--- edhall@weirdnoise.com wrote:
<<On the contrary: calling something just "garbage"
attempts to deny that someone else might plausibly
like it, and suggests that the author can't bear the
thought that what he or she dislikes may be pleasing
to someone else.>>
So are you saying Ed that artists never release
"garbage"?
I have known many fine artists to have a total crap
release from time to time. I sure there are many
artists that just release something even they feel
isn't worthy just to get a paycheck. I can think of
producers that put out great music, that often do
shite remixes.
Calling something garbage DOES NOT attempt to deny
anyone anything. It's merely stating that you DO NOT
LIKE the release in any way. One man's garbage could
be another's gem. It's still garbage to you, so why
not say it.
<<It matters little to me that you or Adam don't like
Ischemic Folks. I've spent most of my life listening
to and enjoying music that most people don't appear to
like, and I'm hardly insecure about it.>>
I wasn't dissing any Schematic artists or releases,
merely speaking in principle about being honest.
quoted 3 lines : Truthful opinions, PLEASE.
> : Truthful opinions, PLEASE.
>
> Saying you can't stand something is an opinion.
No fucking shit!!! How many times does that have to be
said on this list, must be in the thousands.
quoted 1 line Saying it is garbage is an attempt to state an
> Saying it is garbage is an attempt to state an
opinion as a fact.
"No fucking shit!!! How many times does that have to
be said on this list, must be in the thousands."
quoted 1 line hope that's not too subtle a difference for you.
> hope that's not too subtle a difference for you.
Duuhh? I don't think any human on the planet is all
knowing and possesses 100% truth. All we can do is
express opinions.
You wouldn't think that every time someone has an
opinion that someone would not have to try and
distinguish opinion from fact etc. etc. etc.
Doesn't it feel like that movie "Groundhog day".
Every fucking day you have to say yes that's an
opinion not a universal truth. Shouldn't that be
fucking obvious.
<<Nor do I expect you'll have trouble understanding
why the term "truthful opinion" is an oxymoron--I
suspect that what you meant to say was "honest
opinion," and would never mistake an opinion for a
statement of truth.>>
So what do you want? Some "truthful opinion clause"
under every email. "The opinions expressed do not
necessarily represent everyone on the list, nor are
they to be treated like the word of God."
Maybe this should be added to every post on the list.
Why is it only when you say you DON'T like something,
that people have to remind you of the OBVIOUS? I don't
see people saying "well you do know that is only your
opinion" if they LIKE something.
Maybe for all of the "slower people" that have
problems distinguishing opinions from non-opinions
should start asking their parents for help.
quoted 5 lines : If you hate something, say so, maybe say something
> : If you hate something, say so, maybe say something
> to
> : support your feelings...like the production
> quality is
> : shite, or whatever.
<<I've no problem at all with this--especially if you
give reasons for your dislike. Bad reviews can be
just
as useful as good ones when they are clear about their
criteria. If someone criticizes music as "a bunch of
rapid-fire, souless bleeps" then there is a good
chance that I might like it, for example. If they
simply say "it stinks," then they've told me nothing
useful other than that they simply didn't care enough
to attempt a bit of introspection and make an effort
to express themselves.>>
Oh my
quoted 4 lines : You would think that people are grown up enough to
> : You would think that people are grown up enough to
> : discuss difference of opinions on this list. But
> after
> : the whole PLUR thread, I may be proven wrong
<<You'd think that people would be grown up enough to
discuss differences of opinion without calling each
other "morons.">>
Actually I don't know if I have ever called someone a
name (directly) when it comes to a difference of
opinion. However, IF I feel the quality of many of
the posts are on a "moronic/imbecile level", I have
might say something in general, not referring to any
particular person. Ta ta
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