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1996-10-21 10:40Ken DownieAaron Michelson whined :- >>Whether it's a short loop or a drawn out long loop, it's still

From:: Ken Downie <root@dogsquad.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Cc:: <Keir@feedback.com>
Date:: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 11:40:17 +0100 (BST)
Subject:: (idm) Re: The Black Dog

Aaron Michelson whined :-

quoted 5 lines Whether it's a short loop or a drawn out long loop, it's still a loop.

>>Whether it's a short loop or a drawn out long loop, it's still a loop. >>And without any progression or emotion, loops get boring. I've given >>"Music for Adverts..." plenty of time, and it still has failed to grow >>on me as some promised. While there are a few tracks that are >>interesting and intriguing, the album as a whole is mediocre at best.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt, went back and listened to the album. Whilst i can take critique 'on the chin', this posting stinks of more than that. Conclusion: ----------- How you have the gall to sit there on your effete american arse, and call my album 'mediocre at best' astounds me!!!! "Don't call something shite, unless you can do better." Book of Dogma (42:4) -- + . /\___/\ . * | < The Black Dog > | + * . . * . . * (. .) + | | . * . * + ___ooO__\-/__Ooo___ | | + + + + . /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ | Dogma >> | http://www.feedback.com/tbd/ * 3-5-3 * (Dis)information > | tbd@feedback.com

1996-10-21 22:46JMRTNKO! please stand by...This little rivalry has just been demoted from inane, to just plain sad. Ken, all your pet

From:: JMRTNKO! please stand by... <martinko@netcom.com>
To:: i d i o m <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 15:46:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: (idm) Re: Black Dog vs. Plaid vs. USA vs...
Reply to:: (idm) Re: The Black Dog

This little rivalry has just been demoted from inane, to just plain sad. Ken, all your petty "vengeance is mine" bickering and vacant Dog propaganda ("important music," you said) over the past year has smacked of little more than the pitiful whining of a jealous boyfriend. Did you think you could continue using the Black Dog name (I don't care *who* owns it), make several kilobytes of promises, and *still* magically escape comparison or criticism? Just doesn't work that way, I'm afraid. Some suggestions for the book of Dogma: "Take it like a man" "Get on with it, already" Your tired 'merican-bashing bit proves you're out of ammo. So grow up and put down your cap gun. There's nobody in this little war but you, Quixote. jmar! | J M R T N K O | fonstrosities and other toys by ILLGBLITY ENGNRING. | | D S G N E T C | JOHN-A MARTINKO, w. desk chief martinko@netcom.com |

1996-10-21 22:27Gonzi (Fresh)> Conclusion: > ----------- > How you have the gall to sit there on your effete american >

From:: Gonzi (Fresh) <fresh@linkonline.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 15:27:58 -0700
Subject:: Re: (idm) Re: The Black Dog

quoted 7 lines Conclusion:

> Conclusion: > ----------- > How you have the gall to sit there on your effete american > arse, and call my album 'mediocre at best' astounds me!!!! > > "Don't call something shite, unless you can do better." > Book of Dogma (42:4)

No doubt it certainly is in poor taste and not exactly up to par manners to insult something you probably worked quite hard on (everyone knows you are a list member) directly to your face, there's no need to get down on us Americans. Good bless the USA, _____ / ,-,_) /,_) (/ RESH Live & Direct from the G-Spot, Orange County, California, USA

1996-10-21 22:39Philip EvansAt 3:27 PM 10/21/96, Gonzi (Fresh) wrote: >> Conclusion: >> ----------- >> How you have th

From:: Philip Evans <aciddrop@earthlink.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 15:39:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) Re: The Black Dog

At 3:27 PM 10/21/96, Gonzi (Fresh) wrote:

quoted 20 lines Conclusion:

>> Conclusion: >> ----------- >> How you have the gall to sit there on your effete american >> arse, and call my album 'mediocre at best' astounds me!!!! >> >> "Don't call something shite, unless you can do better." >> Book of Dogma (42:4) > >No doubt it certainly is in poor taste and not exactly up to par manners >to insult something you probably worked quite hard on (everyone knows >you are a list member) directly to your face, there's no need to get >down on us Americans. > >Good bless the USA, > _____ > / ,-,_) > /,_) >(/ RESH >Live & Direct from the G-Spot, >Orange County, California, USA

I think that's the first time the word "effete" and "American" have ever been that near to each other in a sentence. I've heard boorish, I've heard provincial, but effete? I thought that was why God invented the French! Peace, -Phil [----------] [---] [-----] [-----] [-----] [----------] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [----------] [----------] [---] [---] [----------] [----------] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [--------] [-----] [-----] [---] [-----] [----------] Home is where the stereo is!

1996-10-22 02:24Aaron Michelsonfresh@linkonline.net said (really!) : > No doubt it certainly is in poor taste and not exa

From:: Aaron Michelson <amichel@io.org>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:24:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) Re: The Black Dog

fresh@linkonline.net said (really!) :

quoted 4 lines No doubt it certainly is in poor taste and not exactly up to par manners

> No doubt it certainly is in poor taste and not exactly up to par manners > to insult something you probably worked quite hard on (everyone knows > you are a list member) directly to your face, there's no need to get > down on us Americans.

Considering this is a public forum, I debated whether or not printing my opinion on Ken's new album would be rude and unethical. Considering that the mailing list reaches over 900 readers, printing my opinion here is like printing my work in any other magazine. I respect Ken to the highest degree as one of the influencial pioneers of modern intelligent dance music. I have no personal gripes with the guy, just a few with his latest album. And it's not like the album has been flamed to death, as mixed reviews in various press will tell you differently. Let's keep this a haven for unbiased information. on now: CJ Bolland - The Analogue Theatre (Internal) Lame Thread Prevention in Effect: Aaron Michelson --------------------------------------------------------------------- aw-teck'r (autechre) "Everything you Know is Wrong." For reviews, interviews, art & trash *UPDATED* http://www.io.org/~amichel/ amichel@io.org * Offline Orbit 0.75a *

1996-10-22 18:11tweibrecht@juno.comseems to me you CANT take critique on the chin...why personalize? i think the album is bor

From:: <tweibrecht@juno.com>
To:: <root@dogsquad.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:11:12 PST
Subject:: (idm) Re: The Black Dog

seems to me you CANT take critique on the chin...why personalize? i think the album is boring , quite honestly...and im not siting on my arse either... On Mon, 21 Oct 1996 11:40:17 +0100 (BST) root@dogsquad.com (Ken Downie) writes:

quoted 37 lines Aaron Michelson whined :-

>Aaron Michelson whined :- > >>>Whether it's a short loop or a drawn out long loop, it's still a >loop. >>>And without any progression or emotion, loops get boring. I've given > >>>"Music for Adverts..." plenty of time, and it still has failed to >grow >>>on me as some promised. While there are a few tracks that are >>>interesting and intriguing, the album as a whole is mediocre at >best. > >I gave you the benefit of the doubt, >went back and listened to the album. > >Whilst i can take critique 'on the chin', >this posting stinks of more than that. > >Conclusion: >----------- >How you have the gall to sit there on your effete american >arse, and call my album 'mediocre at best' astounds me!!!! > >"Don't call something shite, unless you can do better." > Book of Dogma (42:4) >-- > + . /\___/\ . * | < The Black Dog > | + * . . * > . > . * (. .) + | | . * . * + > ___ooO__\-/__Ooo___ | | + + + + >. > /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ | Dogma >> | >http://www.feedback.com/tbd/ > * 3-5-3 * (Dis)information > | tbd@feedback.com > > >

1997-10-01 16:41-0s.f.w.d. wrote: > > If you run across Music For Adverts, this is the cake... I absolutely

From:: -0 <galaxey@earthlink.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 16:41:15 +0000
Subject:: (idm) Re: the black dog

s.f.w.d. wrote:

quoted 6 lines If you run across Music For Adverts, this is the cake... I absolutely

> > If you run across Music For Adverts, this is the cake... I absolutely > can't hear that enough (though still stand by my first comments > concerning how the tunes just end... it really gets to me... some of > the songs could just go on and never end and that'd be fine with > me...)

I can't agree more. I loved MFA the minute I heard it. After two minutes of listening I snatched it up. I feel the same way; I wish the songs could just go on and on, instead of being snipped so short. Anyone know if that Black Dog guy on the list plans to release any of the tracks in there entirety? I know, I am guessing that some of the tracks on MFA are longer than what we got. I hope there is more to them and that we get to hear them eventually. I have made a similar comment in the past regarding the +Phil+ parts on Bytes. I sure wished there was a full-length release of all the +Phils+ in their entirety (that is if they have any more length to them) if anyone knows that BD guys email (we see him on the last often enuff), I'd love to ask him:) -0 np: Disque 9 (crazy lo-fi shit!)

1997-10-02 05:20262> I can't agree more. I loved MFA the minute I heard it. After two > minutes of listening

From:: 262 <meatpipe@ugcs.caltech.edu>
To:: <galaxey@earthlink.net>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:20:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) Re: the black dog
Reply to:: (idm) Re: the black dog

quoted 3 lines I can't agree more. I loved MFA the minute I heard it. After two

> I can't agree more. I loved MFA the minute I heard it. After two > minutes of listening I snatched it up. I feel the same way; I wish the > songs could just go on and on, instead of being snipped so short.

this was part of what i liked about MFA. the tracks are short, and they flow together rather nicely. i think the album works rather nicely as a whole, its like a long journey through time and space or something. id still have to say that bytes is my favorite album. the tracks on bytes dont have the complexity and progression that those on spanners have, or the flowing transitions of MFA, but nothing grooves like bytes. the dog will never do you wrong. -t

1997-10-01 22:34-0262 wrote: > > > I can't agree more. I loved MFA the minute I heard it. After two > > minu

From:: -0 <galaxey@earthlink.net>
To:: 262 <meatpipe@ugcs.caltech.edu>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 22:34:36 +0000
Subject:: Re: (idm) Re: the black dog

262 wrote:

quoted 12 lines I can't agree more. I loved MFA the minute I heard it. After two

> > > I can't agree more. I loved MFA the minute I heard it. After two > > minutes of listening I snatched it up. I feel the same way; I wish the > > songs could just go on and on, instead of being snipped so short. > this was part of what i liked about MFA. the tracks are short, and they > flow together rather nicely. > i think the album works rather nicely as a whole, its like a long journey > through time and space or something. > > id still have to say that bytes is my favorite album. the tracks on bytes > dont have the complexity and progression that those on spanners have, or the > flowing transitions of MFA, but nothing grooves like bytes.

I feel exactly like you. MFA flows perfectly. it is just that Groove that bytes has, that I'd like to see again. I wonder if these short tracks, while being excellent, may contain more of what bytes does to all of us. Maybe not. We'll see in what the future holds in upcomming BD releases. Short is good. When it's its really good you want more, that's all I intended to convey to the list:) ciao, -0 NP: Speedy J Public Enery No.1 (another used bin great find)

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