Totally with you, Nat. Irresponsible name.
Keep it up.
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On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 11:18 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:
quoted 194 lines "but maybe we're being "hypersensitive". sigh."?!
> "but maybe we're being "hypersensitive". sigh."?!
>
>
> Sorry, but no way.
>
>
> Beatwife?
>
> Bullshit name.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Mauro <lavaramano@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 9:48 PM
> *To:* nat hawks
> *Cc:* 22tape; idm@hyperreal.org; psycosyin
> *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast
>
> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 10:15 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello Mauro!
> >
> >
> > Thanks for jumping in.
> >
> >
> > To clarify, I should have been more careful with my wording. "Hate
> speech"
> > obviously has its own, specific, (now legal) definition. What I meant to
> > say was just that "there is hate in these words."
> >
>
> each word individually have their own meaning, but 2+2=... so, yes. i
> agree.
>
> >
> > I'd also like to agree with your criticism on my "men do x" statement.
> > You're right. I was feeling frustrated in the moment that I felt a
> sense of
> > traditional male values creeping in (though it could have just been me
> > feeling sensitive at the time). [in my case it would more be a "real men
> > cry" argument]
> >
>
> don't worry. that's why i asked to take a break. in the heat of the
> moment / out of frustration we end up saying things we don't fully
> agree.
>
> >
> > In terms of making assumptions about someone's intentions behind, say, a
> > group name... it's an interesting debate. Personally, in this case I
> feel
> > like there is basically zero gray area though.
> >
>
> i don't *really* know why the musician choose those words. i mean, he
> could have chosen "rimjob" as an alias but he didn't. and it would
> have been the same since he would be "working with the rim of the
> snare" or some bs like that. right?
>
> i agree with you that being naive and letting these things go through
> are invisibilizing violence towards a pretty specific group of people.
> but maybe we're being "hypersensitive". sigh.
>
> > ________________________________
> > From: Mauro <lavaramano@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 9:00 PM
> > To: 22tape
> > Cc: nat hawks; idm@hyperreal.org; psycosyin
> > Subject: Re: beatwife podcast
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:43 PM, 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Yeah, they’re both victims of sexual assault... so no safe privilege
> here.
> >>
> >
> > hi. instead of dismissing what nat is saying. we could take a step
> > outside of this thread and think about it for a moment.
> > on one hand (with hanlon's razor in hand) we can't directly attribute
> > that beatwife is spreading hate-speech.
> > on the other hand, we can't either give the benefit of the doubt to
> > naming things like this (not just beatwife, but goat whore, stage 4
> > cancer, prostitute disfigurement also. to name a few).
> >
> > nat: i'd like to point out that "real men do x" is a bit silly,
> > because you're forcing men to act in a certain way (ie: real men don't
> > cry.) to avoid seeing them as less-than-a-man (i'll leave the blank
> > space to be filled in). and i'll just stop typing here to avoid being
> > seen as a sjw.
> >
> > either way, i'm really happy that this kind of discussion are taking
> > place (it means that something a revision because it got out-dated).
> > also, no godwin's law so far !
> >
> >
> >> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 6:27 PM nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> And they are correct in that regards!!! You are right. But, I do
> think
> >>> women need protecting because currently in our world they are not
> >>> protected
> >>> and they are being disproportionately hurt.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Something to consider: sometimes it is from (no assumptions of your
> >>> family) a place of safe privilege where we can make such statements.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: 22tape <22tape@gmail.com>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 8:17 PM
> >>>
> >>> To: nat hawks
> >>> Cc: idm@hyperreal.org; psycosyin
> >>> Subject: Re: beatwife podcast
> >>> I’m actually sitting here with my mom and sister (who are both
> feminists)
> >>> having a cup of coffee talking about fisting. They are not offended.
> They
> >>> actually think this whole thread is hilarious. Idealogues are
> hilarious!
> >>> They think that your heart is in the right place, but they also think
> >>> that
> >>> men who view women as monolithic creatures who need protecting are
> sorely
> >>> mislead.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 6:08 PM nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 22tape, imagine what a female would feel reading your last post.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> A female who is trying to learn more about a male-dominated genre of
> >>> music
> >>> she loves? Making idm herself.
> >>>
> >>> She would be rightfully disgusted. "fist" (while an accepted
> consensual
> >>> act) connotes violence without context.
> >>>
> >>> sexual violence.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: 22tape <22tape@gmail.com>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 8:04 PM
> >>> To: nat hawks
> >>> Cc: idm@hyperreal.org; psycosyin
> >>> Subject: Re: beatwife podcast
> >>>
> >>> What if it’s a female fisting another female?
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 5:52 PM nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Beatwife=beat wife. Period.
> >>> 2. Skinny Puppy isn't a great example, but I hear you. Someone
> mentioned
> >>> Goat Whore. Personally, I think that is a vile band name that
> >>> perpetuates
> >>> the abuse of women.
> >>> 3. Fisted Sister=perpetuates abuse against women.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> > On Mar 25, 2018, at 6:41 PM, psycosyin <psycosyin@mi.rr.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > He isn't saying anything literally about beating one's wife, it's
> just
> >>> > a
> >>> > word with no context attached, as far as I know. There is a band
> >>> > named
> >>> > Skinny Puppy, they aren't saying "you should starve your baby dog".
> >>> >
> >>> > I guess my dream of starting a hair metal cover band named Fisted
> >>> > Sister
> >>> > wouldn't go over well around here.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > <RAW>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> 22tape/jared dunne
> >>> listen
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> 22tape/jared dunne
> >>> listen
> >>
> >> --
> >> 22tape/jared dunne
> >> listen
>