you’re disgusting, connor.
On 20 Oct 2014, at 22:48, Connor Higgins <connor1higgins@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 180 lines Why should I even bother having this conversation when folks like Jared come in and smash
> Why should I even bother having this conversation when folks like Jared come in and smash the metaphorical house of cards we've already established. Yes, Jared: Piracy is a criminal act. What I'm asking is if piracy is currently aiding the promotion of new and upcoming artists.
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> Someone above argued that youtube and spotify should be used instead of trackers, but I think everyone is aware of the limited scope that these services can provide. For one, they can barely attest to being better than pirating, as artists tend to receive little to no compensation per view. Furthermore, these services tend to omit certain groups, or only feature a specific subset of an artist's work. Consider someone that's just stumbled upon Autechre, but youtube or spotify only features Quaristice (Just a hypothetical). Most fans would agree there are better starting points in their discography, and having only found this one currently inaccessible album, our potential fan has written the duo off for good.
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> On the other hand, if our potential fan uses a private tracker of sorts, he or she will find the duo's entire discography at their fingertips. Having read the reviews posted of albums, he or she can make an informed first-listening decision, which can potentially galvanize a long-term fandom, and therefore a monetary investment, be it through concert tickets or actually paying for the albums. The point is, a great deal of this process stops because of how incomprehensive youtube and spotify are as sources for musical exploration. And for the measly benefit of earning the artist fractions of a penny.
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> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:
> property is theft
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHSH9rUqTpw
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> Clint Anderson
> Systems Engineer
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> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> wrote:
> piracy is theft. or else, instead of calling it piracy, it'd be called "happy free giveaways from people who work their ass off on their art". yes, it is that black and white.
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> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:
> heh, not gonna say anything other than that google will provide you with more music sharing 0dayz sites than you will ever be able to shake any number of sticks at
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> personally i enjoy buying records and listening to clicks and pops too much to pirate everything but i do really insist on at least streaming the entire release before i drop what is sometimes as much as $40 on a release (SYRO was $32.99!)
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> im not pro-file-sharing sites i just think its ridiculous that there is a interview process and invites for something that literally couldn't be easier to find or even trip over its so common
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> Clint Anderson
> Systems Engineer
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> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Connor Higgins <connor1higgins@gmail.com> wrote:
> Juho: Do you have a good rebuttal to the "ends justifying the means" argument concerning piracy and its potential benefits? I'm all ears. Let's just stay away from blatant misrepresentations of each other's views.
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> Tris: I'd send you one if I had an invite to give, but unfortunately I don't. Trackers tend to be rather conservative when handing those out. The other method is to take the IRC interview and test, which is how I ended up joining. It's a little tedious (~3 hours or so) but it isn't too difficult in terms of content. Just know the basic file formats and the like. There's a number of resources online if you're interested enough.
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> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Tristan Strange <tristan.strange@gmail.com> wrote:
> Don't know if this is the place to ask but.....
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> Is any one capable of inviting me to these services?
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> Cheers,
> Tris
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> On 20 October 2014 17:15, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote:
> i like to make generalised sweeping statements about an entire industry based on my habits too
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> On 20 Oct 2014, at 15:56, Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I AM GROOT
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>> On 20 October 2014 16:55, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote:
>> just follow him on facebook. you'll soon get to realise what he thinks of the music industry and the middleman. Don't get me wrong here, piracy is bad, my point is that waffles/what.cd caused my music purchasing to rise, not fall. but then that's just me... do you think that sites have cause a drop in sales? do you think that the people pirating would purchase if piracy wasn't an option? i think a small percentage would but the others would just find some other way of getting music for free..
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>> On 20 October 2014 14:39, Esa J. Ruoho <esaruoho@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Can You direct us to an interview with A Guy Called Gerald?
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>> Sent from some iDevice. Written by Esa.
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>> > On 20 Oct 2014, at 15:33, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > to be fair, spotify and youtube weren't around when i joined OiNK.
>> > it's only recently that these services have taken off. I hardly use
>> > torrents any more, i've purchased all my needs from the past now and i
>> > continue to buy new stuff on bandcamp etc. It was the music industry
>> > that failed to respond to the internet, so don't blame OiNKers for
>> > creating something to force their hand. Rules are simple, if you
>> > download, then purchase from the artist directly. Paying the major
>> > companies for anything is even worse. the artist gets virtually none
>> > of that. Go speak to A Guy Called Gerald and ask him what he thinks of
>> > the music industry :)
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>> >
>> >> On 20/10/2014, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> internet music wankers (tm)
>> >>
>> >> “but i wouldnt discover things if i didnt copy them at first” is the most
>> >> 80s argument i know of. hey we have things like youtube and spotify in the
>> >> 2000s, hope you’ll join us here, connor..
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>> >>> On 13 Oct 2014, at 09:13, Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >>> im bad with ratios and whatnots so i would just go there to find comments
>> >>> on my own releases.
>> >>> that's what i used what.cd for, i think.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 13 October 2014 08:24, Connor Higgins <connor1higgins@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> Still ethically shaky regardless of accepting that it as such.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> it's only a quagmire if you don't want to accept piracy is disrespectful.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 10/13/2014 3:22 PM, Connor Higgins wrote:
>> >>> If it's anything like what.cd <http://what.cd>, just make sure to be
>> >>> picky in your selections and seed generously. No need to fill requests
>> >>> or upload unless you're going overboard with your "purchases".
>> >>>
>> >>> If this ends up turning into one of those rehashed discussions on the
>> >>> merits and moral qualms associated with pirating music, then here are my
>> >>> two cents: I wouldn't know 2/3's of the artists I currently support
>> >>> monetarily if I hadn't nicked some of their work illegally. Do the ends
>> >>> justify the means? How should I know? Let the ethicists in their ivory
>> >>> towers navigate that quagmire. I just listen to music.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Sam Loschl <watercat1996@gmail.com
>> >>> <mailto:watercat1996@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> anybody on waffles? just got an invite, looking for friends or any
>> >>> advice you'd have for a novice. first private tracker i've had the
>> >>> opportunity to join
>> >>>
>> >>> sam`
>> >>> 808cat
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Sham Beam
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