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Re: (idm) RE: Schoolhouse Rock

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1997-01-28 21:40Chris Fahey (idm) RE: Schoolhouse Rock
1997-01-29 04:00Lazlo Nibble (idm) RE: Schoolhouse Rock
1997-01-29 13:02Blipvert Re: (idm) RE: Schoolhouse Rock
1997-01-29 14:44Chris Fahey RE: (idm) RE: Schoolhouse Rock
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1997-01-28 21:40Chris Fahey>-----Original Message----- >From: Lazlo Nibble [SMTP:lazlo@swcp.com] > >In other words, w
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'IDM'
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Tue, 28 Jan 1997 16:40:40 -0500
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(idm) RE: Schoolhouse Rock
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quoted 38 lines -----Original Message----->-----Original Message----- >From: Lazlo Nibble [SMTP:lazlo@swcp.com] > >In other words, when you're nostalgic about things it's because you >appreciate >quality when you see it, but when other people are nostalgic about things, >it's because they're insecure fuckups without lives. > >And I think it's a crime to disrespect or ignore old music simply because >it's >not new music, so there you go. > >CF sez: >No, when I like something that happens to be old it's not nostalgia. When you >like something BECAUSE it's old, then that's nostalgia. Please don't tell me >that Happy Days was a good TV show, or that Duran Duran was a good band or >that Atari Combat is as good a game to Mario 64.. > >It's okay to realize that something that seemed cool when you were a kid is >not cool now, or that something that seemed dorky to you as a kid is cool >now. I think that one of the biggest reasons for nostalgia, and the reason it >feels so good for many people, is that it is an affirmation that you were >interesting when you were a kid, and that the things that shaped you are >enduring treasures. This is fine, but not when the things that you reminisce >about are crap. There are plenty of wonderful things in the past which I >think have been neglected because of a need for constant change, but Star >Wars is not one of those things. > >I think that if everyone asked themselves before they bought the "Schoolhouse >Rocks" CD last year "Is this even remotely good music?", that half of them >would not have bought it. > >I agree that we shouldn't dislike old stuff because it's old. But I think >really new, really innovative stuff is almost always good, at least >temporarily. > >-Chris Fahey >
1997-01-29 04:00Lazlo Nibble>> In other words, when you're nostalgic about things it's because you >> appreciate quali
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Intelligent Dance Music
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Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:00:02 -0700 (MST)
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(idm) RE: Schoolhouse Rock
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quoted 8 lines In other words, when you're nostalgic about things it's because you>> In other words, when you're nostalgic about things it's because you >> appreciate quality when you see it, but when other people are nostalgic >> about things, it's because they're insecure fuckups without lives. > > No, when I like something that happens to be old it's not nostalgia. When > you like something BECAUSE it's old, then that's nostalgia. Please don't > tell me that Happy Days was a good TV show, or that Duran Duran was a > good band or that Atari Combat is as good a game to Mario 64..
I'm sorry, I'd forgotten that the Fahey Committee had deemed "Happy Days", Duran Duran, and old Atari cartridges unsuitable for the attention of young moderns. I'll be sure to toss out all my DD CDs and 2600 carts (never was a big "Happy Days" fan) because you don't like them -- you are, after all, the arbiter of Appropriate Taste for all generations, past and present.
quoted 3 lines It's okay to realize that something that seemed cool when you were a kid> It's okay to realize that something that seemed cool when you were a kid > is not cool now, or that something that seemed dorky to you as a kid is > cool now.
It's okay? Really? Can I get that in writing? Is it also okay to enjoy or not enjoy things for their own sake, regardless of whether or not they're "kEwL!"? I want to be sure, because, ya know, that's pretty much how I like to do things, and I'd be sorely disappointed if you decided that wasn't "KhO0l". I'd have to, like, realign my outlook on life and stuff, and I was really looking forward to being able to see Star Wars in a theatre again this weekend so I hope you can let me know whether that's "qUuLe" enough before I buy my ticket. I'm counting on you for this, Chris!
quoted 4 lines I think that one of the biggest reasons for nostalgia, and the reason it> I think that one of the biggest reasons for nostalgia, and the reason it > feels so good for many people, is that it is an affirmation that you were > interesting when you were a kid, and that the things that shaped you are > enduring treasures.
I get it -- people don't *really* "like" Star Wars or Duran Duran, they're just being tricked into THINKING they "like" Star Wars or Duran Duran by a combination of mammalian imprinting and clever market manipulation! Wow, it's all so clear to me now: nobody but you is capable of independent thought! Well, here's something for you to use that massive brain on for a while: why do you feel the urge to loudly and publicly degrade things that other people like, do, and think? Is it maybe just a way of affirming (tricking yourself into thinking) that you're more "interesting" than All Those Pathetic Idiots Out There Who Like Things You Don't, when in fact you're really just trying to distract us away from noticing that you're Horribly Afraid That People Might Make Fun Of You For Liking What You Like?)
quoted 3 lines I think that if everyone asked themselves before they bought the "Schoolhouse> I think that if everyone asked themselves before they bought the "Schoolhouse > Rocks" CD last year "Is this even remotely good music?", that half of them > would not have bought it.
You're right, they would have been much better off just randomly splatting their money away at the kinds of "really new, really innovative stuff" you buy, because as you're carefully established through a rigorous series of analyses, that "stuff" is "almost always good!" Meanwhile, I'll gladly stack "Three Is A Magic Number" up against "I Feel Love" any day of the week. (Criswell Predicts: Now it's time for Chris to try to excuse his dismissive, insulting horseshit by claiming that it was was "just his opinion".) -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo)
1997-01-29 13:02BlipvertLazlo Nibble wrote: > and stuff, and I was really looking forward to being able to see Sta
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Re: (idm) RE: Schoolhouse Rock
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Lazlo Nibble wrote:
quoted 3 lines and stuff, and I was really looking forward to being able to see Star Wars in> and stuff, and I was really looking forward to being able to see Star Wars in > a theatre again this weekend so I hope you can let me know whether that's > "qUuLe" enough before I buy my ticket. I'm counting on you for this, Chris!
I will be in line an hour before the theatre opens, listening to Newcleus and waiting to buy my tickets. I listen to Kraftwerk 12"s while playing my coin operated, ATARI Asteroids game. steve | | | | | | ON: Microstoria_snd / | \ / | \ A T A R I
1997-01-29 14:44Chris FaheyExcuse me! >-----Original Message----- >From: Lazlo Nibble [SMTP:lazlo@swcp.com] >Sent: Tu
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'IDM'
Date:
Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:44:46 -0500
Subject:
RE: (idm) RE: Schoolhouse Rock
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Excuse me!
quoted 74 lines -----Original Message----->-----Original Message----- >From: Lazlo Nibble [SMTP:lazlo@swcp.com] >Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 1997 11:00 PM >To: idm@hyperreal.com >Subject: (idm) RE: Schoolhouse Rock > >>> In other words, when you're nostalgic about things it's because you >>> appreciate quality when you see it, but when other people are nostalgic >>> about things, it's because they're insecure fuckups without lives. >> >> No, when I like something that happens to be old it's not nostalgia. When >> you like something BECAUSE it's old, then that's nostalgia. Please don't >> tell me that Happy Days was a good TV show, or that Duran Duran was a >> good band or that Atari Combat is as good a game to Mario 64.. > >I'm sorry, I'd forgotten that the Fahey Committee had deemed "Happy Days", >Duran Duran, and old Atari cartridges unsuitable for the attention of young >moderns. I'll be sure to toss out all my DD CDs and 2600 carts (never was a >big "Happy Days" fan) because you don't like them -- you are, after all, >the arbiter of Appropriate Taste for all generations, past and present. > >> It's okay to realize that something that seemed cool when you were a kid >> is not cool now, or that something that seemed dorky to you as a kid is >> cool now. > >It's okay? Really? Can I get that in writing? > >Is it also okay to enjoy or not enjoy things for their own sake, regardless >of >whether or not they're "kEwL!"? I want to be sure, because, ya know, that's >pretty much how I like to do things, and I'd be sorely disappointed if you >decided that wasn't "KhO0l". I'd have to, like, realign my outlook on life >and stuff, and I was really looking forward to being able to see Star Wars in >a theatre again this weekend so I hope you can let me know whether that's >"qUuLe" enough before I buy my ticket. I'm counting on you for this, Chris! > >> I think that one of the biggest reasons for nostalgia, and the reason it >> feels so good for many people, is that it is an affirmation that you were >> interesting when you were a kid, and that the things that shaped you are >> enduring treasures. > >I get it -- people don't *really* "like" Star Wars or Duran Duran, they're >just being tricked into THINKING they "like" Star Wars or Duran Duran by a >combination of mammalian imprinting and clever market manipulation! Wow, >it's >all so clear to me now: nobody but you is capable of independent thought! > >Well, here's something for you to use that massive brain on for a while: why >do you feel the urge to loudly and publicly degrade things that other people >like, do, and think? Is it maybe just a way of affirming (tricking yourself >into thinking) that you're more "interesting" than All Those Pathetic Idiots >Out There Who Like Things You Don't, when in fact you're really just trying >to >distract us away from noticing that you're Horribly Afraid That People Might >Make Fun Of You For Liking What You Like?) > >> I think that if everyone asked themselves before they bought the >>"Schoolhouse >> Rocks" CD last year "Is this even remotely good music?", that half of them >> would not have bought it. > >You're right, they would have been much better off just randomly splatting >their money away at the kinds of "really new, really innovative stuff" you >buy, because as you're carefully established through a rigorous series of >analyses, that "stuff" is "almost always good!" > >Meanwhile, I'll gladly stack "Three Is A Magic Number" up against "I Feel >Love" any day of the week. > >(Criswell Predicts: Now it's time for Chris to try to excuse his dismissive, >insulting horseshit by claiming that it was was "just his opinion".) > >-- >::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo)