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From:
Josh Davison
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Rjyan Kidwell
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Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:20:45 -0600 (CST)
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Re: [idm] anticon and hip-hop
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this is the first time i've ever had to immmediately reply to my own post and refute it but i just remembered that Mos Def was a rich kid -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Josh Davison wrote:
quoted 70 lines i think any objections to anticon's efforts should not be attributed to> i think any objections to anticon's efforts should not be attributed to > their skin color, but to their social class. > > The objections i hear mostly deal with the fact that they are a bunch of > over-internetted rich kids, who said "mummy, i want to play at hip-hop, > buy me a technics 1200 and a MPC2000" and then decided that they would > "revolutionize" it by making a web-site and a bunch of semi-experimental > tracks and getting alot of press. > > Now i don't know how much of this is true, I don't know much of anything > about Anticon aside from the fact that they got started putting out tracks > on the internet, which screams "rich kid" to me ... the race issue is at > least partially relevant, as there are more rich white kids than rich > black kids ... > > at any rate, i think Outkast is doing a better job of revolutionizing > hip-hop than anticon (for better or worse) and Andre is a much better > dresser than any of those white kids :) > > josh > > -- > String Theory : Digital Music for Humans > http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi > > > On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Rjyan Kidwell wrote: > > > > i fully agree with their sentiment > > > that hip-hop needs to be pushed in new directions and i appreciate their > > > efforts to do so > > > > now, get me straight here: i'm saying white kids shouldn't listen to > > hip-hop, because they all should. nor am i saying white kids shouldn't make > > hip-hop or involve themselves in hip-hop culture. what i'm asking is: is a > > crew of white kids really qualified to make generalizations about what > > hip-hop needs to do and not do? > > "OK, Jay-Z, that's all nice and good what you do, but we're here and we're > > going to make hip-hop advanced now. Seeya." > > > > I guess I don't really have a solid opinion on Anticon, but I've encountered > > quite a few of their rabid fans -- kids who don't actively listen to hip-hop > > and/or buy new hip-hop records who are all too ready to say that Anticon is > > the "best thing in hip-hop". Meaning, I guess, that Anticon is better than > > Nelly or Shaggy or whatever is on MTV. It seriously seems like some people > > think that grabbing some Anticon mp3s off Napster makes you absolved of > > having to listen to any other hip-hop music. "Oh, I only listen to advanced > > hip-hop. But I have some Cash Money mp3s because they're funny." > > > > I hate to be the one that brings up racial issues here, but they're not > > going away if you stick your head in the sand. Or if you stick your head in > > the internet. > > > > > > > > -rk > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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