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1997-01-09 00:03SS Re: (idm) regarding orbital and idm in general
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1997-01-09 04:10Oskar Andersson Re: (idm) regarding orbital and idm in general (lenghty)
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1997-01-09 00:03SSAt 06:19 PM 1/8/97 -0500, Alex Reynolds wrote: > >2) An opinion is an opinion. Thought I m
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At 06:19 PM 1/8/97 -0500, Alex Reynolds wrote:
quoted 3 lines 2) An opinion is an opinion. Thought I made this quite clear, but it seems> >2) An opinion is an opinion. Thought I made this quite clear, but it seems >that folks sometimes need reminding.
Exactly and yours isn't any better than anyone else's.
quoted 7 lines To start even more shit, and perhaps a more interesting thread:>To start even more shit, and perhaps a more interesting thread: > >Notice that most of the IDM artists and their fans are white males with a >tonne of disposable income? Is this merely coincidence? Should this be >more than mere chance, why is this so? Why, in fact, did this list earn >the name '*intelligent* dance music,' as opposed to any other name? Does >this moniker have a racial basis?
I don't know anyone else with the same tastes in music as me that I know personally so I can't comment on a racial thing. Yeah I'm sure you're right, the "intelligent" part of the name refers to most of the fans being white, yeah right. Stop trolling for flames and start talking about music.
1997-01-09 03:09Alex ReynoldsOn Wed, 8 Jan 1997, SS wrote: > Exactly and yours isn't any better than anyone else's. And
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On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, SS wrote:
quoted 1 line Exactly and yours isn't any better than anyone else's.> Exactly and yours isn't any better than anyone else's.
And when did I say my opinion was better than anyone's? Feel free to quote what I've written, and try to avoid the usual "your tone says . . ." nonsense. I was voicing my opinion, just as you were. I even said to take what I wrote 'with a grain of salt.' Sheesh. You're no fun at all.
quoted 4 lines I don't know anyone else with the same tastes in music as me that I> I don't know anyone else with the same tastes in music as me that I > know personally so I can't comment on a racial thing. Yeah I'm sure you're > right, the "intelligent" part of the name refers to most of the fans being > white, yeah right. Stop trolling for flames and start talking about music.
I am talking about music; in particular, social aspects of this type of music and its fan base. I think it merits discussion; I would like to know other's viewpoints as well. It is very interesting to me that an artform by mostly white artists that borrows heavily from mostly black artists has a description that effectively states: "All other forms of (dance) music are unintelligent." Moreover, I've heard few acknowledgments of those artists who created the samples used by, and which have inspired IDM artists. I've been on this list for over a year and I have read no other thread in the archive that deals with this observation. Let us discuss or put our heads in the sand and talk about the next neat-o AFX or FSOL publicity stunt. As it stands, flames have no effect on me. If they had, I'd have responded to mail re: orbital much earlier. So -- take care. Yours, Alex Alexander ("Alex" will do nicely) Peter Reynolds polygon@jhu.edu http://jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu/~polygon http://www.jhu.edu/~jhufilm - Senior User Consultant Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Homewood Campus Baltimore, MD USA
1997-01-09 04:10Oskar AnderssonAlex Reynolds wrote: > I am talking about music; in particular, social aspects of this typ
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Alex Reynolds wrote:
quoted 8 lines I am talking about music; in particular, social aspects of this type of> I am talking about music; in particular, social aspects of this type of > music and its fan base. I think it merits discussion; I would like to > know other's viewpoints as well. It is very interesting to me that an > artform by mostly white artists that borrows heavily from mostly black > artists has a description that effectively states: "All other forms of > (dance) music are unintelligent." Moreover, I've heard few > acknowledgments of those artists who created the samples used by, and > which have inspired IDM artists.
the thing that strikes me is the importance put on being innovative or retro... so 'intelligent' ain't the most humble remark about your own musical preference, but still this here term should be seen as a distinction of this kind of music from movements like goa/trance/euro and similes.. which we probably could agree on being more about losin your head than keepin it clear. i've only been into idm-style music for 2 years or so, but i think there's an evident development towards using musical background such as jazz/funk/soul/blues in a innovative sense... while temporary music-styles such as euro clearly has a development based on sales and mtv, it seems to me idm ain't afraid of using things way past while still thinkin' ahead. the racial aspect could probably have something to do with white males, such as myself, recently came into music styles like jazz and the others mentioned above. don't u think? for me it seems quite evident that it isn't our natural territory.. at least middle/north european majorities have been lookin for their musical identity in styles such as guitar based rock (in various shapes) with diversions into punk, synth/electro.. while americans probably had more of a varied background. i think the search for an identity and a musical niche is a strong aspect here... i don't think many of us grew up with a large quantity of the kinds of music we're moving into now (i might be wrong though). i think retro into jazz/funk/soul is appealing because we haven't had much contact with it before. and innovation is lovely, dontchathink? personally i could work up a sweat just as easy to a dj playin' trance/techno as to one playing more innovative or 'intelligent' stuff, if not easier. but i wouldn't listen to the stuff at home. thass why i consider idm equipped with some brains. and why should there be offense in calling music made solely for moving your feet 'dumb'? of course it is. ..oops. lengthy. oh well, u read it or u don't. -- Oskar Andersson aka Dj Mono - mono@tbm.scicom.se -