brandon,
nice analysis. i am completely with you. and i guess, that i am acting the
same. i do download, and i oftenly do not buy the albums i get - i don#t
even listen to them again. nice thing about p2p data: can be deleted.
but thats a normal case, isn#t it? what i will miss when EFA is gone, is the
record store at the corner, which will probably suffer from that breakdown
harshly itself - since the small business will not be able to afford oversea
shipping costs for the small quantities they actually do sell of specialized
records such as we buy them. that means i will loose expertise in my
neighbourhood.
i will have to rely more on researching all the necessary info about new
music myself, whereas before i could just trust the dj-store guy, who was
pleasantly supplied with all albums necessary by EFA, for instance. okay,
some smaller comanies will try to fill the gap - apart from the fact, that a
few hundred mini labels will go under with EFA aswell...
regarding the p2p discussion i can only say, that people tend to overreact
towards praising p2p inventions sometimes, especially when oneself makes an
attempt towards a tiny little bit of a fairness discussion. people over here
automatically feel provoked towards repeating, that RIAA (which we don#t
have here, but sthg similar...) of course acts unethical. but they are not
even thinking asbout buying stuff they really like. because they can get it
fro free anyways.
(RIAA and alike: shall go under/be ignored to its own death! not the
slightest doubt about that.)
during my last stay in the US in last autumn i noticed, that people i met
and discussed with there were actually much more aware of the ethics or
non-ethics involved in this matter.
almost everyone was willing to buy a product he/she liked, even in
parts/downloadable, and almost no one i met showed interest in buying
complete albums with one good track on. of course not!
times for that type of fake are definately over 8)
over here people buy tons of playstic product still, and the hysterical
discussions on the p2p lovers side show, that we're still in the age of
escaping controller controlled music releases.
...
tradidional distribution might just cost too much and it takes it too long
to ship specialized product to the customer. this, as good as it is on the
one hand, will still on the other hand let my informant at the
dj-corner-store suffer...
thanx for detailed insight, brandon. i guess it needs a load of people with
a most complete insight on this, then any individual would make wise
decisions. even if one has to wait a few days for that "the books" album...
jayrope | berlin
On 3/7/04 23:41 PM, "Sara and Brandon" wrote:
quoted 74 lines Reading over this, I am ashaimed at how robotic I
> Reading over this, I am ashaimed at how robotic I
> sound. Sorry in advance.....
>
> Generally speaking, about everything I've bought over
> the last three years I've downloaded first. I usually
> do keep a backup copy of most of what I buy.
> If you want a hard core "ethical" response: I feel
> there is nothing ethically wrong with someone
> downloading an album provided it doesn't influence the
> support they would or would not have given to the
> production of the work. I also tend to believe it is
> wrong to assume, at face value, that anyone
> downloading an album is stealing. To me,
> uh....philosophically speaking, borrowing a friends CD
> and downloading a digital representation of the music
> contained on that CD can be of equal ethical weight
> provided that (a) the borrower does not make a
> duplicate of the work in place of paying for the work
> before returning the album; (b) the downloader does
> not keep the mp3s in place of paying for the work, and
> (c) unless the work was purchased, the downloader must
> delete the files within a reasonable period of time.
> The common strain you'll notice with all of my
> statements is that the decisions are all local to the
> consumer, which is a major threat to the strictly
> "business interested" - which you'll notice if you
> explore the massive lawsuits the RIAA has produced,
> which in my opinion are highly unethical as, (1) as
> far as I'm aware based on what I've read about their
> conduct, there is no mechanism in their process to
> ensure they're not targeting what I've called group c,
> not to mention that members of this group also might
> own the work and as far as sharing with others; (2)
> the guilt should not rest on the "sharer" as by the
> nature of the exchange of peer to peer property there
> is no way to possibly know if the downloader will
> treat the intellectual property in good faith; and (3)
> the amounts of money they are seeking are entirely off
> base as, concerning intellectual property, the loss of
> capitol is not directly related to the experience of
> downloading as there is no way an outside party can
> possibly know if the downloader was intending to buy
> the product to begin with.
> The most difficult thing are cases where only half the
> the tracks are great and the other half aren't worth
> it. I wouldn't buy the release as a whole, but I
> would also not want to give the other music up. In
> the past, I did act in an "unethical" fashion in that
> I did keep the tracks I liked as there was no
> alternative. On the upside, more and more options are
> available to counter this. With bleep.com for
> example, there is no reasonable way anyone couldn't
> support them based on their attraction to only one or
> two great tracks. You can buy the one or two great
> tracks, or 8 of 15 or 14 of 15.
> The bottom line, I don't believe that intellectual
> property and capitalism fit together firmly. There is
> a sort of fuzzy relationship, but the success of that
> relationship over the course of major technological
> advances was largely due to strict (and in the case of
> the RIAA lawsuits - insanely heavy handed) laws to
> offset the natural urge to explore what is available.
> At the heart of it all I don't think any method which
> requires excessive laws and regulations is healthy.
> Is it practical? No. Is it "fair"? Not really. It
> is reality? I think so. Will some more open
> alternative work in fairness to everyone? I believe
> eventually, yes. Certainly not in this climate
> though.
> Also, I tend to like vinyl, and as far as I know, you
> can't p2p that.
>
> Brandon
>
Best greets from Berlin!
jayrope
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