Hey Guys,
Funny you refer to this color Clint, I just finished Black - The History of
a Color
<
https://www.amazon.fr/Black-History-Color-Michel-Pastoureau/dp/069113930X> by
this french academic, Michel Pastoureau, whose work is dedicated to the
social history of colors, symbols and heraldic in the Middle Ages. This
color is literally named 'goose poop' in french (caca d'oie). He mentioned
in the book that this color was very trendy to wear in France around the
last weeks of 1751, and that it was called 'dolphin poop' (caca dauphin),
in honor of the dolphin (first born and heir to the king), despite the fact
that it was perceived as the ugliest through the Middle Ages. Funny cover
art... :)
B.
2016-10-04 20:04 GMT+02:00 Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com>:
quoted 224 lines also this lol
> also this lol
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2016/jun/08/stylewatch-pantone-448c-
> ugliest-colour-world-opaque-couche-australian-smokers-fashion
> https://www.amazon.com/Tri-Repetae-Autechre/dp/B000003RHB
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>
> Clint Anderson
> Systems Engineer
> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Chris Taylor <christaylor415@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Gotcha. And yeah that's right on about autonomous music.
>>
>> What's interesting is how listeners perceive "generative" music as being
>> worthless/effortless (something fairly popular to say about Confeld/Draft
>> era Ae) due to the labor being hard to perceive in the music itself.
>>
>> Same thing re: live performance, a live electronic music act is best when
>> they "do" the most stuff.
>>
>> It's a very 1:1 ratio between labor and value.
>>
>> *Expand on this idea until you've reached an undergraduate thesis*
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 4, 2016, Charles Terhune <crtdot@icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, that's more like it. It's not truly autonomous.
>>>
>>> I'll have to re-read that interview.
>>>
>>> And I was kidding when I said it was BS. And I kind of agree with Ae
>>> when the talk about the autonomous aspect. The machines will never truly
>>> create their own music until they do it from beginning to end free from
>>> human influence or even human music theory.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Chris Taylor <christaylor415@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ah I see what you mean now
>>>
>>> - they don't think that period of their music was bullshit (how I read
>>> it), they just think push against the idea that "generative music" is
>>> autonomous because it still relies on parameters designed by humans
>>>
>>> they might've talked about this in the Resident Advisor interview, at
>>> work so I can't look it up to confirm
>>>
>>> https://www.residentadvisor.net/features/2756
>>>
>>>
>>> what do you mean when you say you think "generative music is BS"?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Charles Terhune <crtdot@icloud.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Aaaaannd a little more here.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.autechre.info/press/grooves-10.html
>>>>
>>>> Still not finding the exact article I was thinking of. Maybe it's me
>>>> who thinks generative music is BS? :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:41 PM, Charles Terhune <crtdot@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There's some mention of generative music here:
>>>>
>>>> http://autechre.net.ua/en/interviews/interview16.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:40 PM, Charles Terhune <crtdot@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In an article in The Wire around the release of Confield maybe? I don't
>>>> remember the exact date. And I may be adding word to theirs BUT the gist of
>>>> what Sean (I believe it was he) said was that the entire idea of generative
>>>> music was somewhat BS because it always had a human being at its source
>>>> setting the parameters and boundaries. Their feeling was/is that there
>>>> could never be a truly generative music until it was entirely AI created
>>>> from start to finish.
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 10:21 PM, Chris Taylor <christaylor415@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "which even they said was bullshit mind you"
>>>>
>>>> Where did they say this about their generative work?
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 5:55 AM, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > yes! age of adz has some awesome stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> I really didn't like it at first but it's slowly been winning me over.
>>>>> :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/10/2016 3:36 PM, Bruno Gola wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 1:32 AM, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:sham.beam@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that totally resonates. I was listening to The Age of Adz from
>>>>>> Sufjan Stevens yesterday in the car and there were a few "fucking
>>>>>> hell, how
>>>>>> did he do that?" moments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yes! age of adz has some awesome stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/10/2016 4:30 AM, Clint Anderson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://autechre.net.ua/en/interviews/interview10.htm
>>>>>> <http://autechre.net.ua/en/interviews/interview10.htm>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "It's about sleight of hand, where you're revealing things
>>>>>> and then
>>>>>> pulling them back. It's that sort of dynamic. But I think
>>>>>> that's Hip
>>>>>> Hop: the whole attitude of wanting to do people's heads in a
>>>>>> little bit
>>>>>> but also give them something that they'll really appreciate
>>>>>> comes from
>>>>>> that - Mantronix to early Bomb Squad --- where there were
>>>>>> little
>>>>>> tricks
>>>>>> in there, and you knew the producer had stuck them in there
>>>>>> because he
>>>>>> knew it would do people's heads in. And it'd be like: fucking
>>>>>> hell, how
>>>>>> did he do that? Or, that's a totally mad thing to do with your
>>>>>> track.
>>>>>> But it didn't suffer because it wasn't. . ." Rob: "Wasn't a
>>>>>> showcase for
>>>>>> those ideas." Sean: "It was part of the flow and it worked.
>>>>>> That's it
>>>>>> really. That's how we've started describing it now."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I think a lot of people, when they're constructing complex
>>>>>> music, have
>>>>>> this idea that for something maddeningly complex to change
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> something else that's maddeningly complex you've got to do it
>>>>>> suddenly,"
>>>>>> says Sean. "But there are millions of ways you can do it,
>>>>>> because you
>>>>>> can have your entire track changing piece by piece as it
>>>>>> rotates, and
>>>>>> that's what we're into We like things like a puzzle where it's
>>>>>> revealing
>>>>>> itself and changing. And you can almost follow it, because it
>>>>>> works the
>>>>>> same pace as your brain works. The trick is not to get it to
>>>>>> work faster
>>>>>> or slower, but to get it in tune with yourself. And obviously
>>>>>> there are
>>>>>> some people who work faster than that, and they'll hear it
>>>>>> and think
>>>>>> this is boring, and there are people who work slower than
>>>>>> that, and
>>>>>> they'll think this is too much. For us it's the right pace."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clint Anderson
>>>>>> Systems Engineer
>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Clint Anderson
>>>>>> <clinta@gmail.com <mailto:clinta@gmail.com>
>>>>>> <mailto:clinta@gmail.com <mailto:clinta@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yeah its interesting i would almost say its a return to
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> classic style of the 'eternally unfolding secret tricks'
>>>>>> tracks they
>>>>>> used to do where halfway through you finally sort of more
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> less
>>>>>> figured out what they were doing to get whatever
>>>>>> effect/sound, and
>>>>>> then the second half was just that much more badass
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sham Beam
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Bruno Gola <brunogola@gmail.com <mailto:brunogola@gmail.com>>
>>>>>> http://bgo.la/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sham Beam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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