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Clint Anderson
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Alan Lucas
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Mon, 20 Oct 2014 18:11:05 -0500
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Pretty sure this post will stop piracy forever On Oct 20, 2014 5:29 PM, "Alan Lucas" <alucas@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 82 lines Seriously, Connor? Is our potential fan that much of a moron? Where does> Seriously, Connor? Is our potential fan that much of a moron? Where does > our potential fan buy his/her music? Bleep? You can listen to the entire > album there. Bandcamp? You can listen to entire albums there, AND they > don't even autopause you after a minute. Pretty much any other website on > the internet that sells music? You can listen to clips of every track on > the album there. > > Let me see if I have this straight: > > * Our potential fan is interested in Artist X. > * Artist X does not have any samples of their work anywhere on the > internet. > * Artist X's works are only sold in a brick and mortar store that's on the > other side of the world from our potential fan. > * Our potential fan has no choice but to steal Artist X's work because > somehow it got leaked to an illegal piracy site but exists NOWHERE ELSE ON > THE INTERNET where our potential fan might be able to hear it. > > A few other things we need to understand about our potential fan: > > * Our potential fan can't make informed decisions about a potential > purchase without having an artist's entire discography on his hard drive. > * Our potential fan reads reviews of albums but still has to have an > artist's entire discography on his hard drive before making decisions > regarding purchase. > > It almost sounds like you're trying to tell me that before YouTube, > Spotify, and tracker sites, no one actually bought any albums because you > couldn't necessarily have an entire artist's catalog on your hard drive (oh > wait, those used to not exist, either!). I know this is not the case, > because I bought plenty of music before the birth of the internet and > before I had a computer. There were times when I would go into a record > store, hear something playing on the overhead, and buy the entire album by > that artist just because I was so excited about the track I had just heard. > CAN YOU EVEN IMAGINE?!?!? > > I stil buy lots of music. Lots of it without having heard it at all. > Something new by Mika Vainio? Hell yes, I'm going to buy that. The new > Aphex? I felt bad about listening to minipops before it was release because > I DIDN'T want to hear it before it came out. > > Anyway, I think what you're really trying to say, or convince people of, > is that it's okay to steal. Some people are going to agree with you. Other > people aren't. A lot of people have grown up with the notion that stealing > is a crime, and a lot of people don't like having things stolen from them. > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Connor Higgins <connor1higgins@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Why should I even bother having this conversation when folks like Jared >>> come in and smash the metaphorical house of cards we've already >>> established. Yes, Jared: Piracy is a criminal act. What I'm asking is if >>> piracy is currently aiding the promotion of new and upcoming artists. >>> >>> Someone above argued that youtube and spotify should be used instead of >>> trackers, but I think everyone is aware of the limited scope that these >>> services can provide. For one, they can barely attest to being better than >>> pirating, as artists tend to receive little to no compensation per view. >>> Furthermore, these services tend to omit certain groups, or only feature a >>> specific subset of an artist's work. Consider someone that's just stumbled >>> upon Autechre, but youtube or spotify only features Quaristice (Just a >>> hypothetical). Most fans would agree there are better starting points in >>> their discography, and having only found this one currently inaccessible >>> album, our potential fan has written the duo off for good. >>> >>> On the other hand, if our potential fan uses a private tracker of sorts, >>> he or she will find the duo's entire discography at their fingertips. >>> Having read the reviews posted of albums, he or she can make an informed >>> first-listening decision, which can potentially galvanize a long-term >>> fandom, and therefore a monetary investment, be it through concert tickets >>> or actually paying for the albums. The point is, a great deal of this >>> process stops because of how incomprehensive youtube and spotify are as >>> sources for musical exploration. And for the measly benefit of earning the >>> artist fractions of a penny. >>> >>> /rant >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>