Gotcha. And yeah that's right on about autonomous music.
What's interesting is how listeners perceive "generative" music as being
worthless/effortless (something fairly popular to say about Confeld/Draft
era Ae) due to the labor being hard to perceive in the music itself.
Same thing re: live performance, a live electronic music act is best when
they "do" the most stuff.
It's a very 1:1 ratio between labor and value.
*Expand on this idea until you've reached an undergraduate thesis*
On Tuesday, October 4, 2016, Charles Terhune <crtdot@icloud.com> wrote:
quoted 201 lines Yeah, that's more like it. It's not truly autonomous.
> Yeah, that's more like it. It's not truly autonomous.
>
> I'll have to re-read that interview.
>
> And I was kidding when I said it was BS. And I kind of agree with Ae when
> the talk about the autonomous aspect. The machines will never truly create
> their own music until they do it from beginning to end free from human
> influence or even human music theory.
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Chris Taylor <christaylor415@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','christaylor415@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> ah I see what you mean now
>
> - they don't think that period of their music was bullshit (how I read
> it), they just think push against the idea that "generative music" is
> autonomous because it still relies on parameters designed by humans
>
> they might've talked about this in the Resident Advisor interview, at work
> so I can't look it up to confirm
>
> https://www.residentadvisor.net/features/2756
>
>
> what do you mean when you say you think "generative music is BS"?
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Charles Terhune <crtdot@icloud.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','crtdot@icloud.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Aaaaannd a little more here.
>>
>> http://www.autechre.info/press/grooves-10.html
>>
>> Still not finding the exact article I was thinking of. Maybe it's me who
>> thinks generative music is BS? :)
>>
>>
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:41 PM, Charles Terhune <crtdot@icloud.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','crtdot@icloud.com');>> wrote:
>>
>> There's some mention of generative music here:
>>
>> http://autechre.net.ua/en/interviews/interview16.htm
>>
>>
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:40 PM, Charles Terhune <crtdot@icloud.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','crtdot@icloud.com');>> wrote:
>>
>> In an article in The Wire around the release of Confield maybe? I don't
>> remember the exact date. And I may be adding word to theirs BUT the gist of
>> what Sean (I believe it was he) said was that the entire idea of generative
>> music was somewhat BS because it always had a human being at its source
>> setting the parameters and boundaries. Their feeling was/is that there
>> could never be a truly generative music until it was entirely AI created
>> from start to finish.
>>
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 10:21 PM, Chris Taylor <christaylor415@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','christaylor415@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>> "which even they said was bullshit mind you"
>>
>> Where did they say this about their generative work?
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 5:55 AM, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sham.beam@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> > yes! age of adz has some awesome stuff.
>>>
>>> I really didn't like it at first but it's slowly been winning me over. :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/10/2016 3:36 PM, Bruno Gola wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 1:32 AM, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sham.beam@gmail.com');>
>>>> <mailto:sham.beam@gmail.com
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sham.beam@gmail.com');>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> that totally resonates. I was listening to The Age of Adz from
>>>> Sufjan Stevens yesterday in the car and there were a few "fucking
>>>> hell, how
>>>> did he do that?" moments.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes! age of adz has some awesome stuff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/10/2016 4:30 AM, Clint Anderson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://autechre.net.ua/en/interviews/interview10.htm
>>>> <http://autechre.net.ua/en/interviews/interview10.htm>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "It's about sleight of hand, where you're revealing things and
>>>> then
>>>> pulling them back. It's that sort of dynamic. But I think
>>>> that's Hip
>>>> Hop: the whole attitude of wanting to do people's heads in a
>>>> little bit
>>>> but also give them something that they'll really appreciate
>>>> comes from
>>>> that - Mantronix to early Bomb Squad --- where there were little
>>>> tricks
>>>> in there, and you knew the producer had stuck them in there
>>>> because he
>>>> knew it would do people's heads in. And it'd be like: fucking
>>>> hell, how
>>>> did he do that? Or, that's a totally mad thing to do with your
>>>> track.
>>>> But it didn't suffer because it wasn't. . ." Rob: "Wasn't a
>>>> showcase for
>>>> those ideas." Sean: "It was part of the flow and it worked.
>>>> That's it
>>>> really. That's how we've started describing it now."
>>>>
>>>> "I think a lot of people, when they're constructing complex
>>>> music, have
>>>> this idea that for something maddeningly complex to change into
>>>> something else that's maddeningly complex you've got to do it
>>>> suddenly,"
>>>> says Sean. "But there are millions of ways you can do it,
>>>> because you
>>>> can have your entire track changing piece by piece as it
>>>> rotates, and
>>>> that's what we're into We like things like a puzzle where it's
>>>> revealing
>>>> itself and changing. And you can almost follow it, because it
>>>> works the
>>>> same pace as your brain works. The trick is not to get it to
>>>> work faster
>>>> or slower, but to get it in tune with yourself. And obviously
>>>> there are
>>>> some people who work faster than that, and they'll hear it and
>>>> think
>>>> this is boring, and there are people who work slower than that,
>>>> and
>>>> they'll think this is too much. For us it's the right pace."
>>>>
>>>> Clint Anderson
>>>> Systems Engineer
>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Clint Anderson
>>>> <clinta@gmail.com
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','clinta@gmail.com');> <mailto:
>>>> clinta@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','clinta@gmail.com');>>
>>>> <mailto:clinta@gmail.com
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','clinta@gmail.com');> <mailto:
>>>> clinta@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','clinta@gmail.com');>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> yeah its interesting i would almost say its a return to
>>>> their
>>>> classic style of the 'eternally unfolding secret tricks'
>>>> tracks they
>>>> used to do where halfway through you finally sort of more or
>>>> less
>>>> figured out what they were doing to get whatever
>>>> effect/sound, and
>>>> then the second half was just that much more badass
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sham Beam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bruno Gola <brunogola@gmail.com
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','brunogola@gmail.com');> <mailto:
>>>> brunogola@gmail.com
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','brunogola@gmail.com');>>>
>>>> http://bgo.la/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sham Beam
>>>
>>>
>>>
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