balil full - length? > > no > > >C'mon BD people on the list what's up with it. > > err.. balil was the work of ex black dog personages, > must be too busy working on the plaid album and doing > shit remixes > > btw - sad to hear the news about mr ginsberg:(

what news? 'been outta it lately.....

quoted 4 lines btw2 - the names fsol/daft punk/chemical bros/orbital should be

> > btw2 - the names fsol/daft punk/chemical bros/orbital should be > banned from this list (imo)- take yer trash to alt.techno and discuss > some good music for a change:)

What? "take my trash..." Boy all I asked about was Balil and I get flamed about some shit I never even asked about? No wonder this list is such shit lately people are so edgey they make up flame wars, goddamn it's becomming the: IDIOT'S DANCE MUSIC list. Who else is as frustrated as I??? I can't uderstand how some of the veterans (Gonzi, Jan Hanford, Derek Jordan, others...) stay around. HEY YOU sm@4th World watch your flames buddy, 'kay? gil

written by Marcel <gmv500@earthlink.net> Subject: (idm) Balil?

quoted 1 line Is there a Balil full - length?

>Is there a Balil full - length?

no

quoted 1 line C'mon BD people on the list what's up with it.

>C'mon BD people on the list what's up with it.

err.. balil was the work of ex black dog personages, must be too busy working on the plaid album and doing shit remixes btw - sad to hear the news about mr ginsberg:( long may the howl continue btw2 - the names fsol/daft punk/chemical bros/orbital should be banned from this list (imo)- take yer trash to alt.techno and discuss some good music for a change:) sm@4thworld -- http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/4thworld/ check the 'propoganda' page - interviews + features on black dog/ as one/ musik aus strom / jimpster / compost / irdial + more np - pulsha - isolation (universal language)

On Sun, 6 Apr 1997, sm@4th World wrote:

quoted 3 lines err.. balil was the work of ex black dog personages,

> err.. balil was the work of ex black dog personages, > must be too busy working on the plaid album and doing > shit remixes

So tell me, which are the shit remixes? I don't have the money to track down every plaid/balil rmx...I wish Ken would get in on the rmx action more. I do have the money to track down all his stuff.

quoted 3 lines btw2 - the names fsol/daft punk/chemical bros/orbital should be

> btw2 - the names fsol/daft punk/chemical bros/orbital should be > banned from this list (imo)- take yer trash to alt.techno and discuss > some good music for a change:)

Sorry, but fsol and orbital are a lot of people's first intro to electronica. The chems, I agree don't belong here - they're fucking rocknroll disguised as techno - a trojan horse of the worst sort. Daft punk I've never heard, but I can tell from the list of who's hyping them that I wouldn't like them. Che

On 6 Apr 1997 8:55 UT (-0500), Che wrote to me:

quoted 3 lines rocknroll disguised as techno - a trojan horse of the worst sort. Daft

> rocknroll disguised as techno - a trojan horse of the worst sort. Daft > punk I've never heard, but I can tell from the list of who's hyping them > that I wouldn't like them.

I'm not quite sure how to take that one. Sure, I've only been contributing here for about three years, but really, I honestly think they're a half-decent band worth checking out. They're production quality is simple, but really crisp, and the beats are so smooth. Only half of their album, "Homework," is actually any good..... HOWEVER, that one half is very special indeed. onnow: sharp scientific 12" (emocean) Lame Thread Prevention in Effect: Aaron Michelson --------------------------------------------------------------------- aw-teck'r (autechre) "Everything you Know is Wrong" For reviews, interviews, art & trash http://www.on-it.net/~aaron/ aaron@defiant.on-it.net

On Sun, 06 Apr 1997 00:28:49 -0800, you wrote:

quoted 12 lines written by Marcel <gmv500@earthlink.net>

>written by Marcel <gmv500@earthlink.net> >Subject: (idm) Balil? > >>Is there a Balil full - length? > >no > >>C'mon BD people on the list what's up with it. > >err.. balil was the work of ex black dog personages, >must be too busy working on the plaid album and doing >shit remixes

i've heard this opinion before and must protest. the only poor plaid mix i've heard and i think i have most of them is the deelite one. the studio pressure remix is quite quite astounding, as was the gregory fleckner mix, the mooking mix (sadly overlooked along with the acacia mix) and others which don't spring to mind quite so easily but i'm sure adam h can name for me. g.

quoted 12 lines err.. balil was the work of ex black dog personages,

>> >>err.. balil was the work of ex black dog personages, >>must be too busy working on the plaid album and doing >>shit remixes > >i've heard this opinion before and must protest. the only poor plaid >mix i've heard and i think i have most of them is the deelite one. the >studio pressure remix is quite quite astounding, as was the gregory >fleckner mix, the mooking mix (sadly overlooked along with the acacia >mix) and others which don't spring to mind quite so easily but i'm >sure adam h can name for me. >

Here I am. Shambala remix on As One Reflections on Reflections Nav Katze - the first remix with the vocals SoftBallet and of course, the only justification for the existence of Mo Wax U.N.K.L.E. Time Has Come (or time is coming or whatever it is) "Coffee House Conversation" mix "Sassafras" mix adam

On Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:49:36 +0100, you wrote:

quoted 1 line Shambala remix on As One Reflections on Reflections

>Shambala remix on As One Reflections on Reflections

hmm.

quoted 1 line Nav Katze - the first remix with the vocals

>Nav Katze - the first remix with the vocals

yeah

quoted 1 line SoftBallet

>SoftBallet

yeah.

quoted 1 line and of course, the only justification for the existence of Mo Wax

>and of course, the only justification for the existence of Mo Wax

who?

quoted 3 lines U.N.K.L.E. Time Has Come (or time is coming or whatever it is)

>U.N.K.L.E. Time Has Come (or time is coming or whatever it is) >"Coffee House Conversation" mix >"Sassafras" mix

yeah those were the biggies that i missed. tony played one of them out on friday. yum. g. btw. with a bit of luck and stuff the bluenote blech will be dat'ed and ra'd up onto warpnet very soon after the event, so those of you unfortunate enough to live in 'the big one' as michael moore would have it will not miss much noise wise. but no promises yet as things could go wring.

quoted 1 line written by me >> & Marcel > <gmv500@earthlink.net>

> written by me >> & Marcel > <gmv500@earthlink.net>

quoted 1 line btw - sad to hear the news about mr ginsberg:(

>> btw - sad to hear the news about mr ginsberg:(

quoted 1 line what news? 'been outta it lately.....

>what news? 'been outta it lately.....

he passed away today:(

quoted 3 lines btw2 - the names fsol/daft punk/chemical bros/orbital should be

>> btw2 - the names fsol/daft punk/chemical bros/orbital should be >> banned from this list (imo)- take yer trash to alt.techno and discuss >> some good music for a change:)

(touch of sarcasm & devils advocate in there me thinks!)

quoted 2 lines What? "take my trash..." Boy all I asked about was Balil and I get flamed

>What? "take my trash..." Boy all I asked about was Balil and I get flamed >about some shit I never even asked about?

err..should have split those 2 emails up...this comment was not direct towards you personally, but a general point to the list, sorry if you took offence cos none was meant, but some things need to be said - tho sarcasm dosent translate easily:)

quoted 3 lines No wonder this list is such shit lately

>No wonder this list is such shit lately >people are so edgey they make up flame wars, goddamn it's becomming the: >IDIOT'S DANCE MUSIC list.

dont you think the reason this list has been 'shit' of late is that the bulk of the discussion revolves around daft punk/chemical bros et al, mixmaster morris also posted to this effect recently - i was just trying to make the point that there is so much music out there that _should_ be getting discussed that _isn't_ cheers sm @ 4thworld -- http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/4thworld/ check the 'propoganda' page - interviews + features on black dog/ as one/ musik aus strom / jimpster / compost / irdial + more

On Sun, 6 Apr 1997, sm@4th World wrote:

quoted 5 lines dont you think the reason this list has been 'shit' of late is

> dont you think the reason this list has been 'shit' of late is > that the bulk of the discussion revolves around daft punk/chemical bros et al, > mixmaster morris also posted to this effect recently - i was just trying to > make the point that there is so much music out there that _should_ be getting > discussed that _isn't_

hm. i don't think it's too shitty. if i see something i don't like, i hit d. but i do think the roots of idm thread is one of the best i've seen in awhile (i'm gonna jump in on that one sometime soon). and as for certain bands not getting discussed: regardless of who's being discussed and how many bands are being discussed, there're going to be some bands that are going to be overlooked. and in this particular genre (whatever each and every one of you want to call it and whoever you all want to include--don't wanna start another what is idm thread) obscurity is the name of the game. :) np bee gees : night fever. <- NOT idm * * + * * \|/ * *----]euroboy[----]micah.stupak[----]mjsst87+@pitt.edu[------e-+ * >>bitwise.operators /|\ * * * + i hate anyone who sees me as an illusion of passion.

At 01.28 97-04-06 -0800, you wrote:

quoted 5 lines dont you think the reason this list has been 'shit' of late is

>dont you think the reason this list has been 'shit' of late is >that the bulk of the discussion revolves around daft punk/chemical bros et al, >mixmaster morris also posted to this effect recently - i was just trying to >make the point that there is so much music out there that _should_ be getting >discussed that _isn't_

I think Mixmaster Morris can take his elitistshit and shove it! I can't see how talking about daft punk prevents you from talking about "so much music that should be discussed". afaik there isn't a limit of mails to the list, so go ahead. talk away. franz - enjoying "homework" btw. does anyone knows how to get a hold of the 12" "da funk" i've been looking for it for a year, without success. let me know if you can help. - franz johan marino enmark '''''''' = ) - =-= = '''''''''' - - http://gargamel.com/plod -->-->--> -/ - - - ] '''''''' - - eggshell@ts.umu.se ''''''''''''''' = -.. =-= = '''''''''' -

Franz wrote:

quoted 9 lines At 01.28 97-04-06 -0800, you wrote:

> > At 01.28 97-04-06 -0800, you wrote: > >dont you think the reason this list has been 'shit' of late is > >that the bulk of the discussion revolves around daft punk/chemical bros et al, > >mixmaster morris also posted to this effect recently - i was just trying to > >make the point that there is so much music out there that _should_ be getting > >discussed that _isn't_ > > I think Mixmaster Morris can take his elitistshit and shove it!

grin - i dont see it as being elitist, there is a differance between elitism and genuinely caring about the 'scene' you are involved in, morris has been around since day one and is one person i have a lot of respect for..his opinion counts for a lot in my book

quoted 3 lines I can't see how talking about daft punk prevents you from talking about "so

> I can't see how talking about daft punk prevents you from talking about "so > much music that should be discussed". afaik there isn't a limit of mails to > the list, so go ahead. talk away.

it dosent prevent me, but when the bulk of each idm digest is taking up discussing *mainstream* acts such as daft punk/chemicals - something is wrong, wasn't idm was originally set up to discuss forward thinking electronic music stuart @ 4thworld -- http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/4thworld/ check the 'propoganda' page - interviews + features on black dog/ as one/ musik aus strom / jimpster / compost / irdial + more

On 06 Apr 1997 13:54 -0700 (-1200), sm@4th World wrote to me:

quoted 4 lines it dosent prevent me, but when the bulk of each idm digest is taking up

> it dosent prevent me, but when the bulk of each idm digest is taking up > discussing *mainstream* acts such as daft punk/chemicals - something is > wrong, wasn't idm was originally set up to discuss forward thinking electronic > music

IDM was set up many years ago to discuss forward thinking electronic music. I totally agree with you. Keep in mind however, this was many years ago when the only accessible mainstream electronica was Sunscreem. Are we allowed to talk about the Orb here, even though they're mainstream? Things have changed so dramatically over the last couple years. At one time, The Chemical Brothers were just two guys making rock-friendly techno, and an A&R guy got the wise idea of making them big. The same has happened the Prodigy, Underworld, and Daft Punk. I discuss the bands here that I enjoy, and that I feel should be shared. You'll definitely hear me talk about Daft Punk, Orbital and Underworld, but you'll probably never hear me discuss the chemicals or prodigy, simply because I don't like 'em (though I still do throw on the prodigy experience, just for laughs). But the same goes to lesser known bands. I'm still pushing Tipsy, Tranquility Bass, Jega, Sharp Scientific (who are currently working on an album from Silent), David Moufang, and DJ Spooky. Forget the politics. I want to discuss good music, whether it be mainstream or independent. My only worry is in a few years when all the Underworld and Orbital clones start coming out (you know, like grunge clones Silverchair, etc.) because that'll be the day we'll have to start sorting the crap from the gold. Cheerio! onnow: Sharp Scientific (Emocean) Lame Thread Prevention in Effect: Aaron Michelson --------------------------------------------------------------------- aw-teck'r (autechre) "Everything you Know is Wrong" For reviews, interviews, art & trash http://www.on-it.net/~aaron/ aaron@defiant.on-it.net

Aaron Michelson wrote:

quoted 12 lines On 06 Apr 1997 13:54 -0700 (-1200), sm@4th World wrote to me:

> > On 06 Apr 1997 13:54 -0700 (-1200), sm@4th World wrote to me: > > > it dosent prevent me, but when the bulk of each idm digest is taking up > > discussing *mainstream* acts such as daft punk/chemicals - something is > > wrong, wasn't idm was originally set up to discuss forward thinking electronic > > music > Forget the politics. I want to discuss good music, whether it be mainstream > or independent. My only worry is in a few years when all the Underworld and > Orbital clones start coming out (you know, like grunge clones Silverchair, > etc.) because that'll be the day we'll have to start sorting the crap from > the gold.

to sum up my thoughts on this daft punk/chemicals thread an apt quote from mixmaster morris "to me techno is like jazz, im only really interested in the people who create new styles,i want the charlie parkers or the miles davis's not the kenny g's" toodle pip! stuart @ 4thworld http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/4thworld/ check the 'propoganda' page - interviews + features on black dog/ as one/ musik aus strom / jimpster / compost / irdial + more