On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:01:35 -0700, edhall@weirdnoise.com wrote:
quoted 4 lines On the contrary: calling something just "garbage" attempts
>On the contrary: calling something just "garbage" attempts
>to deny that someone else might plausibly like it, and
>suggests that the author can't bear the thought that what
>he or she dislikes may be pleasing to someone else. It
not to me. to me, calling something garbage when it is in fact music
is called using a metaphor. it represents the utmost in creativity
and should be respected as the sort of thing this list is all about
[note: this is tongue-in-cheek. take heed.]
anyway, i don't think it means that i couldn't "bear the thought" of
other people enjoying it, i think it means merely that i didn't enjoy
it and i wouldn't expect other people too. i mean, come on, who
hasn't enjoyed someone else's garbage once in a while? "one man's
garbage is another man's gold" and all that
quoted 4 lines matters little to me that you or Adam don't like Ischemic
>matters little to me that you or Adam don't like Ischemic
>Folks. I've spent most of my life listening to and enjoying
>music that most people don't appear to like, and I'm hardly
>insecure about it.
good, so stop worrying about me saying things like "garbage" and
"fizz" and "yoko ono"
quoted 2 lines Saying you can't stand something is an opinion. Saying it
>Saying you can't stand something is an opinion. Saying it
>is garbage is an attempt to state an opinion as a fact.
no, it's a metaphor. anyways, everything anyone ever says is really
just a statement of opinion. hasn't quantum physics taught us
anything? we all really only believe we know the things we know. so
even if i said "i got ischemic folks on CD" you could only take my
word for it. you might not believe me, but then that's you're
perogative. hey, that sounds like how i think you should take my
"it's garbage" statement... you might not believe/agree with me, and
that's fine. if everyone agreed with me all the time i'd stop
respecting them.
quoted 5 lines hope that's not too subtle a difference for you. Nor do
>hope that's not too subtle a difference for you. Nor do
>I expect you'll have trouble understanding why the term
>"truthful opinion" is an oxymoron--I suspect that what you
>meant to say was "honest opinion," and would never mistake
>an opinion for a statement of truth.
i can't repond for the other guy but yeah, "honest opinion" sounds
right. even if we were saying "truthful facts," though, i'd have to
pull out my pickyness and say that's not possible.
quoted 7 lines : If you hate something, say so, maybe say something to
>: If you hate something, say so, maybe say something to
>: support your feelings...like the production quality is
>: shite, or whatever.
>
>I've no problem at all with this--especially if you give
>reasons for your dislike. Bad reviews can be just as useful
>as good ones when they are clear about their criteria. If
what if I said "it was garbage because it wasn't to my taste?" that
is clear about the criteria: the criteria were my tastes. that's all
some of us (well me anyway) can say about what we hear. I agree,
it's better to make more of an effort, but [important point coming
up] these statements do not always come up in the context of a
review. my garbage statement, for example, was not part of a review.
it was a comment related to other issues. i didn't feel a need to
go on endlessly about it, as i seem to be doing about this for no
reason right now... sorry
to finish: this list isn't moderated, i like it that way. you don't
have to worry about everything i say, so if i say something you don't
like, please ignore it. you said yourself you're not insecure and
don't care what others think, so don't worry about what i think. if
you don't want to. use your mind. otherwise, i've learned my
lesson; from now on i'll only post comments like "IMHO [makes you
know it's an opinion, and humble at that], Ischemic Strokes is to my
ears as smelly garbage is to my nose [an analogy, not a confusing
metaphor], and by that I mean I didn't like listening to it because
it didn't suit my tastes [clears up everything for those who didn't
get the analogy]."
And even then I'll have to say something about "bleep this" or
"screech that" or "everything you youngsters listen to is just noise
anyway" so you will really understand where I'm coming from. and
that was another joke, i'm only 22 for god's sake...
-adam
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Adam Piontek [
http://www.tcinternet.net/users/damek/]
ICQ: 3456339 [damek@earthling.net]
... Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.
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