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1995-11-15 13:28Ashok Divakaran 39191 Re: (idm) RTTS + Cab. Volt.
├─ 1995-11-15 14:29CiM Re: (idm) RTTS + Cab. Volt.
│ ├─ 1995-11-15 20:27Derek Jordan Re: (idm) RTTS + Cab. Volt.
│ └─ 1995-11-16 00:22Miles Egan (idm) Innovation in music (was Re: Cab. Volt.)
└─ 1995-11-15 19:48Matthew Lehrer Re: (idm) RTTS + Cab. Volt.
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1995-11-15 13:28Ashok Divakaran 39191
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1995-11-15 14:29CiMOn Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Ashok Divakaran 39191 wrote: Ashok - I'm having some problems with yo
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On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Ashok Divakaran 39191 wrote: Ashok - I'm having some problems with your mails. You seem to use attachments and they're pretty hard to reply to (I have to save out the attachment and then re-import it back in). Maybe it's just my mailer...
quoted 3 lines I have to quibble on this definition of "intelligent"--i.e., that anything>I have to quibble on this definition of "intelligent"--i.e., that anything >that strikes a listener as "innovative" is "intelligent". What we find >innovative depends on our musical backgrounds,
But we're all aware (I hope) of innovation within the techno/IDM sphere of things...
quoted 5 lines Personally, I grew up on technopop and then industrial music. Hence I>Personally, I grew up on technopop and then industrial music. Hence I >find "Ventolin", the Basic Channel comp., and "Landcruising" >unspeakably boring >--similar things have been done years ago by people in a totally different >"scene". However, others find these "innovative". Who's right?
You might find them boring Ashok - that's slightly different to being innovative. I don't much like Phillip Glass and the minimal classical output - I find it boring too - but I *do* think that it's innovative and for that reason, it deserves some respect.
quoted 3 lines I'm also a bit fed up with the notion that anything that's a) quite>I'm also a bit fed up with the notion that anything that's a) quite >clearly danceable and b) has melody and harmony is automatically >barred from membership in the IDM club.
You're generalising - I've *never* said that music for the floor wasn't intelligent. If music is going to make me move, it's got to give me something different - thats what I mean by innovation. Otherwise, it's mindless and lazy and, I've said it before, unforgivable in electronic music. Pretty much all the standout dance classics are tracks that have done something new, something innovative that made people think "what's this?" (_Strings of Life_, _LFO_, _Digeridoo_, _Voodoo Ray_, _Spastik_, _De-Orbit_, _Choke & Fly_...). IDM and dance music in general has to keep moving on, otherwise it stagnates. Agree? IMO, Goa doesn't do this. || [CiM] || s.walley@uea.ac.uk || http://www.sys.uea.ac.uk/~u9323899/
1995-11-15 20:27Derek Jordan> of Life_, _LFO_, _Digeridoo_, _Voodoo Ray_, _Spastik_, _De-Orbit_, _Choke > & Fly_...).
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quoted 3 lines of Life_, _LFO_, _Digeridoo_, _Voodoo Ray_, _Spastik_, _De-Orbit_, _Choke> of Life_, _LFO_, _Digeridoo_, _Voodoo Ray_, _Spastik_, _De-Orbit_, _Choke > & Fly_...). IDM and dance music in general has to keep moving on, otherwise > it stagnates. Agree? IMO, Goa doesn't do this.
But like the above mentioned tracks, "over time" we have grown to love them, and recognise them as classics. Perhaps the pigenholing, and "slapping" the label on a genre of music detracts from the importance. I think that might be what you're struggling with. Most of us these days hate to use the word "Techno"(which most of the above tracks are considered to be) but if I, for instance, were to thrown on a track at a party, it made you "think", and persuaded you to buy it, would it matter that it was a "goan-influenced" track from, say, Man With No Name? Derek Jordan
1995-11-16 00:22Miles Egan> On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Ashok Divakaran 39191 wrote: > > >Personally, I grew up on technopo
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(idm) Innovation in music (was Re: Cab. Volt.)
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quoted 7 lines On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Ashok Divakaran 39191 wrote:> On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Ashok Divakaran 39191 wrote: > > >Personally, I grew up on technopop and then industrial music. Hence I > >find "Ventolin", the Basic Channel comp., and "Landcruising" > >unspeakably boring > >--similar things have been done years ago by people in a totally different > >"scene". However, others find these "innovative". Who's right?
I've heard a lot of industrial music and I don't think I've heard anything with a more than superficial similarity to the Ventolin mixes. I certainly can't think of more than a handful of industrial records with as much character and bizarre humor. At this point, I'm not as concerned with finding "innovative" music as I am with finding expressive music that moves me. Ventolin and the Basic Channel comp. are both fascinating records that I listen to often. I NEVER pull out Second Annual Report or NON anymore.
1995-11-15 19:48Matthew LehrerOn Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Ashok Divakaran 39191 wrote:
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On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Ashok Divakaran 39191 wrote: