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From:
Jared Dunne
To:
Justin
Cc:
Connor Higgins , Clint Anderson , Tristan Strange , IDM List
Date:
Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:11:11 -0600
Subject:
Re: waffles
Msg-Id:
<CAMXEQcDj-m6Equ+cCFB4yt9jXS3D35gm6FwBFwk0rDYcDENkhg@mail.gmail.com>
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Oh. Sorry. I sort of jumped in late, without realizing what was established, and what wasn't established. That said, I'm not interested in metaphors. Nor am I interested in how criminals can help my business. On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Justin <ytbmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 276 lines I disagree. I don't think having access to an entire discography at once> I disagree. I don't think having access to an entire discography at once > makes for a better experience when discovering an artist. Also, I like how > on YouTube you can cruise around listening to "related" artists in the side > bar. I think the process of discovering music on your own somewhat makes > for a richer music experience. Trackers and stuff are great for finding > rare first pressing vinyl rips of hard/impossible to find or crazy > expensive releases. Just my opinion. > > On Monday, October 20, 2014, Connor Higgins <connor1higgins@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Why should I even bother having this conversation when folks like Jared >> come in and smash the metaphorical house of cards we've already >> established. Yes, Jared: Piracy is a criminal act. What I'm asking is if >> piracy is currently aiding the promotion of new and upcoming artists. >> >> Someone above argued that youtube and spotify should be used instead of >> trackers, but I think everyone is aware of the limited scope that these >> services can provide. For one, they can barely attest to being better than >> pirating, as artists tend to receive little to no compensation per view. >> Furthermore, these services tend to omit certain groups, or only feature a >> specific subset of an artist's work. Consider someone that's just stumbled >> upon Autechre, but youtube or spotify only features Quaristice (Just a >> hypothetical). Most fans would agree there are better starting points in >> their discography, and having only found this one currently inaccessible >> album, our potential fan has written the duo off for good. >> >> On the other hand, if our potential fan uses a private tracker of sorts, >> he or she will find the duo's entire discography at their fingertips. >> Having read the reviews posted of albums, he or she can make an informed >> first-listening decision, which can potentially galvanize a long-term >> fandom, and therefore a monetary investment, be it through concert tickets >> or actually paying for the albums. The point is, a great deal of this >> process stops because of how incomprehensive youtube and spotify are as >> sources for musical exploration. And for the measly benefit of earning the >> artist fractions of a penny. >> >> /rant >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> property is theft >>> >>> [NOISE] Altemark - Property is Theft >>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHSH9rUqTpw> >>> >>> >>> Clint Anderson >>> Systems Engineer >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> piracy is theft. or else, instead of calling it piracy, it'd be called >>>> "happy free giveaways from people who work their ass off on their art". >>>> yes, it is that black and white. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> heh, not gonna say anything other than that google will provide you >>>>> with more music sharing 0dayz sites than you will ever be able to shake any >>>>> number of sticks at >>>>> >>>>> personally i enjoy buying records and listening to clicks and pops too >>>>> much to pirate everything but i do really insist on at least streaming the >>>>> entire release before i drop what is sometimes as much as $40 on a release >>>>> (SYRO was $32.99!) >>>>> >>>>> im not pro-file-sharing sites i just think its ridiculous that there >>>>> is a interview process and invites for something that literally couldn't be >>>>> easier to find or even trip over its so common >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Connor Higgins < >>>>> connor1higgins@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Juho: Do you have a good rebuttal to the "ends justifying the means" >>>>>> argument concerning piracy and its potential benefits? I'm all ears. Let's >>>>>> just stay away from blatant misrepresentations of each other's views. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tris: I'd send you one if I had an invite to give, but unfortunately >>>>>> I don't. Trackers tend to be rather conservative when handing those out. >>>>>> The other method is to take the IRC interview and test, which is how I >>>>>> ended up joining. It's a little tedious (~3 hours or so) but it isn't too >>>>>> difficult in terms of content. Just know the basic file formats and the >>>>>> like. There's a number of resources online if you're interested enough. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Tristan Strange < >>>>>> tristan.strange@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Don't know if this is the place to ask but..... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is any one capable of inviting me to these services? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Tris >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 20 October 2014 17:15, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i like to make generalised sweeping statements about an entire >>>>>>>> industry based on my habits too >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 20 Oct 2014, at 15:56, Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I AM GROOT >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 20 October 2014 16:55, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> just follow him on facebook. you'll soon get to realise what he >>>>>>>>> thinks of the music industry and the middleman. Don't get me wrong here, >>>>>>>>> piracy is bad, my point is that waffles/what.cd caused my music >>>>>>>>> purchasing to rise, not fall. but then that's just me... do you think that >>>>>>>>> sites have cause a drop in sales? do you think that the people pirating >>>>>>>>> would purchase if piracy wasn't an option? i think a small percentage would >>>>>>>>> but the others would just find some other way of getting music for free.. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 20 October 2014 14:39, Esa J. Ruoho <esaruoho@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Can You direct us to an interview with A Guy Called Gerald? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from some iDevice. Written by Esa. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > On 20 Oct 2014, at 15:33, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > to be fair, spotify and youtube weren't around when i joined >>>>>>>>>> OiNK. >>>>>>>>>> > it's only recently that these services have taken off. I hardly >>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>> > torrents any more, i've purchased all my needs from the past >>>>>>>>>> now and i >>>>>>>>>> > continue to buy new stuff on bandcamp etc. It was the music >>>>>>>>>> industry >>>>>>>>>> > that failed to respond to the internet, so don't blame OiNKers >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> > creating something to force their hand. Rules are simple, if you >>>>>>>>>> > download, then purchase from the artist directly. Paying the >>>>>>>>>> major >>>>>>>>>> > companies for anything is even worse. the artist gets virtually >>>>>>>>>> none >>>>>>>>>> > of that. Go speak to A Guy Called Gerald and ask him what he >>>>>>>>>> thinks of >>>>>>>>>> > the music industry :) >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >> On 20/10/2014, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >> internet music wankers (tm) >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> "but i wouldnt discover things if i didnt copy them at first" >>>>>>>>>> is the most >>>>>>>>>> >> 80s argument i know of. hey we have things like youtube and >>>>>>>>>> spotify in the >>>>>>>>>> >> 2000s, hope you'll join us here, connor.. >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >>> On 13 Oct 2014, at 09:13, Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> im bad with ratios and whatnots so i would just go there to >>>>>>>>>> find comments >>>>>>>>>> >>> on my own releases. >>>>>>>>>> >>> that's what i used what.cd for, i think. >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> On 13 October 2014 08:24, Connor Higgins < >>>>>>>>>> connor1higgins@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> >>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>> Still ethically shaky regardless of accepting that it as such. >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Sham Beam < >>>>>>>>>> sham.beam@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>> it's only a quagmire if you don't want to accept piracy is >>>>>>>>>> disrespectful. >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> On 10/13/2014 3:22 PM, Connor Higgins wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>> If it's anything like what.cd <http://what.cd>, just make >>>>>>>>>> sure to be >>>>>>>>>> >>> picky in your selections and seed generously. No need to fill >>>>>>>>>> requests >>>>>>>>>> >>> or upload unless you're going overboard with your "purchases". >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> If this ends up turning into one of those rehashed >>>>>>>>>> discussions on the >>>>>>>>>> >>> merits and moral qualms associated with pirating music, then >>>>>>>>>> here are my >>>>>>>>>> >>> two cents: I wouldn't know 2/3's of the artists I currently >>>>>>>>>> support >>>>>>>>>> >>> monetarily if I hadn't nicked some of their work illegally. >>>>>>>>>> Do the ends >>>>>>>>>> >>> justify the means? How should I know? Let the ethicists in >>>>>>>>>> their ivory >>>>>>>>>> >>> towers navigate that quagmire. I just listen to music. >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Sam Loschl < >>>>>>>>>> watercat1996@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> >>> <mailto:watercat1996@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> anybody on waffles? just got an invite, looking for >>>>>>>>>> friends or any >>>>>>>>>> >>> advice you'd have for a novice. first private tracker i've >>>>>>>>>> had the >>>>>>>>>> >>> opportunity to join >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> sam` >>>>>>>>>> >>> 808cat >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>> Sham Beam >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>>>>> > _____________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> > Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >>>>>>>>>> > _____________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> > noise I make: >>>>>>>>>> > http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >>>>>>>>>> > http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > noise I like: >>>>>>>>>> > http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > sites I run: >>>>>>>>>> > http://www.ctran.co.uk >>>>>>>>>> > http://o-fu-online.net >>>>>>>>>> > ------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> _____________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >>>>>>>>> _____________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> noise I make: >>>>>>>>> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >>>>>>>>> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> noise I like: >>>>>>>>> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> sites I run: >>>>>>>>> http://www.ctran.co.uk >>>>>>>>> http://o-fu-online.net >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> 22tape/jared dunne >>>> listen <http://22tape.com> >>>> >>> >>> >>
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