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2000-02-09 08:45(idm) Re: Warnings
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2000-02-09 08:45AeOtaku@aol.comLance - I had a long response penned, but my computer just rebooted. Argh. Much of it was
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Lance - I had a long response penned, but my computer just rebooted. Argh. Much of it was superfluous anyway, so I'll just be concise. First off, I didn't accuse anyone of lying because they have friends and get free promos. I just worry that my only source of information on releases is from radio DJ's and retailers, some of whom just seem to paraphrase promo sheets (no insults to anyone, just my personal interpretation). I cannot disagree with you more on the final sentence of your response. The purpose of this list is to have discussion about music people on it enjoy and to talk about releases one might not otherwise come across. One of the best ways to hear about a release is to hear a myriad of opinions, both positive and negative, from all sorts of diverse people on this list, which helps to flesh out what exactly a record is like. I have heard not one other person with any articulate criticism of Quench, or L@N, or anything else you've brought up in the past month. That includes myself, and I intend to change that. You accuse me in your response of "spouting off". I think that's quite far from the truth. Instead why I am trying to do is promote intelligent, critical musical discussion. In "critical" I mean articulate, meaningful analysis of any piece of musical work in the genres this list covers. Whether the result is positive or negative is irrelevant as long as honest opinions have been conveyed. Lance, you're right that there are a ton of new releases coming out every week, which is precisely why everyone should comment on them, and frequently. If I heard ten things about the new Sator Rotas CD, for instance, I'd be absolutely thrilled, no matter what the opinions expressed were, because it would be a great barometer of the record (I haven't even gotten to listen to mine yet I have so many records in stacks that haven't been touched, probably half of which I have heard nothing critical, insightful or informative about on any list). Lance, you know I respect your enthusiasm for music a great deal. But I would guess that you buy more music than 95% of this list. I probably buy about 60-70% of what you do, maybe even less, but I realize there are a lot of people on here who just don't have the money or the interest in spending all sorts of money in "unsucessful music ventures", which is precisely why I see a big need to not only promote what we like, but address why we didn't like records. It is certainly my issue that putting everything on an equal playing field is of paramount importance, and that means trying to be as honest, articulate and helpful about all the music I hear as I can be, because as someone who likes to buy a lot of good music I want to turn other people onto music I liked and give caution if I thought something was an unwarranted purchase. I can't speak for anyone else, but review sites like Forcefield or magazines like the Wire were immensely helpful to me when I began to get into electronic music some years ago, and Lance I know that getting opinions on what releases to check and what not to check helped you as well, as it has everyone. Knowing what releases are perhaps not as worth it as ones which are is essential to spending time and money on things worth time and money. If somebody hasn't heard of a lot of releases a store has (entirely likely) and nobody mentions a thing about them, and they aren't in the store to have the luxury to listen to them (a luxury I, and many on this list, don't have), not saying anything doesn't help them. Saying what you thought, and why, does. _And Here Is The Summary_ I certainly agree no one person can decide for anyone else if something is "bad". But they help provide perspective (do you generally agree with this person? do you know? did they mention what other records you might like if you liked this or if you like certain records that might mean you liked this one? was this release generally better or worse than the artists' other ones or other artists in a similar style and why? does the reviewer find this a common flaw/merit? etc.) and an outlet for people to do their own research on upcoming releases. In conclusion, I wish we had reviews like the ones you can see on http://www.2350.org for example. You have positive and negative reviews, but most of all you have insightful and descriptive reviews from a variety of people providing a variety of viewpoints. That's what matters. And I'd just be a hypocrite if I stated how good this was and didn't back it up. So yes, expect some reviews from me of many, many records ASAP. Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-02-10 05:24Lance @ InaudibleAt 03:45 AM 2/9/2000 -0500, you wrote: >First off, I didn't accuse anyone of lying because
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At 03:45 AM 2/9/2000 -0500, you wrote:
quoted 13 lines First off, I didn't accuse anyone of lying because they have>First off, I didn't accuse anyone of lying because they have >friends and get free promos. I just worry that my only >source of information on releases is from radio DJ's and retailers, >some of whom just seem to paraphrase promo sheets (no insults >to anyone, just my personal interpretation). > >I cannot disagree with you more on the final sentence of >your response. The purpose of this list is to have discussion >about music people on it enjoy and to talk about releases >one might not otherwise come across. One of the best ways >to hear about a release is to hear a myriad of opinions, both >positive and negative, from all sorts of diverse people on this >list, which helps to flesh out what exactly a record is like.
Well obviously it is a difference of opinion and we'll just leave it at that. To make up for my previous off-topic post, i'll post a bunch of qucikie reviews on friday. in the meantime, here is my current list of favorites: . Gramm: personal_rock cd (Source) . Arovane: atol scrap cd (Din) . Autopoieses: la vie a noir transposed 2xlp (Mille Plateaux) . Farben: featuring the dramatics 12" (Klang Elektronik) . Sutekh: miasma 12" (Force Inc.) . Remixen die Welttraumforscher comp LP (Gargarin) . Plod: pillow talk cd (Worm Interface) . Dat Politics: tracto flirt lp (Skipp) .. Plasm Nesonic: automated choice response 12" (Delsin 8dsr/pns 1) . Ihan: iota cd (Mille Plateaux) . Vladislav Delay: entain cd (Mille Plateaux) . Mathias Schaffhauser: hotel lido cd (Force Inc) . Boulderdash: we have not been to koxut island cd (RUC) . Clicks_+_Cuts comp 2xcd/3xLP (Mille Plateaux/MP079) . Jake Mandell: quondam current cd/2xLP (Force Inc/FIM-1-036) Quick blurbs on the above coming on Friday... -->-Lance--- lance@inaudible.com p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-02-10 23:26brucelevthe level of quality control over at mille plateaux is just amazing. you could spin a whee
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the level of quality control over at mille plateaux is just amazing. you could spin a wheel and buy almost any release at random and end up with an excellent disc. keep it coming... btw, the vladislav delay CD on chain reaction is pretty damn good as well.
quoted 33 lines To make up for my previous off-topic post, i'll post> >To make up for my previous off-topic post, i'll post >a bunch of qucikie reviews on friday. in the meantime, >here is my current list of favorites: > >. Gramm: personal_rock cd (Source) >. Arovane: atol scrap cd (Din) >. Autopoieses: la vie a noir transposed 2xlp (Mille Plateaux) >. Farben: featuring the dramatics 12" (Klang Elektronik) >. Sutekh: miasma 12" (Force Inc.) >. Remixen die Welttraumforscher comp LP (Gargarin) >. Plod: pillow talk cd (Worm Interface) >. Dat Politics: tracto flirt lp (Skipp) >.. Plasm Nesonic: automated choice response 12" (Delsin 8dsr/pns 1) >. Ihan: iota cd (Mille Plateaux) >. Vladislav Delay: entain cd (Mille Plateaux) >. Mathias Schaffhauser: hotel lido cd (Force Inc) >. Boulderdash: we have not been to koxut island cd (RUC) >. Clicks_+_Cuts comp 2xcd/3xLP (Mille Plateaux/MP079) >. Jake Mandell: quondam current cd/2xLP (Force Inc/FIM-1-036) > >Quick blurbs on the above coming on Friday... > >-->-Lance--- >lance@inaudible.com >p.o. box 450715 >westlake, ohio 44145 >united states > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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